Uncle Ted's At It Again

[tombogan03884]

Nancy Reagan did not say compromise on drugs.
She did not say avoid crack, but weed is OK.
Her words were " JUST SAY NO".

[Solus]

When the "message" is NO COMPROMISE, EVER, there is no point in a "an intelligent and insightful dialogue", which indicates an exchange of ideas.
The socialists, liberals, and anti's have nothing to say that is worth paying attention to unless you want to make fun of them by pointing out their "double think" reasoning.

Well Uncle Ted sort of engages in this...   it is just   " inciteful dialog " on his part 

[MikeBjerum]

It's not a debate.  It was a rout.  Debating is what put us on this path from the 60's on.  Facing it head on with CCW,Carry, etc. is what is bringing it back.  Not to be ugly or anything, but the other side was winning.  Being timid (attempting to have a reasonable dialogue) did not hold ground or gain ground.

We must gain ground.  There is no dialogue.  The guys who are listening are listening to the shrill voices and being won over.  That can be countered only by standing and gaining ground...standing tall and talking loud. 

That was the pattern, to engage in civil discourse, it by no means can be the pattern going forward unless we desire to lose what has been reclaimed and the foundation thereof.  Our history over the last 50-60 years confirms this.

Little personal edit there to reflect my feelings.

I listen.  If I don't listen I don't know what direction to go in.  However, it is no a debate.  It is putting a stake in the ground and saying we will only go that direction from here.  Once I know their rants, I respond to them.  This may sound like debating, but it is not.  In a debate it is possible to find a middle ground or to agree to disagree.  I will do neither.  In the words of Ted Nugent "I will either be in jail or dead!" if they think they are going to disarm me. 

It is time that we renew the universal permit to carry - The Second Amendment to The Constitution of the United States of America.

[Pathfinder]

It doesn't matter if the issue is 2A rights, the economy, unemployment, management of natural resources, or government spending - it's pretty well understood how the true conservatives will vote, how the socialists will vote, how the liberals will vote, how NRA members will vote, and so on.  Our goal should extend beyond preaching to the choir.  We MUST influence those in the middle, the centrists.  Whether we like it or not, those are the folks who decide elections.  And once elected, it's often the centrist legislators who pass, or block, important legislation that impacts all of us.

You can stop with that word right there - these are our rights you want to have a reasoned dialogue and compromise about. You can have reasoned dialogue and compromise about what to have for dinner, NOT what I can say or read, where I go to church (or if I can go), who I can associate with, whether I get to have "arms", if my home is secure from unreasonable search and seizure, etc.

We cannot afford to debate "the other side" - we always lose because the very act of debate on this means compromise. Screw the leaders of the other side, we have gone to the people and the people are responding with Gun Culture 2.0. We're winning. Now is not the time to retreat or compromise our victories, because those victories are about our rights, our liberties and our freedoms.

[Pathfinder]

It is time that we renew the universal permit to carry - The Second Amendment to The Constitution of the United States of America.

FIFY

Damn near the entire document has been shredded by various occupants of the WH and their minions over the years, so we need to restore the lawful foundation and emphasize that every bit of it applies today.

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[kmitch200]

Damn near the entire document has been shredded by various occupants of the WH and their minions over the years, so we need to restore the lawful foundation and emphasize that every bit of it applies today.

+1 Path.

[MikeBjerum]

FIFY

Damn near the entire document has been shredded by various occupants of the WH and their minions over the years, so we need to restore the lawful foundation and emphasize that every bit of it applies today.

True, but even the Founding Fathers realized that we would have asshats among us that would need it spelled out  

By the way, the next time some anti gets ranting about the Founding Fathers not envisioning the types of weapons we have today, they did include artillery and blades of all lengths, shapes and sizes in their reasoning.  How many of those items are banned today by the "reasonable thinker"?

[twyacht]

Let's review:

“The war is coming to the streets of America and if you are not keeping and bearing and practicing with your arms then you will be helpless and you will be the victim of evil.” Ted Nugent

Mr. Janet Reno? I think Mr. Janet Reno... I think he's one of the best hunting dogs in the world.
Ted Nugent

There are hundreds of millions of gun owners in this country, and not one of them will have an accident today. The only misuse of guns comes in environments where there are drugs, alcohol, bad parents, and undisciplined children. Period.
Ted Nugent

"You mean to say that when an imbecile walks into a church, office, day care center, or school, stumbling about, almost zombie-like, with gun-filled hands at his side, blabbering incoherently to his next victim, the reaction of grown men and women is to run, cry, whimper, and hide under a desk or pew?  The sheeping of America is nearly complete." Ted Nugent.

His own words are better...

Get It?

[JLawson]

OK, I understand.  Nobody likes compromise.  It's seen as weak... timid.  We all want to stand tall and proud while making our demands and daring anyone foolish enough to cross the line we've drawn in the sand.  Well, consider one of our most important victories - carry laws.

Concealed carry, open carry, constitutional carry - whatever type of law a given State may have - has been offered here as the epitome of the "no compromise" approach to protecting our rights or advancing the recognition of those rights.  Let me offer this challenge... find just one of those carry laws that passed EXACTLY as it was originally proposed... just one.  I don't think you'll find one.  Debate, argument, compromise, revision, and then more debate is at the very heart of the legislative process.  Each side is attempting to garner enough votes to either pass or block the proposed law.  And if the bill survives this process, you can be sure that the final language of the law will be far different than originally introduced.

So the next time you exercise your right as a law-abiding citizen and carry your weapon as prescribed by law, stop to think for a moment that someone's compromise may be responsible for saving your life.

[tombogan03884]

OK, I understand.  Nobody likes compromise.  It's seen as weak... timid.  We all want to stand tall and proud while making our demands and daring anyone foolish enough to cross the line we've drawn in the sand.  Well, consider one of our most important victories - carry laws.

Concealed carry, open carry, constitutional carry - whatever type of law a given State may have - has been offered here as the epitome of the "no compromise" approach to protecting our rights or advancing the recognition of those rights.  Let me offer this challenge... find just one of those carry laws that passed EXACTLY as it was originally proposed... just one.  I don't think you'll find one.  Debate, argument, compromise, revision, and then more debate is at the very heart of the legislative process.  Each side is attempting to garner enough votes to either pass or block the proposed law.  And if the bill survives this process, you can be sure that the final language of the law will be far different than originally introduced.

So the next time you exercise your right as a law-abiding citizen and carry your weapon as prescribed by law, stop to think for a moment that someone's compromise may be responsible for saving your life.

You are the one who isn't getting it.
If it had not been for spineless people who were willing to compromise on our rights in the first place getting them back never would have become an issue.
And just so you know, I would carry regardless of local law.