Ranger and Black Talon ammo?

[2HOW]

I presently carry Black Talons in my .40, I bought up all I could b4 they stopped production. They are a little older than I like so I'm shooting them up and moving to another round. The ranger sxt is supposed to out perform the talon, if you can find them. Federals HST is said to be the best round on the market, who knows.

[Rastus]

Some conflicting information around this thread.  What's the straight skinny?

Also...I like the Expanding Full Metal Jackets that Federal has out...more like blunt trauma. 

[jaybet]

These bullets are not in any way illegal to own or use, but I personally would not use them.

It would not be very difficult for a trial lawyer to use them to sway a jury. I know I would personally hate to be sitting in court and have an attorney going on and on to a jury about how I shot someone with those "evil black bullets", or have a jury go into deliberation and talk about why I was carrying "Cop Killers".

JMHO

I have to agree with this...I've read some experts that preach that you should use ammo used by the local pd and you use a stock pistol for carry. Fancy, deadly ammo and a lot of do-it-yourself tweaking to a pistol to lighten the trigger or whatever can be THE BEST ammo for a prosecutor looking to put you away for defending yourself. A trigger job by a gunsmith is understandable, but a lot of custom tweaking can be twisted into malicious intent...you were just "itchin'" for the chance.

[Big Frank]

I have to agree with this...I've read some experts that preach that you should use ammo used by the local pd and you use a stock pistol for carry. Fancy, deadly ammo and a lot of do-it-yourself tweaking to a pistol to lighten the trigger or whatever can be THE BEST ammo for a prosecutor looking to put you away for defending yourself. A trigger job by a gunsmith is understandable, but a lot of custom tweaking can be twisted into malicious intent...you were just "itchin'" for the chance.

+1 on jaybethel and ericire12. That's why you should NEVER use reloaded ammo in your carry gun either. Regular ammo not deadly enough? Trying to REALLY mess people up? I'd hate to be tried under those circumstances.

Black Talons were IMO one of the very best of the "magic bullets" ever made to meet FBI standards. The reverse taper jacket was more important to the design than the black color or the talons. I think Hydra-Shoks were the first to pass the FBI tests and were followed soon after by Black Talons, Starfires, Golden Sabers, XTPs, and all the rest. They're all great bullets that are tough enough to penetrate glass and sheet metal and will still expand. I just wouldn't carry the Black Talons for the already stated reason when the rest of the group perform about the same.

[2HOW]

+1 on jaybethel and ericire12. That's why you should NEVER use reloaded ammo in your carry gun either. Regular ammo not deadly enough? Trying to REALLY mess people up? I'd hate to be tried under those circumstances.

Actually there has never been an issue of reloaded rounds in any court in any state. In a justiifiable shooting. So a lawyer has said on another forum.

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[ericire12]

Actually there has never been an issue of reloaded rounds in any court in any state. In a justiifiable shooting. So a lawyer has said on another forum.

Consider the source (Anonymous guy on the Internet)

[Fatman]

Consider the source (Anonymous guy on the Internet)

Worse. Anonymous lawyer.

[2HOW]

I sure we would of heard about it. Im trying to find the link, Its been awhile , sorry.

[TAB]

Nice pics. Some doctors were whining about how the claws could cut through two pairs of rubber gloves when they pulled bullets out of someone. They were woried about getting diseases. I say quit whining and use forceps like anyone else would.

thats the biggest load of crap I have heard( I've heard it before)  When  person is shot, there is a very good chance there will be lots of very sharp things in the wound, hell bone fragments can be almost as sharp as a razor.  I bet those are encounters alot more often then an "killer bullet".   Thats all political BS, Anyone that uses thier profession to further thier political agenda, needs to be bared from that profession.

[ericire12]

thats the biggest load of crap I have heard( I've heard it before)  When  person is shot, there is a very good chance there will be lots of very sharp things in the wound, hell bone fragments can be almost as sharp as a razor.  I bet those are encounters alot more often then an "killer bullet".   Thats all political BS, Anyone that uses thier profession to further thier political agenda, needs to be bared from that profession.

I agree. Can we put congressmen at the front of that line?