Liberal loon -- Concealed handguns would harm campuses

[TAB]

They can't even keep underage kids from drinking in their dorms, how are they going to stop some one bent on murder, rape (which has reached epidemic proportions) robbery or assault. Those who would prohibit CCW carriers from carrying ANY WHERE, are simply hiding from reality.

Read my earily post...   

I would also like to point out that the state with the highest Sexual assualt( IIRC its twice that of the next highest state) rate is also one of the two where you do not need a permit to CCW and still has prohibation in most of the state... that state is alaska.

[Pathfinder]

A "citadel of reason", but without reason at all. What a clown.

Bingo!!!!

FTA: "Finally, faculty recognize that in their classrooms they are responsible not only for their own safety but for the safety of the class as a whole."

I know of no legal precept or precedent that supports this statement. My guess is that this prof would be the first one screaming like a little girl if a shooter came into the room - totally worthless. The profs like the one who died trying to protect the students at VTech are a rarity, most are self-serving intellectual midgets (giants only in their own minds), bigots and petty tyrants.

[ericire12]

Most of the comments from the Kids were pro gun, but 3 "Professors" weighed in, so I set them straight.
My Reply
Pearl Mississippi High School shooting rampage was stopped by the Principle going to his truck parked off campus, retrieving his legal hand gun and confronting the shooter.
A law school, I believe it was Ball State, Again, shooter was confronted by 2 LEGALLY armed STUDENTS and held for police.
How about Trolley Park Mall, where an off duty Police officer ending a shooting rampage with the pistol he was carrying IN SPITE of the "No Guns" (good hunting ) signs, or the Church shooting where a legally armed LADY killed the shooter who had several loaded magazines.
If you bothered to do research, instead of spouting "feel good" nonsense you would be aware that with the terrorism problem in Israel, where half the population over 18 are openly carrying automatic weapons, ( not look alike, so called "Assault weapons" but REAL machine guns ) the average death count in a mass shooting incident is 3 usually including the shooter.
Murder, Rape, Robbery, Assault, have all been against the law since the days of Hammurabi, How, pray tell, do you think adding to the current 20,000 gun laws just in this country is going to make them more illegal. In case it wasn't covered in your post graduate work I have a tip for you, crooks don't care about your laws. That's why they are called "lawbreakers" it's in their job description.
I carry a pistol every day. I have been certified as a law abiding good citizen by the FBI, can you say the same ?
You denizens of academia would scream bloody murder if the 1st amendment were as hemmed in and infringed as the 2nd, which by the way preserves ALL the others.
You would be facing criminal charges if you used such derogatory language against  Blacks, Gays or Women. And I for one find your "hate speech" despicable.
Any one interested in THE TRUTH can find it at www.gunfacts.info, this fact book doesn't use information from NRA which could be considered biased, but goes straight to the sources such as Dept. of Justice and the CDC. It is meant to be printed, read, and passed around.
For more info on Concealed Carry on Campus go to www.concealedcampus.org.
Don't beleive the Brady campaign, they lie then use themselves for sources to verify their lies. Know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.


As for TAB, They are probably going to get the CRAP sued out of them now that that girl got her head cut off in the Cafeteria, it indicates an unaddressed history of problems aggravated by their refusal to let potential victims protect themselves, and their total failure to implement MEANINGFUL safety measures.

Tom Bogan 4 Senate!

*btw cars are restricted at colleges because of lack of parking...... freshman sometimes can not drive, so that upper classmen can have parking places.

[tombogan03884]

Thank's Eric , I can use the pay raise 

I expanded on my previous comment

To add to my earlier post, I will point that the "alleged" Professors, and the so anti 2nd amendment movement in general are LIARS.
Why do I use such a strong term ? Consider this, To teach you about money most of you were given chores and then given an "allowance (money) for doing them, to keep young drivers from killing themselves and others Drivers Ed programs were introduced in America's schools, to prevent teen pregnancy and the spread of STD's Sex Ed classes were introduced into America's schools. So obviously the alleged safety concerns are false, because the ones voicing them have done everything in their power to remove such programs, going to such ridiculous lengths as to suspend a student for having a pen with the word "Glock" on it. "It's for the children" they tell you. Is it ?
The second  intentional lie is the "crime control" lie. If they wish to cut crime, why are they making potential victims more vulnerable ? If they were TRULY concerned about crime wouldn't they be going after violent offenders, instead of engaging in "hate speech" filled rants against those who are willing to take responsibility for their own safety ? Would their cause not be better served by railing against the lenient judges who let these predators off with light sentences to continue preying on the public ?
Why do the cities with the strictest anti 2nd amendment laws have the highest crime rates ? It's pretty obvious that the victim disarmament philosophy is a failure.
They say the definition of insanity is repeating the same action and expecting a different result, with 20,000 ineffective gun laws on the books it makes one wonder if these "gun control" advocates are in full possession of their faculties.
The TRUTH is that gun control is NOT about guns, it's about control. This is not about making streets safer. It is about a socialist agenda that requires Government to usurp powers the Constitution never intended them to take from the citizens.
I must say in closing that the young people responding here have restored my faith in the youth of America.
Thomas C. Bogan

