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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Frosty on February 25, 2014, 07:44:01 AM
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I like it ;D ;D ;D I'm gonna call these resistors patriots, their action has left the politician law maker asshats in Ct. wondering, what do we do now?
Do we hunt them down like dogs, jail ALL of them or use gestapo tactics to break down their door and search the premises because they are breaking the law? http://reason.com/blog/2014/02/18/round-up-tens-of-thousands-of-gun-regist (http://reason.com/blog/2014/02/18/round-up-tens-of-thousands-of-gun-regist)
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http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/02/connecticut-last-chance-comply-with-gun-registration-or-else-2907018.html
I hope these people stand their ground on this. So far "well over 90%" have refused to comply. That government can go "F'k" themselves. Let them try to arrest hundreds of thousands. I wish them luck!
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Isn't it amazing the the "Editorial Board", wrote the editorial calling for "justice". No one would put their name to it. I wonder why? ::)
I'm SICK of cowards hiding behind bureaucracies and the anonymity it provides. Kidnapping, robbery, extortion and threats of state sponsored violence. Our local, state and federal governments have exceeded their power limits and we need to hem them in before this gets violent.
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Our local, state and federal governments have exceeded their power limits and we need to hem them in before this gets violent.
I think it's too late for that. This will get violent, it's only a matter of time. Having Hi-Cap magazines isn't going to be enough.....Unless they're LOADED.
Wait until Hussein becomes a lame duck after the 2014 elections. Especially if the Republicans take the Senate. He will lash out with anything and everything in his power that will push his agenda. Gun control will be among the first. He has nothing to lose. The only consequences he'll be facing is a lifetime golfing retirement in Hawaii.
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Colorado gun owners regularly give the finger to the new guns laws rammed through last year. Fortunately our Sheriffs don't give a hoot because its simply unenforceable, and they are not the least bit worried about otherwise law abiding gun owners buying regular capacity mags for their legal guns. The morons at the State House would have understood that had they turned off Facebook and Angry Birds during the hearings, Thanks to our oath keeping Sheriffs, there are unlikely to be any clashes between law enforcement and citizens. In Connecticut, New York, and New Jersey, its only a matter of time.
The blood from both sides will be on the hands of the politicians who smugly shelter behind their armed security. I await their trials with baited breath. >:(
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County Sheriffs will be the key, in CT and elsewhere.
Just read that the CT State Police made a statement that they would obey and go door to door if ordered to do so by the state government.
Only ones who can legally stop that from happening are the County Sheriffs. I guess if the line officers of the State Police came down with "blue flue" when they were scheduled to do the Jackbooted Thug routine, they would be legal also.
If neither of those happen it will be up to the gun owners....and there is no doubt they will be singled out for massive SWAT raids. They must effectively coordinate and all hang together, or assuredly they shall all hang separately.
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In CT, you have local police officers, and then the CSP. The CSP will cover where you don't have a local police force.
For decades, every time you purchase a weapon, the paperwork with the information is filed with the CSP. You can sell long guns privately, but pistol sales have to go through a paperwork process.
Remember, they were given choices too. Register, Sell, or Transfer out of State. Since they are going to use the registration forms, how do they know the rifle is still there? Or magazines?
I still believe that the upper levels of the CT government, and the CSP, are just hard headed enough to pursue action.
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County Sheriffs will be the key, in CT and elsewhere.
Just read that the CT State Police made a statement that they would obey and go door to door if ordered to do so by the state government.
Only ones who can legally stop that from happening are the County Sheriffs. I guess if the line officers of the State Police came down with "blue flue" when they were scheduled to do the Jackbooted Thug routine, they would be legal also.
If neither of those happen it will be up to the gun owners....and there is no doubt they will be singled out for massive SWAT raids. They must effectively coordinate and all hang together, or assuredly they shall all hang separately.
At this point, I have zero faith that any po-po agency will intervene, at least not privately. Behind the scenes, maybe.
The state cop Lt. who spoke yesterday and announced the door-to-door and called the woman who questioned it "un-American" is a prime example. My guess is that you will find damn few cops who will put their oaths ahead of their paychecks, pensions and taking care of their families. And the few that do will be dealt with harshly to serve as an example to any other "oath keepers". My guess would be that Jackass Holder will even try to intervene in their all-too-public pillorying.
All you will need to see is a half-dozen or so very public SWAT team assaults on the homes of the gun-owners - with children present of course as well as the media - and I would guess maybe 80% of the scofflaws will immediately turn in their guns.
I would love to see CT go all Euromaiden on the PTB, but I ain't holding my breath! >:(
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there may be a few little do the right thing but most of them will just do what they're told
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Any one who obeys these laws deserves to be victimized.
