Poll

Who you plan on supporting and why!

Perry
1 (4.5%)
Cain
17 (77.3%)
Romney
0 (0%)
Gingrich
1 (4.5%)
Santorum
0 (0%)
Paul
2 (9.1%)
Bachmann
0 (0%)
Huntsman
0 (0%)
Anyone else I missed
1 (4.5%)

Total Members Voted: 19


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Re: The candidates!
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2011, 06:17:38 PM »
I like Cains business background along with him not being a lifelong politician. But as I always say its not the president but the people around him that makes a great Government.
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Re: The candidates!
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2011, 07:38:44 PM »
OK, I am fully prepared for the flack I am about to take, but.....

Registering independent is a cop out. Pull the fence post out of your ass and pick a side. Being able to register as an independent is just another attempt by the left at political correctness. That way you don't upset anyone by actually taking a stand.



Valid point and I debate that one with myself.  I would like to be able to have a say in a primary and since I vote primarily R that is where I'd go.  Problem is, I can't see myself being a lock-step <insert favorite party> voter.  I try to get as much information as I can about a candidate or issue and vote my conscience regardless of whose "side" that happens to put me.

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Re: The candidates!
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2011, 08:16:59 PM »
I registered "I" after the 2008 cluster(f)....The Rep. Party,...The Lindsey Graham's , McCain's, and the escalation of RINO's left a bitter taste in my mouth.

However, moving back to FL. in Oct. 08, (and buying a 9mm on Nov 9th,), I realized a couple things.

Independents, that the media hypes as "swing voters" are really not. Most are middle right folks that agree with less gov't, lower taxes, and leave me the hell alone so I can work my fingers to the bone and take care of my family.

All this, and being "restricted" from party primaries and votes, with NO "I" candidates.

My wife and I recently changed our Voter Reg. back to Rep. so I can at least vote for candidate I want....Not "have to vote" for one chosen.

It's a rigged game, McCain was not my choice, but I missed on the chance to vote for another. Not this time....

Plus, if tyranny wins again, I still have a vote.





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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2011, 08:33:54 PM »
Valid point and I debate that one with myself.  I would like to be able to have a say in a primary and since I vote primarily R that is where I'd go.  Problem is, I can't see myself being a lock-step <insert favorite party> voter.  I try to get as much information as I can about a candidate or issue and vote my conscience regardless of whose "side" that happens to put me.

Just cause yer registered R doesn't mean ya gotta vote 'in lock step', BUT it does give ya a say in who yer R choices might be (like instead of McCain!).
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Re: The candidates!
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2011, 08:41:07 PM »
I don't know how other states work but in NH you can register at the door, R or D for the primary then I if you want for the election.

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Re: The candidates!
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2011, 07:05:46 AM »
Cain.  However, I reserve the right to change should the situation warrant between now and the Hawkeye Caucii.
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2011, 09:05:21 AM »
I don't know how other states work but in NH you can register at the door, R or D for the primary then I if you want for the election.

Unfortunately, that's how we got McCain last time around. People switching their registration at the door to vote in the REP. primary. Democrats gave us the Rep. candidate, and then he self destructed his own candidacy.

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Re: The candidates!
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2011, 09:07:59 AM »
Unfortunately, that's how we got McCain last time around. People switching their registration at the door to vote in the REP. primary. Democrats gave us the Rep. candidate, and then he self destructed his own candidacy.



That, and Huckabee tossing in the towel after the Virginia primary and throwing his support behind McCain.  McCain should have never been there.  There was a backroom deal there that never materialized because of the outcome of the election.

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Re: The candidates!
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2011, 09:40:03 AM »
I have not read this article yet, so I don't know how accurate it may be.

http://news.yahoo.com/campaign-whisperers-031500361.html

Mitt Romney’s economic advisers are as squarely establishment as he is.

This is reassuring to old-school conservatives like New York Times columnist David Brooks, who calls them the “gold standard of adviser teams,” and it could appeal to middle-of-the-road voters in a general election. They aren’t purists or populists, but then, Republican primary voters already know Romney’s not that guy.

The people who whisper advice into a candidate’s ear don’t usually get much attention, but they were a hot topic at Tuesday’s GOP debate on the economy. Asked whom they’d rely on for economic guidance, the candidates gave answers ranging from “the American people” (Herman Cain) to “my own father” (Jon Huntsman) to pioneering conservative economist Milton Friedman (who is unavailable; he died in 2006). That last came from Romney, perhaps trying to soften the impact of who his advisers really are—two Ivy League academics and two Capitol Hill veterans who are as mainstream as they come.

Rick Perry, who will unveil his economic plan starting with an energy speech on Friday, did not get a chance to answer that question during the New Hampshire debate. But his campaign told me Wednesday that Steve Forbes is among those advising the Texas governor. Forbes, chairman and editor in chief of Forbes Media, ran for president in 1996 and 2000 and pushed both times for a flat tax, private Social Security accounts, and medical savings accounts.