The STUDENTS are overwhelmingly in favor of exercising their rights

[ericire12]

I like this comment from one of the gun/America haters:

Janet
posted 1/27/09 @ 7:20 PM CST

I am thankful that the professors on this campus realize that more violence does not solve the problem of violence. It's not a gun problem - it's an American problem You don't solve violent crime with more violence. The professors get it - why don't you?

Actually sweetie, when someone is shooting at you, it would be helpful if you too had a gun so that you could return fire!





"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."
-The Dalai Lama


*I guess the Dalai Lama is just another ignorant violence lover who just doesnt get it  

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[Texas_Bryan]

I'm totally in agreement.  Six months out of school and all I can say is good riddance, most of the sheep there had no idea how appealing of a target a college would be to an insane person, a few military vets did.  The only thing any one had to protect themselves from any magnitude of a threat was an edged weapon that could be concealed.  That, I'm sure, too was probably illegal to carry on campus.  And may not do any good in a VT style attack, I'm not exactly proficient in hand to gun combat.

If any conceal carry license holder is ever injured in a campus attack, they ought to sue the hell out the school and government.  Any one injured should because those situations could be stopped before they turn in to an all out sheep slaughter.  Yeah my school had cops on duty, but they where in a totally different building and sometime only one would be on duty.

[ericire12]

UPDATE: This might add some fuel to the fire.....

Univ Cinn student charged for carrying concealed revolver

Tuesday, January 27, 2009
A 22-year-old University of Cincinnati student learned the legal nuances of a concealed carry permit the hard way, after Oxford police arrested him over a .38 caliber revolver hidden in his pocket.

Udoamaka Nwamu, 7752 Montgomery Road #14, Cincinnati, was issued a citation for carrying a concealed weapon on Jan. 25, despite possessing a concealed carry permit. Nwamu reportedly did not inform officers of the weapon immediately upon making contact with them, which police said is legally required.

The driver was notified that the vehicle would be towed, with the passengers asked to exit the vehicle and turn around so officers to pat them down. An officer asked Nwamu if he had any weapons on him prior to checking him, at which point Nwamu reportedly said he was carrying a revolver.

Officers handcuffed Nwamu and confiscated a .38 caliber revolver loaded with five rounds from a holster in his pocket. Nwamu told police he possessed a concealed carrying permit, which was located in one of his ID holders. He was taken to the Oxford Police Department, issued a citation for carrying a concealed weapon and later released.

Hmmmm..... curiously just issued a ticket 

[tombogan03884]

Nwamu reportedly did not inform officers of the weapon immediately upon making contact with them, which police said is legally required.

I don't know Ohio law, but I do know that "police said" doesn't make it so.
It is also possible that they did him a left handed favor by writing him up for something that may get thrown out with out mentioning the traffic offense they were originally stopped for.
I got stopped for 50 in a 35 one time ($75 fine) under endorsements my lic. said  MC for my motorcycle endorsement.
I got a ticket for "Not having a valid lic. nothing about speeding. Instead of paying a $75 fine I sent in my a photocopy of my Free replacement lic. with the proper OPR/ MC endorsement.

[tt11758]

In most locations CCW holders are required to inform LEOs with whom they come into "professional contact" that they are, in fact, armed.  Please avoid saying, "I have a gun", as this makes LEO's nervous.  A safer approach might be to hand them your CCW permit along with your DL when you get pulled over.

These people have a dangerous job, and don't know that you're a card-carrying good guy unless you tell them.  Even in locations where it may not be required to inform the officer it's still probably a good idea.  It will most certainly put the officer more at ease, and who wants to deal with someone who is jumpy AND armed?