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Whew, I was afraid that this might be Tom...
« on: August 21, 2012, 01:06:15 AM »

A former Marine involuntarily detained for psychiatric evaluation for posting strident anti-government messages...

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/20/outcry-after-military-veteran-detained-for-anti-government-facebook-posts/#ixzz249q65klp


A former Marine involuntarily detained for psychiatric evaluation for posting strident anti-government messages on Facebook has received an outpouring of support from people who say authorities are trampling on his First Amendment rights.

Brandon J. Raub, 26, has been in custody since FBI, Secret Service agents and police in Virginia's Chesterfield County questioned him Thursday evening about what they said were ominous posts talking about a coming revolution. In one message earlier this month according to authorities, Raub wrote: "Sharpen my axe; I'm here to sever heads."

Police -- acting under a state law that allows emergency, temporary psychiatric commitments upon the recommendation of a mental health professional -- took Raub to the John Randolph Medical Center in Hopewell. He was not charged with any crime.

A Virginia-based civil liberties group, The Rutherford Institute, dispatched one of its attorneys to the hospital to represent Raub at a hearing Monday. A judge ordered Raub detained for another month, Rutherford executive director John Whitehead said.

"For government officials to not only arrest Brandon Raub for doing nothing more than exercising his First Amendment rights but to actually force him to undergo psychological evaluations and detain him against his will goes against every constitutional principle this country was founded upon," Whitehead said.

Raub's mother, Cathleen Thomas, said by telephone that the government had overstepped its bounds.

"The bottom line is his freedom of speech has been violated," she said.

Thomas said her son, who served tours as a combat engineer in Iraq and Afghanistan, is "concerned about all the wars we've experienced" and believes the U.S. government was complicit in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. One of his Facebook posts, she said, pictured the gaping hole in the Pentagon and asked "where's the plane?"

Whitehead said he found nothing alarming in Raub's social media commentaries. "The posts I read that supposedly were of concern were libertarian-type posts I see all the time," he said.

The big concern, Whitehead said, is whether government officials are monitoring citizens' private Facebook pages and detaining people with whom they disagree.

Dee Rybiski, an FBI spokeswoman in Richmond, said there was no Facebook snooping by her agency.

"We received quite a few complaints about what were perceived as threatening posts," she said. "Given the circumstances with the things that have gone on in the country with some of these mass shootings, it would be horrible for law enforcement not to pay attention to complaints."

Whitehead said some of the posts in question were made on a closed Facebook page that Raub had recently created so he questioned whether anyone from the public would have complained about them.

"Support Brandon Raub" Facebook pages have drawn significant interest, and other Internet sites had numerous comments from people outraged by the veteran's detention.

Raub's supporters characterized the detention as an arrest, complaining he was handcuffed and whisked away in a police cruiser without being served a warrant or read his rights. But authorities say it wasn't an arrest because Raub doesn't face criminal charges.

Col. Thierry Dupuis, the county police chief, said Raub was taken into custody upon the recommendation of mental health crisis intervention workers. He said the action was taken under the state's emergency custody statute, which allows a magistrate to order the civil detention and psychiatric evaluation of a person who is considered potentially dangerous.

He said Raub was handcuffed because he resisted officers' attempts to take him into custody.


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Re: Whew, I was afraid that this might be Tom...
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2012, 06:07:28 AM »
The Russkies used to pull this crap - you complain about us? You must be crazy!!

I've been following this, and a poster on another forum did a good analysis of his FB postings. Her perceived threat level was zero, but according to DHS standards, he probably ran 5-9 on a 10-point scale.

We've talked here about how the Bill of Rights is all but dead. This is another good demonstration of that fact.
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Re: Whew, I was afraid that this might be Tom...
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2012, 08:00:30 AM »
Nope, I'm still here.
There are funny noises on my phone though.  ;D

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Re: Whew, I was afraid that this might be Tom...
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2012, 10:01:02 AM »
Tom was also the first person to come to mind when I saw the article.   Copied the link in case no one posted it yet...

Not that it should make any difference in how this Marine was wronged, but I don't think Tom is a big Facebook enthusiast.
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Re: Whew, I was afraid that this might be Tom...
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2012, 10:32:21 AM »
Nah, I only have an FB account to play Jeopardy on line.

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Re: Whew, I was afraid that this might be Tom...
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Re: Whew, I was afraid that this might be Tom...
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2012, 04:17:43 PM »
According to Drudge, Judge ordered him "held" for another 30 days....He has NOT been charged with a crime.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/08/21/military-vet-detained-for-psych-evaluation-over-anti-government-facebook-posts/

snip,..

Brandon J. Raub, 26, has been in custody since FBI and Secret Service agents and Chesterfield County police questioned him Thursday evening about what they considered ominous posts talking of a coming revolution. In one message earlier this month, Raub wrote: “Sharpen my axe; I’m here to sever heads.”

Police — acting under a state law that allows emergency, temporary psychiatric commitments upon the recommendation of a mental health professional — took Raub to the John Randolph Medical Center in Hopewell. He was not charged with any crime.

The Rutherford Institute, a Charlottesville-based civil liberties group, sent one of its attorneys to the hospital to represent Raub at a hearing Monday. A judge ordered Raub detained for another month, Rutherford executive director John Whitehead said.

*****

Lots more specifics at link....

Guess those remarks about good Kentucky Hemp and tall old trees are now going to send me to the funny farm for an eval.? :-\

That's why I don't FB.



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Re: Whew, I was afraid that this might be Tom...
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2012, 04:40:49 PM »
According to Drudge, Judge ordered him "held" for another 30 days....He has NOT been charged with a crime.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/08/21/military-vet-detained-for-psych-evaluation-over-anti-government-facebook-posts/

snip,..

Brandon J. Raub, 26, has been in custody since FBI and Secret Service agents and Chesterfield County police questioned him Thursday evening about what they considered ominous posts talking of a coming revolution. In one message earlier this month, Raub wrote: “Sharpen my axe; I’m here to sever heads.”

Police — acting under a state law that allows emergency, temporary psychiatric commitments upon the recommendation of a mental health professional — took Raub to the John Randolph Medical Center in Hopewell. He was not charged with any crime.

The Rutherford Institute, a Charlottesville-based civil liberties group, sent one of its attorneys to the hospital to represent Raub at a hearing Monday. A judge ordered Raub detained for another month, Rutherford executive director John Whitehead said.

*****

Lots more specifics at link....

Guess those remarks about good Kentucky Hemp and tall old trees are now going to send me to the funny farm for an eval.? :-\

That's why I don't FB.





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"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
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Re: Whew, I was afraid that this might be Tom...
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2012, 07:24:19 PM »
In one message earlier this month, Raub wrote: “Sharpen my axe; I’m here to sever heads.”

Sounds like lyrics to a song...  ??? 

Maybe the posts don't translate well, I dunno.  But what about the 4th and 5th Amendments?  How can a judge order someone detained without charges or did I miss it?
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Re: Whew, I was afraid that this might be Tom...
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2012, 09:59:21 PM »
A judge can adjudicate anyone they deem "questionably fit".

From Drudge: "Police — acting under a state law that allows emergency, temporary psychiatric commitments upon the recommendation of a mental health professional."

Pretty soon we'll ALL be in a rubber room! I just hope they'll let us bring "The Corner".    ;D
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Re: Whew, I was afraid that this might be Tom...
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2012, 01:32:50 AM »
There has to be more to this story.
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