The most obscure name that came up onstage was Rich Lowrie, a Cleveland-area wealth manager for Wells Fargo—not to be confused with National Review editor Rich Lowry. Lowrie is Cain’s senior economic adviser and the man who helped him work up the 9-9-9 plan that’s drawing new scrutiny as Cain surges and even leads in some state and national polls. Lowrie has a degree in accounting, not economics, from Case Western Reserve University. He served three years on the advisory board of the conservative group Americans for Prosperity, backed by the billionaire Koch brothers, at a time when Cain headed its “Prosperity Expansion Project.” Lowrie is now on the advisory board of the American Conservative Union.

The 9-9-9 plan would replace the current tax code with a 9 percent national sales tax, a 9 percent individual income tax, and a 9 percent corporate income tax. Lowrie has been playing defense on Twitter as Cain’s rivals go on the attack. It was back to the future—and supply-side economics—Wednesday when Lowrie retweeted praise from Karol Hansen, a Southern California wife, mother, Sunday school teacher, and author of a children’s book called Easter Egg Hunt for Jesus. “I respect Art Laffer who was one of Reagan’s economic advisors and he says he likes the 9-9-9 plan very much!” she tweeted.

Cain, who is running a shoestring campaign, said he has other advisers but declined to name them.

The Romney brain trust includes Columbia Business School dean Glenn Hubbard and Harvard professor Gregory Mankiw, each of whom served as chief economic adviser to George W. Bush. Also on the team are two former swing-state members of Congress: former Sen. Jim Talent of Missouri, now a defense expert at the Heritage Foundation, and former Rep. Vin Weber of Minnesota, a lobbyist and GOP strategist. All were lying low on Wednesday.

Both economists have displayed flashes of ideological independence. Hubbard was influential in designing Bush’s signature 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. But he has said he grew uneasy about the tax cuts as deficit spending surged during Bush’s eight years on such big-ticket items as the Medicare prescription drug benefit. Hubbard told The Washington Post’s Ezra Klein last December that he does not support a permanent extension of the Bush-era rates.

In a July interview with Fortune, Hubbard said he was “mystified by both sides’ emphasis on the Bush tax cuts as if those are religious articles to either attack at one side or defend on the other. What we need is tax reform…” He suggested going after deductions and other “tax expenditures” to wring more revenue from the tax system in the near term.

That’s what Romney did as governor of Massachusetts—scour the tax code for corporate loopholes—and it did not endear him to conservatives or the business community. Still, some national conservatives, such as Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK), have been open to the idea, given the soaring national debt and Republican resistance to raising tax rates.

Documentary lovers may recall Hubbard from his cameo in the 2010 film Inside Job. He lost his temper on camera when director Charles Ferguson asked him if there was a potential conflict of interest in his unreported consulting work for financial-services firms. “This isn’t a deposition, sir. I was polite enough to give you time, foolishly, I now see. But you have three more minutes. Give it your best shot,” Hubbard snapped.

The academic had another moment in the spotlight at Tuesday night’s Washington Post/Bloomberg debate, when Perry told Romney that Hubbard, “your chief economic adviser… who you know well, he said that Romneycare was Obamacare. And Romneycare has driven the cost of small-business insurance premiums up by 14 percent over the national average…”

Romney said his plan is not like Obama’s and added that “Glenn Hubbard is a fine fellow.” But a 2010 paper co-authored by Hubbard backs up Perry’s points. “Because the [Massachusetts] Plan’s main components are the same as those of the new health reform law, the effects of the Plan provide a window onto the country’s future,” the authors wrote. They said the Massachusetts experience suggests that federal policymakers “should be concerned” about the impact of the law on the cost of private insurance.

Mankiw succeeded Hubbard in the Bush White House despite objections on the right. Stephen Moore at National Review upbraided him for calling Ronald Reagan’s supply-side advisers “charlatans and cranks” and said it didn’t matter if his views had since changed because he had already been “indoctrinating young economists with wrongheaded thinking.” Mankiw says he’s also been attacked from the left, by liberals who say his ideas are right-wing propaganda. He says his teaching reflects “the economic mainstream,” which he defines as slightly right of center.

As for Romney’s other two advisers, Talent is a supporter of robust defense spending whose views are reflected in Romney’s call to build more ships, ramp up missile defense, add 100,000 troops, and raise military spending from 3.8 percent to 4 percent of gross domestic product. Weber is the fifth most influential lobbyist in Washington, or at least he was in 2007, according to Washingtonian magazine. Being a lobbyist is not a selling point, but Weber has another credential, one that Romney sorely needs. Elected to the House in 1980, he was a soldier in Reagan’s supply-side revolution.

In the end, Romney will win or lose the nomination on his own. But his gold-plated economic team may give conservatives yet another reason to be wary of him.

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Re: The candidates!
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2011, 09:59:44 AM »
Still, I find the choices rather scary. I agree that Obama has to go but there has to be someone who can sway the vote in a positive way.

 

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