You Tube Star "FPS Russia" Home & Office Raided.

[billt]

http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/atf-agents-raid-home-of-fpsrussias-kyle-myers/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=April%202%202013%20Daily%20Newswire%20(1)&utm_content=

"Nearly 40 law enforcement officers consisting of local deputies, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, and agents from the U.S. Bureau of Alochol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) flooded Myers’ home and office along his father’s home in Georgia........................ No arrests were made and no items are reported to have been confiscated from either from Myers’ or his father’s house."

More harassment.

[Jrlobo]

Notice how federal and state authorities work together to violate privacy. No call downtown for an interview? Just storm the house! No arrest; no confiscation. Obviously no proof of violation beforehand, just suspicions?

[JC5123]

Notice how federal and state authorities work together to violate privacy. No call downtown for an interview? Just storm the house! No arrest; no confiscation. Obviously no proof of violation beforehand, just suspicions?

I doubt it was even suspicions. More likely to me, is that this is a scare tactic designed to shut some people up. Take someone who is not TOO prominent, but still well known in the community. Push him around a little, and maybe the others will quiet down. Cover fire to get the enemies heads down, while you plan your next move.

[TAB]

its hard to know what happen.   it is sop for federal leo to enlist the local lea.   not every thing the atf does ins unjusifed.

[tombogan03884]

its hard to know what happen.   it is sop for federal leo to enlist the local lea.   not every thing the atf does ins unjusifed.

You mean it was OK for them to murder men, women, and children in Waco ?
Their job is to collect taxes .

[Sponsor]

[billt]

its hard to know what happen.   it is sop for federal leo to enlist the local lea.   not every thing the atf does ins unjusifed.

It isn't so much what they do, but rather how they do it. 40 LEO's involved? And they find nothing illegal. They "think" he might have illegally used explosives in his videos. They don't know now, and they didn't know before. That translates into nothing. If they have to give any information they found to a District Attorney to sift through, it means they didn't find a thing. All they can hope for now is a fishing expedition that's productive enough to get their bobber to sink.

 They did the same thing to Cavalry Arms here a few years back. They showed up with enough people and firepower to take Iwo Jima, and arrested no one. Everything they took they wound up giving back. All they did was aggravate everyone involved, and disrupt a legitimate business. These people didn't learn a damn thing from Waco or Ruby Ridge. If anything, it's made them worse. This kind of crap is going to end with a big bang one of these days, and a lot of people are going to wind up getting killed.

[blackwolfe]

Found another story here:

http://www.independentmail.com/news/2013/mar/27/atf-agents-search-georgia-properties/

Sheriff said they were using Tannerite and that Tannerite was legal up to a point.

[billt]

Found another story here:

http://www.independentmail.com/news/2013/mar/27/atf-agents-search-georgia-properties/

Sheriff said they were using Tannerite and that Tannerite was legal up to a point.

They sell the stuff at Cabela's. There's a limit on ammo, not on Tannerite.

[PegLeg45]

Each state may vary on the legal limit. I will have to check Georgia's.


The catch is whether it is mixed or not. Once mixed, it falls under the black powder rules, which is where the 50# limit comes in.



According to the official Tannerite product page:

Tannerite® introduced the Binary Exploding Rifle Target to civilians for long range target practice many years ago. We are the inventors of the Binary Exploding Target and they are a patented product. We designed Tannerite® to be a safe, legal, and effective training tool. With Tannerite®, there is no chance of a fire, and no chance of accidental initiation from other sources such as friction or static.

Tannerite® is NOT a “Firework (UN0336/UN0335)” or a “Pyrotechnic (UN0431/UN0432”). These items have unique United Nations numbers, separating them from each other. Tannerite® is exempt from state and federal regulatory controls under the “Small arms exemption clause” as a shot indicator. A civilian may shoot exploding rifle targets the same day they are mixed as long as they don’t exceed their state’s limit on black powder. Per CFR, federal law allows you to possess 50 lbs of “pre-mixed” powder for sporting use. A state such as Maryland has a limit of 5 pounds. This means that you may not possess over 5 pounds of “mixed” Tannerite at any given time in Maryland, however, you may possess as much UNMIXED Tannerite as you wish, and combine the binary targets in smaller quantities as you shoot them.

Tannerite® and black powder are comprised of a combination of oxidizers and fuels. The difference is that Tannerite® is much safer than ordinary black powder, or any other sporting powder because it is not flammable and will not burn in either it’s mixed or unmixed state. Furthermore it can’t start a fire when shooting it, since it is an oxygen-robber and as such will actually extinguish and suppress fire.

When combining Tannerite®, you are not required to have a license UNLESS you choose to mix the compounds COMMERCIALLY. A situation that would require a license would be if a shooting range were to  mix and sell the targets for any form of reimbursement, but an individual MAY mix and shoot Tannerite® for any NON-commercial sporting purpose.

http://www.tannerite.com/featured/tannerite-for-civilian-applications/

The 50 lb. limit is a fairly old law. Black powder is regulated as an explosive, BUT, there is a sporting use exception in the law for not over 50 lbs. for certain sporting uses.