That's what you do to "prey".
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Man this is a shame what is going on there. I hope the political elites don't follow through with terrorizing homeowners by kicking their doors down with a US version of a storm trooper....all you can do is wait for them to finish up and hope they don't cap you or your young child or wife for a trophy. That sort of thing could lead to victims fighting back against the elites and the door kickers on similar terms and at their own homes at distance without ninja suits and door knockers. Crap...nobody wants that....danged liberal/progressive/Marxists stirring up trouble that could lead to a bunch of innocent people getting killed. Can we not just all get along without messin' with people....I mean really...go pick on people who wear sweaters or something. Glad I don't live in Ct. so I don't have to worry about it.
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Man this is a shame what is going on there. I hope the political elites don't follow through with terrorizing homeowners by kicking their doors down with a US version of a storm trooper....all you can do is wait for them to finish up and hope they don't cap you or your young child or wife for a trophy. That sort of thing could lead to victims fighting back against the elites and the door kickers on similar terms and at their own homes at distance without ninja suits and door knockers. Crap...nobody wants that....danged liberal/progressive/Marxists stirring up trouble that could lead to a bunch of innocent people getting killed. Can we not just all get along without messin' with people....I mean really...go pick on people who wear sweaters or something. Glad I don't live in Ct. so I don't have to worry about it.
Vanderboergh (sp?) of the Sipsey Street Irregulars has published a list of all of the state senators and Reps who voted for the CT bill. Said list includes the home addresses of all of those on the list. He also has made available photos of each as well as phone numbers in a separate list.
Seems fair . . . . ::)
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Hi;
just got a email from a lady that was active with the Reform Party when Perot was a hot item. I believe she wants to restart the group and help change things in that State.
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You guys need to review this. Resistance in your own home is futile and can get you killed.
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You guys need to review this. Resistance in your own home is futile and can get you killed.
A Grand Jury just refused to indite a guy that shot and killed a LEO serving a "No-Knock" warrant. A few of those and you WILL see a shift in tactics by Law Enforcement as well as a few heads rolling.
A thought occurred to me while watching the video. How we set up the entrance to gain entrance to our homes could deter Law Enforcement. Guarding sensitive items in Germany we had a box which locked people inside while we checked their ID against our entry list and "rolled the dice" for random searches. Not that you would have to be that elaborate but just create a choke point that can be covered from fortified cover. An alley of rose bushes perpendicular to the house with a brick facade and a covered port would be inconspicuous, kind of.
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Magoo's idea is a lot more effective than casting votes in rigged elections.
Even if "Resistance is futile", it is still the duty of every Citizen .
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Even if "Resistance is futile", it is still the duty of every Citizen .
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Rather than dying a brave SOB outgunned and outnumbered in my own home I'll take living for another day or so. Think like you are in real estate.
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Fox had a couple of the guys on last night who are "resisting". They both had the "bring it on!" attitude. There are a lot of lawyers getting in on this, as is the NRA. They want this to escalate to door to door arrests, and see it played out in court. A lot of people are really fed up with the fact they've been legislated into criminals, by doing nothing more than legally purchasing a firearm.
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Even if "Resistance is futile", it is still the duty of every Citizen.
If this goes door to door with "no knock" warrants in the middle of the night, someone is going to get killed. If it turns out to be a cop, this will get far greater nationwide media attention than it is now. If they kill a citizen, all bets are off. Cameras will be everywhere watching these freedom robbers every move. I think we've reached a crossroads here. The police and legislators have really painted themselves into a corner. I can all but guarantee you they wished they hadn't done this. The burden to end it is all on them, along with how it's going to end.
The worst thing they can do will be to offer some type of "amnesty", and push back the registration date. That will do nothing but gather even more resistance. The bulk of these people could have complied, but chose not to. More time is going to do nothing except make them even more defiant.
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If this goes door to door with "no knock" warrants in the middle of the night, someone is going to get killed. If it turns out to be a cop, this will get far greater nationwide media attention than it is now. If they kill a citizen, all bets are off. Cameras will be everywhere watching these freedom robbers every move. I think we've reached a crossroads here. The police and legislators have really painted themselves into a corner. I can all but guarantee you they wished they hadn't done this. The burden to end it is all on them, along with how it's going to end.
The worst thing they can do will be to offer some type of "amnesty", and push back the registration date. That will do nothing but gather even more resistance. The bulk of these people could have complied, but chose not to. More time is going to do nothing except make them even more defiant.
There maybe some advantage to extending the confrontation.
