The next election

[santahog]

You most certainly will wind up in the shredder because you gave up your right to a say in order to push an agenda that most voters either don't give a crap about, or else they support your enemies.
If you can not set aside meaningless side issues to join forces with those who would agree with you on larger issues then you are probably to much of a pig headed bigot to deserve a voice anyway.

^The biggest separation of church and State is to make Spiritual choices based on Spiritual beliefs, and make secular decisions based on secular realities, and being able to tell the difference between the 2.

CHRISTIAN! PIG!! DIE!!!
lets see. Meaningless? Pig headed bigot? I seem to remember something about deserving to lose my right to vote?
That makes you an open minded, tolerant patriot?
Am I getting that straight? 
Sounds to me like you're looking for allies on the wrong side here.. Bob Beckell, Obama, A-jad all echo the kind of sentiment you feel so deeply. Maybe you've found your coalition and just haven't realized it yet!

[tombogan03884]

CHRISTIAN! PIG!! DIE!!!
lets see. Meaningless? Pig headed bigot? I seem to remember something about deserving to lose my right to vote?
That makes you an open minded, tolerant patriot?
Am I getting that straight? 
Sounds to me like you're looking for allies on the wrong side here.. Bob Beckell, Obama, A-jad all echo the kind of sentiment you feel so deeply. Maybe you've found your coalition and just haven't realized it yet!

If you weren't, as I pointed out earlier, pig headed, you would have noticed that those people you mentioned have done something your self righteousness has failed miserably at.
They won.

[Rastus]

The claim of self-righteousness must have a foundation in one's belief in their own righteousness to the exclusion of God.  The foundation of belief that righteousness is of God and to follow that is not self-righteousness.

Santahog...here we go, treated by conservatives like the crazy old uncle.  You know...as conservative we complain about the RINO's taking us for granted and not standing up for principles....it's important to note that Christians will not be immune to that from those conservative who share many of our beliefs and who want to silence us.

We want to avoid being drawn into meaningless discussion with liberals on the most important issues of God, unborn life, etc.  It's a trap if we go into something like that thinking we are prepared by preparing in advance for something like that.....be as wise as a serpent and as harmless as a dove.   Not that we should not have discussion on such things....but when it is not meant to be a debate it's important to not play their game as some politicians have ineptly done because everything will be blown out of context to serve the liberal cause.  I'm really ready to hear a politician tell some talking head they don't want to play the trap game and ask the talking head why they are intolerant liars.  Leave at that and leave.

[tombogan03884]

Yes, you are treated like the retarded cousin because you cost us elections we would have otherwise won.

[santahog]

Rastus, I'm good! I'm just pointing out that this is the ground I occupy. You know where to find me.. 

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[Rastus]

Yes, you are treated like the retarded cousin because you cost us elections we would have otherwise won.

A lack of moral compass and leadership lost the election.  It's like the last governor of OK said concerning casinos, forget your principals and do what's right for OK...he was a lawyer, of course.

So no, I will not check my principals.  They are the foundation and they will not be swayed. 

[crusader rabbit]

So, getting somewhat back on topic here...

We may never see another election. 

Odamna's nominee for CIA director is apparently a mooslim convert. (see:  http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/343157) If he gets approved, and it is highly likely given the lack of spines seen in Congress of late, we would potentially have a direct pipeline of information to our sworn enemies.

I know, I know...  He's not a "radical" mooslim who wants to behead everyone who's not mooslim.  He's just a normal, good guy mooslim who only wants to behead the radical infidels and who just wants to enslave the others.

And Tom, this is why Christian values are so very important.  We are already at war with those who would destroy us and we are not winning.  The progressives were just the advance troops who just wanted our money and our guns.  The mooslims want our heads.

I weep for my country,

Crusader Rabbit 

[santahog]

Yes, you are treated like the retarded cousin because you cost us elections we would have otherwise won.

Is this the guy whose favor and blessing we should seek to gain for our cause o Constitutional liberty?
I'm sure he'll help. Maybe Michael can ask him next time he sees him..
http://kdvr.com/2013/02/07/civil-unions-set-for-senate-debate-friday/
You never know! Allies can be found anywhere these days!
We live in plentiful times in that regard..
Okay.. I'm done with this one..
Have a good day..

[MikeBjerum]

I will not flat out say that we will not have a Presidential Election in 2016, but I fear anything is possible and on the table.

As far as some of the discussion in recent posts:

1.  Debates need to be held to focused and factual debate regardless of the games the other side plays;
2.  Interviews need to give facts, and every lie or misinformation from the opposing side demands a stoppage and correction of statements;
3.  We need to quit only looking at new programs, but also be willing to look back and undo bad choices enacted;
4.  We need to openly state our foundational beliefs - Where our values come from:  Our religious faith, our founding fathers, etc.  Our faith is what grounds us, and without naming Scripture I will paraphrase:  I would rather have a person grounded in ANY faith than acting on popular polls.

This nation was built, grown, and maintained by men of determination and resolve.  They made tough choices, and they purposely built a system that gives no single individual or branch total power, and made sure there would be gridlock to slow things and avoid hast in legislation.

Short version:

Craft your list of issues from "drop dead" to "would be nice", and prepare to fight in priority with a take no prisoners attitude.

[tombogan03884]

I will not flat out say that we will not have a Presidential Election in 2016, but I fear anything is possible and on the table.

As far as some of the discussion in recent posts:

1.  Debates need to be held to focused and factual debate regardless of the games the other side plays;
2.  Interviews need to give facts, and every lie or misinformation from the opposing side demands a stoppage and correction of statements;
3.  We need to quit only looking at new programs, but also be willing to look back and undo bad choices enacted;
4.  We need to openly state our foundational beliefs - Where our values come from:  Our religious faith, our founding fathers, etc.  Our faith is what grounds us, and without naming Scripture I will paraphrase:  I would rather have a person grounded in ANY faith than acting on popular polls.

This nation was built, grown, and maintained by men of determination and resolve.  They made tough choices, and they purposely built a system that gives no single individual or branch total power, and made sure there would be gridlock to slow things and avoid hast in legislation.

Short version:

Craft your list of issues from "drop dead" to "would be nice", and prepare to fight in priority with a take no prisoners attitude.

That is exactly the one that needs to be dropped from campaigning .
Because the first one that comes up every single time is abortion, and in case none of you have noticed over the last 30 or 40 years that is YOUR "3rd Rail".  The Dems use it to play you like a fish, and you never learn.
Do you hear the Dems campaigning for raising your taxes raising unemployment, exporting jobs and devastating the military ?
Wake up and pick the fights you can win .
How many times do I have to say it before it sinks in ?
Until you get into power your beliefs mean nothing .