Assasinating US Citizens

[MAUSERMAN]

F them all if they help our enemies. I dont care who they are.

[philw]

F them all if they help our enemies. I dont care who they are.

That works for me.
And as it should be.
Will the lefties, do-gooders and apologists let the real people run the place and do what is needed to protect what we have

[Timothy]

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Posted without comment!

[twyacht]

Please read my other post Tom,.... the same Tom who called for the NYC rage protesters to be beat until the sh** ran down their legs,....where was your concern for their rights to a trial?

After the beating?

*****

Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair has testified to Congress that if intelligence officials believe there's a need to kill an American citizen operating with a terrorist organization, a process exists to authorize such an action.

"We take direct action against terrorists in the intelligence community," Blair told the House Intelligence Committee on Feb. 3, 2010. "If ... we think that direct action will involve killing an American, we get specific permission to do that."

Guess who AUTHORIZED Alwaki's death?

He got what he deserved.

[Solus]

We shoot them to eliminate an immediate threat, when they leave and go to the next town we allow the Constitutionally defined legal process to deal with them.

First off, last I heard the "war zone was Iraq and Afghanistan, we aren't involved in Yemen,
Second, there is a big difference between the US govt saying we need to hit this target, and what they actually said which was, "We need to kill this US citizen"
I'm surprised that some one who is such a stickler about "Property rights"  is so willing to piss on rights of some one else just because you don't approve of him.

]
Don't even go there with me. How many years did you serve ?

It was your kind of thinking , "They're not shitting on me, f*ck the other guy" that allowed Hitler to have his way.
Obama has you hypocrites pegged.

Not necessarily true...at least not for me.

If I knew there was a serial killer loose in the area and I saw him kill my neighbors and then start to escape, I'd take him down in an instant if I had the chancel  

It might not be legal, but it would be the right thing to do for me.

I remember when I started thinking about this situation and made the decision that I would stop them.

Magnum P.I. episode where a Communist brain washer got to Magnum's buddy who flew the helicopter while they were POWs.

The buddy had post hypnotic suggestions and the bad guy triggered it and ordered the buddy to use the  helicopter to assassinate a group of VIPs in a meeting.  

Well, Magnum stopped his buddy and tracked down the bad guy, catching up with him in the wilds on one of the islands.

Magnum had the drop on  him and the guy said, you can't stop me.  I will get away and you cannot kill me because that wouldn't be the "American Way".  

The last scene of the episode was a view of the muzzle of Magnum's 1911....and you were wondering how it would end.   It ended with the muzzle blast as he fired.

He knew the man had killed, not personally, but directed the killing, before and that he would again and he stopped it.  It was illegal and he would probably be convicted if he went to trial, but it was the right thing to do.  The bad guy wasn't a US citizen, but that doesn't matter.  If he were a US citizen, his plans would still be the same.

[Sponsor]

[crusader rabbit]

Tom has it absolutely correct.  No president has the constitutional authority to call for the execution of an American citizen without a trial--no matter how heinous, vile, or immoral the acts of that citizen may be.

By assigning the title of terrorist, and calling for Al Awlaki's murder, the prez overstepped his lawful authority as commander in chief.  It's as simple as that. 

Bogan could be next in line for assassination.  Crusader Rabbit could be next.  Haz could certainly be on the list.  Almost any of us on this board could likely qualify for assassination since we are (for the most part) freedom loving gun toters who dislike intrusive government and who have already been called terrorists by our own government. TAB probably wouldn't make the list. (IMHO)

The point is, if you support the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, you don't get to overlook some provisions when you think somebody needs killing.  Those documents were written to protect the rights of all citizens--most importantly, those with whom we most disagree.

Now, with all that said, am I sad Al Awlaki has been sent to hell?  Absolutely not.  But it should have been done correctly and according to Hoyle. 

That's all I'm sayin'

[Solus]

Tom has it absolutely correct.  No president has the constitutional authority to call for the execution of an American citizen without a trial--no matter how heinous, vile, or immoral the acts of that citizen may be.

By assigning the title of terrorist, and calling for Al Awlaki's murder, the prez overstepped his lawful authority as commander in chief.  It's as simple as that. 

Bogan could be next in line for assassination.  Crusader Rabbit could be next.  Haz could certainly be on the list.  Almost any of us on this board could likely qualify for assassination since we are (for the most part) freedom loving gun toters who dislike intrusive government and who have already been called terrorists by our own government. TAB probably wouldn't make the list. (IMHO)

The point is, if you support the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, you don't get to overlook some provisions when you think somebody needs killing.  Those documents were written to protect the rights of all citizens--most importantly, those with whom we most disagree.

Now, with all that said, am I sad Al Awlaki has been sent to hell?  Absolutely not.  But it should have been done correctly and according to Hoyle. 