One is that folks have taken a stand...went right to the brink and are willing to go all the way over for their right. That takes a lot of courage and fortitude. If the government pushes the brink farther out, they will need to find that courage and fortitude again. Most might, I hope, but some will not and the ranks of the resistance will be lessened.
Another social pressure. Smear campaigns listing the names and addresses of violators, rewards for turning in violators, even though they are likely to be known already, it will rally support for the law and create more pressure to comply. Billboards and ads on public transportation vilifying resistors (the usual stuff) could be increased.
Also, it will give the government time to apply non-confrontational means to encourage compliance. For instance, withholding any financial assistance to anyone not in compliance. VA benefits perhaps, any state income tax deductions might go away for resistors. Home and Life insurance rates for them might be raised by law. Zoning penalties for having unregistered weapons might be applied.
Refusal to comply with any of those actions could lead to confrontation like not paying additional taxes imposed, but some will not...like withholding any paid benefits and increases in insurance costs...you don't comply or pay up, you do without the benefit...no one shows up at your door.
I expect that postponing the confrontation will tend to reduce the ranks of the stalwart by making it a growing PITA to hold out for the final reckoning.
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Bill, where have you been for the last 40 years ?
Citizens have been killed by fascist LEO's in every single state in the union already.
If cops start getting killed in these raids it is nothing more than "What goes around" coming around.
As for getting killed, I can only quote Gen John Stark to the cowards.
"Live free or die, there are greater evils than death."
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Bill, where have you been for the last 40 years ?
Citizens have been killed by fascist LEO's in every single state in the union already.
Never as a direct result of door to door gun confiscation, by a gun law that legislated a honest, law abiding citizen into a "criminal".
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If this accomplishes anything, it should wise up people enough to exit a state that has this type of mass disrespect for it's citizens, and their constitutional rights. Who the hell needs the taxes and weather that place dishes out anyway?
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Never as a direct result of door to door gun confiscation, by a gun law that legislated a honest, law abiding citizen into a "criminal".
Um, wrong. See previous post re' Katrina.
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=24840.msg290732#msg290732 (http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=24840.msg290732#msg290732)
Ya wanna quibble that it was a NOLA/Nagin edict as opposed to a law?
And as for killing someone, no, no one in NOLA was killed by the po-po,. but damn close. Remember the little kerfuffle between the (out of state) pop-po and the little old lady? They asked her if she had a gun and she said yes. They asked to see it and the moment it appeared they broke her arm and gave her multiple contusions taking the "deadly" .32 nickle plate she had away from her.
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Ya wanna quibble that it was a NOLA/Nagin edict as opposed to a law?
And as for killing someone, no, no one in NOLA was killed by the po-po,. but damn close. Remember the little kerfuffle between the (out of state) pop-po and the little old lady? They asked her if she had a gun and she said yes. They asked to see it and the moment it appeared they broke her arm and gave her multiple contusions taking the "deadly" .32 nickle plate she had away from her.
You either kill someone, or you don't. No one was killed by the police as a direct result of trying to confiscate guns door to door. Man handling of old ladies isn't shooting someone. That happens routinely during traffic stops in this country. If I remember correctly, cops killed some unarmed people on a bridge. I'm not sure if they were New Orleans or not. They went to jail for it. These type of shootings are all too common, but not the same thing as what's brewing in Conn.....As far as Nagin, we'll all be dead and buried before he ever gets out of jail. And he killed no one.
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You mean after Katrina the Danzinger bridge where a retarded person and one other was killed and 4 others wounded. The police were convicted but I don't think they have served any time.
There was an appeal filed within a month of original sentencing and a retrial has been scheduled and rescheduled with the latest reschedule date being May 2013. Now I know it's March 2014...but the May 2013 date got delayed and as of today the trial has not been rescheduled.
So...in the end I doubt anyone is held accountable.
The retarded guy...he was shot in the back. And they did admit to making up a story to cover their behinds. They got off on a technicality.
If they were in jail for a month that's more than has been reported.
Life is cheap when you've been dehumanized and the penalty for removing life from non-humans is pretty light at best. We 2A supporters are in the mid to late throes of dehuminization.
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You mean after Katrina the Danzinger bridge where a retarded person and one other was killed and 4 others wounded. The police were convicted but I don't think they have served any time.
There was an appeal filed within a month of original sentencing and a retrial has been scheduled and rescheduled with the latest reschedule date being May 2013. Now I know it's March 2014...but the May 2013 date got delayed and as of today the trial has not been rescheduled.
So...in the end I doubt anyone is held accountable.
The retarded guy...he was shot in the back. And they did admit to making up a story to cover their behinds. They got off on a technicality.
If they were in jail for a month that's more than has been reported.