Industry Circular

Number: 75-22

Date: December 3, 1975

Department of the Treasury

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms

Washington, D.C. 20226



AMENDMENTS TO THE LAW AND REGULATIONS REGARDING BLACK POWDER AND CERTAIN IGNITERS
Federal Firearms Licensees, Explosives Licensees and Permittees, and Others Concerned:

Purpose.
This circular provides information on amendments to the law and proposed amendments to the regulations regarding black powder and certain igniters, subsequent to Public Law 93-639, effective January 4, 1975.
Background. Public Law 93-639 removed the exemption in 18 U.S.C. 845(a)(5) on black powder in amounts of five pounds or less, whether commercially or otherwise manufactured and regardless of its intended use. In lieu of the five pound exemp- tion, the amended law inserted an exemption on black powder in quantities of fifty pounds or less, percussion caps, safety and pyrotechnic fuses, quills, quick and slow matches, and friction primers; however, the new exemption is specifically restricted to (1) commercially manufactured black powder, and (2) black powder intended to be used solely for sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes in antique firearms, as defined in 18 U. S. C. 921(a)(16), or in antique devices, as exempted from the term "destructive device" in 18 U.S.C. 921( a)(4). 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(4) was also amended to add language exempting antiques such as muzzle-loading cannons used for sporting, recreational, or cul- tural purposes, from the definition of "destructive device".

In commenting on the legislation, the House of Representatives, Committee on the Judiciary (Report No. 93-1570), which amended the original Senate bill, specifically addressed the issue of Treasury Department regulations that would be drafted to implement the bill. The Committee indicated that "retailers will be required to keep records of their sales of black powder under the new exemption". The Committee further expected that ATF "establish forms to require sporting users to identify themselves on purchase of black powder". In addition to the above conditions, the Com- mittee suggested that ATF could also "require that a purchaser- sportsman certify by affidavit that he intends to use the black powder for sporting, recreational or cultural purposes".

Proposed Regulatory Amendments. Based on the foregoing Congressional expectations and recommendations, the Bureau published a notice of proposed rulemaking in the FEDERAL REGISTER for May 20, 1975. As a result of the numerous comments and suggestions received from sporting organizations, antique firearms enthusiasts, and interested persons, the Bureau has revised the original proposals and has prepared an amended notice of proposed rulemaking.

Basically, under the new proposals the regulations in 27 CFR Parts 178 (Commerce in Firearms and Ammunition) and 181 (Commerce in Explosives) would be amended to reflect the following changes:

1. Definition of "destructive device". The definition of "destructive device", found in Part 178, would be amended by the additon of language exempting antiques, such as small muzzle- loading cannons used for sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes, from the term "destructive device".

2. Licensees. Under previous law, all black powder in amounts of five pounds or less was exempt from the provisions of law and regulations in Part 181. This meant that retailers were able to sell black powder in five pound quantities or less without being subject to licensing requirements. Since Public Law 93-639 requires a determination at the time of sale as to whether commercially manufactured black powder in amounts of fifty pounds or less is going to be used solely for sporting, recrea- tional, or cultural purposes, our proposed regulations would require the retailer to maintain records certifying that the pur- chaser intends to use the black powder in accordance with the provisions of the law. All retailers, of course, would need to be licensed in order for ATF to impose these recordkeeping requirements upon them. The dealer's license is a nominal fee of $20 initially and a $10 renewal fee every year thereafter. There would be no licensing requirements on dealers in percus- sion caps, safety and pyrotechnic fuses, quills, quick and slow matches, and friction primers.

3. Permittees. Under current regulations in Part 181, a user permit is required in order to acquire explosive materials (except black powder in quantities of five pounds or less) in interstate or foreign commerce. This requirement would be modified so that it would not be necessary for a person to obtain a user permit, if he intends to receive in interstate or foreign commerce, commercially manufactured black powder in quantities not to exceed fifty pounds, percussion caps, safety and pyro- technic fuses, quills, quick and slow matches, and friction primers, to be used solely for sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes in antique firearms or in antique devices.

4. Transaction record for black powder to be used in antique firearms and antique devices. The proposed regulations would require a licensed dealer selling commercially manu- factured black powder in quantities not to exceed fifty pounds to be used in antique firearms or in antique devices, to a non- licensee or nonpermittee, to record the transaction on proposed ATF Form 5400.3. No transaction record would be required for the purchase of percussion caps, safety and pyrotechnic fuses, quills, quick and slow matches, and friction primers by nonlicensees or nonpermittees. The executed Form 5400.3, signed by the purchaser and the dealer, would identify the purchaser (by name and address) and certify that the black powder purchased is intended to be used solely for sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes in antique firearms or in antique devices. The licensee would be required to main- tain the executed Form 5400.3 on his business premises available for inspection by ATF officers.

Inquiries.
Until specific regulations are promulgated, our only authority is the law. In the interim, any inquiries as to our requirements relating to black powder and igniters should be directed to your Regional Firearms and Explosives Coordi- nator. If you wish to obtain a copy of the proposed regulations, you may obtain it from your regional coordinator. The mailing addresses and phone numbers for the regional coordinators are:

Central Region
Room 6501,
Federal Office Building
550 Main Street
Cincinnati, Ohio 45202
(513) 684-3715

Mid-Atlantic Region
Room 334,
2 Penn Center Plaza
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19102
(215) 597-2220

Midwest Region
Room 1514,
230 S. Dearborn Street
Chicago, Illinois 60604
(312) 353-3883

North-Atlantic Region
P.O. Box 15
New York, New York 10008
(212) 264-3993

Southeast Region
P.O. Box 2994
Atlanta, Georgia 30301
(404) 455-2675

Southwest Region
Main Tower, Room 345
1200 Main Street
Dallas, Texas 75202
(214) 749-3280

Western Region
525 Market Street,
34th Floor
San Francisco, California 94105
(415) 556-2610

[TAB]

Just becuase something is legal, it does not mean you can use it how you want.  Me using black powder in a gun,  is legal, take that same black powder and put it in a pipe with 2 end caps and a fuse is not.  No one knows what happen, I won't judge until I know.   and for the record, waco and ruby ridge, both sides f'd up.