For your freinds that think it can't happen here....

[gunman42782]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4&mode=related&search

[red rider]

Oh man, that makes me so damned mad! I've heard the story of that little old lady before, but not seen the footage. That was just wrong in every way, those cops should be ashamed of themselves.

Ultimate responsibility is on the shoulders of the leaders of their community, but the cops had no business in tackling that woman.

The cops were instructed to  confiscate the guns, they were just blindly following orders, I suppose they could have walked off the job if they disagreed with the policy, or more easily, turned a blind eye to the law abiding citizens protecting their lives and property.

What happens next time? Next earthquake, tornado, or other disaster? I dont want to give up any of mine as I'm sure no one else here does. Where is the line you've drawn?

[garand4life]

If this were to happen again, what can you do? When you have LE on the doorstep armed and demanding your firearms what do you do?

[Pathfinder]

Tom Gresham interviewed the author of The Great New Orleans Gun Grab last Sunday, and as I listened in the car, I became more and more furious at what was done - and how willingly police from around the country helped out. As one LA resident pointed out, "Do you think those guys traveled all the way from New York City and didn't want to shoot someone?" Tom devoted almost half of his 3 hours to this one interview.

And the assaults didn't stop once in custody. One man in NO, a well-known local figure and lawyer, was shot 4 times with beanbag rounds while in the jail cell - for loudly protesting his arrest. Assaulted with a firearm because he was annoying the guard. The lawyer had just that noon filed a class-action lawsuit against NO and LA to stop the police state actions.

Gresham and the author both agreed when you have MP5's pointed at your chest, you give up your firearms. Otherwise you end up a martyr. Gresham made the observation in the form of a question that maybe this means you have some firearms somewhere else. That question was sadly not pursued.

Our police forces have been militarized to an absolutely unacceptable degree. That change has attracted a very undesirable element into the forces, people who crave the "action", people looking for their "big case" to move up the ladder, people who are more than willing to obey any order - legal or otherwise (there was no basis in LA or NO law for Nagin's and the Chief's orders).

This is a major problem for us and others who believe in all of our freedoms, something we would do well to address now rather than when it hits the fan. Any ideas on how to deal with this issue?

[2HOW]

Alot of states have put in place the emergency powers act that will not let any type of confiscation take place. Tennessee adopted it recently, along with the castle doctrine that not only applies to the home but the conveyance as well. What happened there was the worst kind of martial law, and I hope the country took a hard look and it will not happen anywhere again. I am sure that there are towns that we would of seen bloodshed if it happened to them.  MOLON LABE

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[Pathfinder]

Alot of states have put in place the emergency powers act that will not let any type of confiscation take place. Tennessee adopted it recently, along with the castle doctrine that not only applies to the home but the conveyance as well. What happened there was the worst kind of martial law, and I hope the country took a hard look and it will not happen anywhere again. I am sure that there are towns that we would of seen bloodshed if it happened to them.  MOLON LABE

What you say is true, and there is a federal law as well, enacted after Katrina and NO's egregious violations. And martial law was never decalred in NO - there is no provision for it under LA law.

My point, however, is that these laws will not prevent problems in the future. Consider:

1. Nothing happened to any of the officers involved in the illegal seizures, the assaults on law-abiding citizens, etc. - nothing!. Do you think maybe police officers around the country noticed this? Do you think legal repercussions of their actions will slow them down in the future?

2. We are in the same boat as a woman who has obtained a protective order against an estranged abuser. We have the law on our side, but that is of little consequence when Bubba - without or with a badge - comes through the door with a gun.

3. Molon labe is great, amen, Brother, and all that. At 4 in the morning when the SWAT team comes through your door in force, they have answered your Molon Labe challenge at a point where you are most likely at your weakest. Even in broad daylight, if you are at ease and a van shows up with 4 armed and armored police, you have some serious thinking to do in virtually no time, to react how you wish.

As Congress passes more and more laws - and SCOTUS upholds them like McCain-Feingold - our rights, freedoms and liberties have been and continue to be seriously eroded. As I mentioned on another post a long time ago, I believe the police have been hardened and militarized for a reason - they will be on the front lines when the gummint really gets serious about taking over. And the police officers who will refuse the unlawful orders are fewer and fewer each year.

[gunman42782]

I tell you guys, you can think I am full of hot air, I don't really care.  I take Patrick Henry's "Give me Liberty of give me Death" speech very seriously.  If we can not live as free men then death is preferable to slavery.  If someone is trying to take away your guns that you have every legal and moral right to have, then that person is just as much a predator as the mugger in the street, no matter is he is a cop or not.  I respect the police, please do not get me wrong, I have even thought about being a cop myself.  But, the rights in the Bill of Rights take top priority over any other law. 

[drifter44]

I am in total agreement with Pathfinder about the state of most Police Departments. As we all get older the policemen get younger and know less about the Bill of Rights. There is no easy answer to things like what happened in New Orleans. We have no guarantee that the laws enacted to prevent illegal seizures will be followed anyway. 
Remember   Fear the Government That Fears Your Guns.

[MikeBjerum]

I have read these posts over and over and over ..., and I have watched the video a few times trying to think what I would have done differently being any one of the participants.  I thought back to my days in school (elementary, jr. high, sr. high and college) and the teachings on or founding Fathers.  I have reread some articles on why our Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights are written the way they are.  I have even read these documents.

Yesterday and today were supposed to be days where I tried to relax a little between visits with in-laws that don't agree with my political views, and then someone needs to post a message that turns my "down time" into an educational experience.  DAMN  YOU   and  THANK YOU  Gunman!

Is it not situations just like what took place in these videos part of the reason that or Founding Fathers felt the citizens needed to be armed.  Is it possible that this type of tyranny and what it can lead to, and this type of corruption that our former leaders wanted us to be able to resist?  Is this the type of action they feared could lead to abusive monarchy, or as we know it today - dictatorship?

I'm not suggesting that we all resist on a whim or as a reflex in the face of this type of corruption, but I am saying that this shows the reason we all need to have a plan of how to protect supplies for our essential needs in case of "attacks" of this type.  I live by my Boy Scout training "Be Prepared," and wonder where to go with that in the face of this video.  As a Christian I remember the letter to the Romans where it is stated that all government is by God, and we are to be subject to it.  However, Jesus is also quoted as when to place government behind us because of their abuses and corruption.

I don't have answers at this time, and I generate more questions the more I read, study, reflect, and even type this.  This type of open revelation, discussion and debate is what I come here for.  Thank you for this thread and for the forum to share opinions.

[WILLIAM A FARLEY Jr.]

IT IS REALLY BAD OR A SHAME. WHEN LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT HAVE LACK OF GOOD SENSE! IT IS COMING TO THE POINT, IN
THE NEAR...FUTURE. TH IS WILL HAPPEN AGAIN.