So you say you like the Lee Enfield action?

[tombogan03884]

Asking it differently:
1) If you had $600 for a bolt gun, you'd get it in 7.62x39mm?
2) If you had $600 for a 7.62x39mm gun, you'd get a bolt gun?

1) No
2)No
If I were going to buy an Enfield in .308 I would get an Ishy and a case + of ammo for the same money or less.

[MAUSERMAN]

The guns look great and i really like enfields. But in 7.62x39 I would rather get a CZ carbine in 7.62x39, and the plus side is the Mauser action.

[philw]

Asking it differently:
1) If you had $600 for a bolt gun, you'd get it in 7.62x39mm?

if I all ready had a 308  and it was "for something different"  then yep  I would

2) If you had $600 for a 7.62x39mm gun, you'd get a bolt gun?

Yep   caus it is all I can have   
I would love to get an SKK or something like that however I am not allowed to  due to me not being able to justify owning one to the FaR

[TAB]

intresting, but I would want it in something other then 7.62 x 39.  now 260 rem or 243 win...

[Badgersmilk]

Mauserman,

I've come accross the CZ / Remington in stores to.  The Remington is the nicer of the 2 in my opinion because they engrave the stock.  CZ makes them both though.  Dont let an american name fool anybody into thinking your getting an american product!!!
Neither of them are anywhere near the same ball park as the IAI rifle for quality.  The IAI rifle I saw blew away anything I've seen under $1200 in the last five years or so for build quality & fit and finish.  The action "smoothness" and fit is very impressive!

For those that dont like 7.62X39 (Madness I tell you!), IAI makes .308's to. With only a thousand IAI's being hand fitted together and what not each year...  You wont see 10 others at the range!

[Sponsor]

[TAB]

7.62x39 is not exactly known for being accurate...It can be hand loaded to imporve it, but several other chamberings, you can go down to the local gun shop and buy great ammo for it.  The best accuracy I've ever seen out of 7.62x39 with comm'l ammo was around 3 moa.  that just does not cut it for me.  More so when I can buy cheap 30.06 or 308 corloks and get ~1.5 moa. 

[Badgersmilk]

The "not so accurate" reputation 7.62x39 has isnt anything to do with the caliber.  Its the guns and ammo we all read about it being used in.  AK's and SKS's were never intended to be what we call "accurate".  Fit and finish numbers are left WAY open on those guns to allow them to shoot reliably dirty.  Many say they have "loose tolerances", this typically isnt the case at all (depending on manufacture of course).  Those guns were designed to have loose fitting parts though.  Not a tolerance issue.  But NOT beneficial to accuracy!   Its a necesary trade off.

Then the caliber gets a bad reputation because everybody in this country thats shot it including magazine reviewers are shooting surplus ammo or the cheapest crap they can get a thousand rounds of.

The caliber is fine, if applied to a quality rifle with quality ammo there is little it wont do.  Iraqis issue it to designated "sharpshooters" in long barrel, high tolerance rifles.

HECK no I wouldnt want it as a sniper...  But for most anything else I can think of, YOU BET!

My friend tricked out a high dollar rifle in Ruger .204, and when they were the hot new thing a .17 rim fire.  Both amazing putting holes in paper!!!  He was pretty red faced when I watched him shoot a crow square in the chest and it flew away one day.  I remind him of it frequently just for fun

Nothing man made is perfect.  You try to match up ammo and rifle to the application, but it's all a comprimise at some point.

[TAB]

I was speaking of it from bolt guns.   I don't know about the ammo you can get down under, but here it unless you want to spend >$2 a shot, your going to get crap.  Remington corloks in 30-30 are about 13/20 and 30-06 is around 17/20.

even the federal gold medal match 308 with seirra match kings is only ~1.50/ shot.


hell you can buy lupua 308 for less then $2/ shot.

[Badgersmilk]

I handload for everything but occasional plinking and some practice.  WAY better than the best mass produced stuff.  AND cheaper per round than even the low grade junk!

EVERYBODY should "roll their own!"  Only way you'll really find out how accurate your weapons can be!

It'd be hard to do the exact math, but I'm guessing the 7.62X39, .308, and .44 mag stuff I hand load runs around .30 cents per round or so for more accuracy, higher quality bullets (more effective), more reliable ammo than anything you'll ever get from any store.

Look into a reloading kit on Midway if they ever manage to catch up and get stuff back in stock.  Lots of fun developing your own rounds to perfectly suit each of your guns and its uses!!!   MUCH cheaper in the long run to!  Especially if they manage to pass the .05 cent per round tax's they keep talking about!

[TAB]

it depends, The federal goldmedal mathc, its pretty much a wash.  When your paying $.50-.75 per bullet, add in powder primers and case life.  your right at the retail price.  Granted you can tweak with hand loads.  My point is when you compare identical loads, you would be shocked at how close prices can become.  Up until a year ago, 9MM win white box was actually cheaper to buy it then it was to recreate the load. 

I also disagree with the every one needs to roll thier own.  Far to many idiots out there.  Every one on this forum knows that guy... you know the one where he owns guns, but shouldn't.