Tactical Rifle & Carbine

[Badgersmilk]

Chrysler is owned by Cerberus (richest company on gods green earth!!!), yet they hit me and you (taxpayers / America's chumps) up for BILLIONS of dollars out of our pockets because they just dont feel like paying their bills??? 

Ahhh, politics at their finest!

[Badgersmilk]

on the topic of the .308, and .338 calibers...

CHECK THIS OUT!  http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2009/04/01/us-army-team-tests-radical-new-dimpled-bullet/






You caught the date on that didn't you?

[Ping]

Bingo Badgersmilk.

[fightingquaker13]

Nice kit. I still need to find a nice bolt action rifle. How do you like that DPMS .308? That is what is on my wishlist or one in .338 Lapua.

If you're right handed and not going to trick it out, get a Savage. Everything I've read and my friends who own them say that it is the most accurate  out of the box rifle for anything close to the price, free floating barrel, very nice trigger etc. If you're a lefy I'm like badger with an M77, great rifle, but a bit of a thumper because of the light weight. This doesn't bother me because I don't shoot it very heavily, and for hunting I like the light weight, but if you plan to, its something to consider.
fighingQuaker13 

[Badgersmilk]

I go with what fightingquaker13 said.  If you want a low cost out of the box "good shooter"...  Savage. 

If you want something more unique that you dont mind customizing a little...  The options are endless! 

I like the M77 because the Mauser type action, its Stainless steel, the "Target" model I've got came with a 24" medium heavy barrel with a target crown, factory free floated and laminated stock, even a great fully adjustable two stage trigger.  It weighs in at 12.5 pounds equipped as in the picture...  So dont worry if recoil bothers you.  Most important though, it's supremely accurate!

The problem many find with M77's.  Consistancy in quailty (Ruger's well know for over using their tooling).  Once you find the model you want pick through half a dozen guns, go to different dealers and look though theirs to!  Find the very best one, and if your REALLY picky have the action blueprinted and stock cut to fit you.  When Ruger's using new tooling their work is outstanding!  You'll love it!

Every shooting range you find will have half a dozen guys shooting Rem. 700's.  Nothing here that a new barrel, trigger, blueprinting, and stock work wont fix.  NOW your getting seriously spendy.  And seriously INTERESTING!  If you've gone this far...  Once again, your options are endless!  FULL CUSTOM BUILD!   NICE!  I wanna see porn pictures!   The high end stuff's pretty!

If you can find an old Rem. that isnt shot out I hear LOTS of good stuff.  Lots of aftermarket potental too.

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[fightingquaker13]

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As far as my reccomendation of the savage for a good bolt action goes, here is a new review from gunblast. Their video leaves a bit to be desired but the written reviews are thorough and informative. I would check this one out. http://www.gunblast.com/Savage-111FCNS.htm
FQ13

[Badgersmilk]

That's a sweet rifle!  All the right goodies out of the box.  And I believe Savage is one of the few companies not yet owned by the devil.  

When shopping keep in mind heavy bull barrels are hype and a marketing tool (I say this even though I own a few myself).  Their purpose is to help keep zero from shifting as barrel temperature changes from either weather or repeated shots.  If your rifle's noteably effected by heat take it to be cryo treated.  It stress relieves the barrel giving the same effect as the big bull barrel (less warpage from heat).  May not look as neat, but you dont have to lug around all the extra weight for nothing.  It's MUCH cheaper, and I KNOW it works, I've done it and seen the change in my gun.  It costs me $50 bucks at a local machine shop I know the people at.  DEAL!

[alfsauve]

If you don't mind buying European, then Tikka T3s have sweet actions.  There trigger pulls are crisper and cleaner than Savage (or I just go lucky with mine).     Also the CZs are nice as well. 

[Ping]

Thanks FQ, the Savage is one nice looking rifle.

[Badgersmilk]

All the members to this forum and nobody's maintaining a readiness bag...        

Not sure if I'll ever completely trust them, but I'll admit adding an AR to my collection almost solely based on the teachings of Mossad Ayoob and his knowledge.  Even he says AR's are a rifle that "craps where it eats.".  Brilliant choice of words . 

Regardless what your opinions may be on AR's.  There are damn few that dont have a lot to learn from Mr. Ayoob.  Look him up on-line.  http://www.backwoodshome.com/ayoob_index.html