That's all I'm sayin'

We know where Bogan lives and have assets in place to arrest him.

Is kidnapping a US citizen allowed?   Seems we would need someone with jurisdiction to arrest this guy...or start extradition procedures, with what ever chance they have of being successful and no matter how long it might take.  All the while this guy is beating the drum for terrorists to attack Americans.   

As for the Tin Foil Hats....   If the government is assassinating people just to cover for them selves, that is wrong regardless of the citizenship of the one assassinated.   If, however, he is a traitor by his actions and deeds, down he goes.

We have considerable proof about him being a traitor and very little to show he might only have been an embarrassment.   

[CJS3]

I guess I missed it.

Bogan could be next in line for assassination.  Crusader Rabbit could be next.  Haz could certainly be on the list.  Almost any of us on this board could likely qualify for assassination since we are (for the most part) freedom loving gun toters who dislike intrusive government and who have already been called terrorists by our own government. TAB probably wouldn't make the list. (IMHO)

When did you guys call for the overthrow of the US government? What terror strikes did you plan and try to carry out? Who did you encourage to attack unarmed soilders (13 dead, 29 wounded)? When did you renounce the Constitution and your citizenship? Anwar al-Aulaqi did all of those things.

We didn't kill an American citizen, we killed an enemy commander, and yes, Yemen is a war zone. The whole world is a war zone, and if Americans don't understand that, then we've already lost.

[tombogan03884]

I guess I missed it.

When did you guys call for the overthrow of the US government? What terror strikes did you plan and try to carry out? Who did you encourage to attack unarmed soilders (13 dead, 29 wounded)? When did you renounce the Constitution and your citizenship? Anwar al-Aulaqi did all of those things.

We didn't kill an American citizen, we killed an enemy commander, and yes, Yemen is a war zone. The whole world is a war zone, and if Americans don't understand that, then we've already lost.

I can't speak for any one else but I advocate the overthrow of the current regime pretty much every time the subject comes up.
Granted there is a difference between overthrowing a form of Govt , and removing a group of politicians who are violating the rules.

Please read my other post Tom,.... the same Tom who called for the NYC rage protesters to be beat until the sh** ran down their legs,....where was your concern for their rights to a trial?

After the beating?

*****

Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair has testified to Congress that if intelligence officials believe there's a need to kill an American citizen operating with a terrorist organization, a process exists to authorize such an action.

"We take direct action against terrorists in the intelligence community," Blair told the House Intelligence Committee on Feb. 3, 2010. "If ... we think that direct action will involve killing an American, we get specific permission to do that."

Guess who AUTHORIZED Alwaki's death?

He got what he deserved.

The National defense act of 1947, which authorized the CIA , specifically prohibits them from acting against US citizens. That is the job of the FBI, by law.
So the person who authorized Alwaki's murder had no more authority to do so than I do.

Not necessarily true...at least not for me.

If I knew there was a serial killer loose in the area and I saw him kill my neighbors and then start to escape, I'd take him down in an instant if I had the chancel  

It might not be legal, but it would be the right thing to do for me.

I remember when I started thinking about this situation and made the decision that I would stop them.

Magnum P.I. episode where a Communist brain washer got to Magnum's buddy who flew the helicopter while they were POWs.

The buddy had post hypnotic suggestions and the bad guy triggered it and ordered the buddy to use the  helicopter to assassinate a group of VIPs in a meeting.  

Well, Magnum stopped his buddy and tracked down the bad guy, catching up with him in the wilds on one of the islands.

Magnum had the drop on  him and the guy said, you can't stop me.  I will get away and you cannot kill me because that wouldn't be the "American Way".  

The last scene of the episode was a view of the muzzle of Magnum's 1911....and you were wondering how it would end.   It ended with the muzzle blast as he fired.

He knew the man had killed, not personally, but directed the killing, before and that he would again and he stopped it.  It was illegal and he would probably be convicted if he went to trial, but it was the right thing to do.  The bad guy wasn't a US citizen, but that doesn't matter.  If he were a US citizen, his plans would still be the same.

You gotta be sh!tting me.
Are you actually basing your interpretation of law on a  TV show ?
Have you started smoking crack ?

    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.

[Timothy]

You gotta be sh!tting me.
Are you actually basing your interpretation of law on a  TV show ?

You beat me to it Tom..

I like Selleck, even watched the episode in the post back then but letting Hollywood decide social conscience is a bit off the mark!

I don't think he was thinking the law Tom, just used the show as an analogy of how it changed his viewpoint on whether to take the shot or let an asshole breath fresh air anymore.  Correct me if I'm wrong Solus!

for the record, I'm glad he's dead and I hope there's video but I gotta go with the Constitution and my interpretation of said amendment!