Life is cheap when you've been dehumanized and the penalty for removing life from non-humans is pretty light at best. We 2A supporters are in the mid to late throes of dehuminization.
Not sure what you mean about 2A supporters, Rastus?
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Not sure what you mean about 2A supporters, Rastus?
2nd Amendment supporters have been smeared and "dehumanized" to near the point of finality...at least from the liberal standpoint. We've been ridiculed and passed off as dumb, inbred, toothless fanatics that won't work, beat our spouses and can't wait to shoot somebody....whooowee, boy.
It's the liberal/progressive/socialist/communist tactic that has worked for years. Make fun of a group, rename them something while you smear them to the sheep. Think about it...would you abort/kill a baby ....but when it's just a fetus....whether you support the abortion thing or not you've got to admit the act of stopping a beating heart is a lot easier for the masses if you don't think of the child as a baby but as a fetus.
The masses checked their brains in back in elementary school........
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Ahhh, Rastus, I agree.
That is what I was getting at with this statement in a previous post here:
Another social pressure. Smear campaigns listing the names and addresses of violators, rewards for turning in violators, even though they are likely to be known already, it will rally support for the law and create more pressure to comply. Billboards and ads on public transportation vilifying resistors (the usual stuff) could be increased.
If the confrontation is postponed, I do believe everything will be done to lead that segment of the population to be demanding of government why the extermination of the vile gun owners has not begun already.
We already hear calls for the NRA membership to be executed.
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One thing that does give me hope is that the left are pretty much cowardly bullies and cowardly bullies are pretty easy to defeat once you push back. I am thinking they won't have the fortitude to actually enforce their insane laws in CT. As MB said on his podcast, it will be one of those laws that's on the books but only selectively enforced. Several years from now it will be overturned in the courts.
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One thing that does give me hope is that the left are pretty much cowardly bullies and cowardly bullies are pretty easy to defeat once you push back. <snip>
Except they aren't the ones that normally get pushed back on. It will be their proper tool used improperly, law enforcement, that will be sent to enforce unconstitutional law and get the 1st level of push back. The leaders don't care what happens to their tools so long as they win.
So..even though what you say is correct, the cowardly bullies won't be the ones door kicking and getting the primary negative feedback. If no chickens come to roost for them personally they really couldn't give a rat's ass what the cost in $$$'s or innocent lives is so long as they get their way.
And so, as in the New Orleans example, law enforcement will preserve their paycheck. Much of the pedestal that law enforcement now enjoys was engendered from countering the disrespect they received from hippies and liberals in the 60's through 70's to provide a counter of inspiration (deification) that has persisted to reassure law enforcement. They needed to be uplifted and encouraged and I participated in that too.
Now however it's past time to stop deifying law enforcement to defend them from being derided by liberal hippies of the 60's and 70's. Many in law enforcement need to understand what the words "protect and serve" means in the context of understanding what being a citizen means and that citizens should not be considered criminals just because it fits some model or desire. The "liberal hippies" are now in power and sign law enforcement's checks and the guy who signs the checks.....well, you know the rest of the story.
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Hi;
Posted in another forum.....
www.callthecops.net
Supposedly, all this hype of CT State Police and confrontation with a woman is Bogus ?
Anybody here verify ?
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One thing that does give me hope is that the left are pretty much cowardly bullies and cowardly bullies are pretty easy to defeat once you push back. I am thinking they won't have the fortitude to actually enforce their insane laws in CT. As MB said on his podcast, it will be one of those laws that's on the books but only selectively enforced. Several years from now it will be overturned in the courts.
Read history and abandon that hope .
Political violence is ALWAYS started by the left.
Moderates and conservatives protest like the Tea Party.
Liberals riot.
There has NEVER been a US President shot by a conservative.
Not one mass killer in the US has been a conservative, and that includes Timothy McViegh.
Even the interwar violence in Germany was started not by the Nazi's, but by the communist "Spartacists".
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Read history and abandon that hope .
Political violence is ALWAYS started by the left.
Moderates and conservatives protest like the Tea Party.
Liberals riot.
There has NEVER been a US President shot by a conservative.
Not one mass killer in the US has been a conservative, and that includes Timothy McViegh.
Even the interwar violence in Germany was started not by the Nazi's, but by the communist "Spartacists".
That's a very good point.
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Conservatives, even the most "right wing" of South American military Junta's, even the Nazi's, were proponents of "Law and Order".
The laws may not be "fair" or just, but they were implemented with in the rules of the system, and they were enforced evenly .
Liberals ALWAYS engage in violence, whether its the "Red terror" of the French Revolution, or the LA riots.
"Democracy" is nothing but Mob rule and the Mob ALWAYS turns violent.