Hollow Point Ammunition Is Good To Go Against Muslim Jihadists

[billt]

The military is adapting it.

"A military lawyer who made a presentation during the Industry Day noted that the United States is not a signatory to the Hague Conventions which outlawed the use of “dum-dum” and expanding bullets more than a century ago."

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2015/07/08/u-s-military-makes-monumental-shift-hollowpoint-pistol-ammunition/

[tombogan03884]

Even if we were we haven't fought any other signatory since May 1945.
 Means we can also use shot guns, flame throwers, cluster bombs and land mines all of which are regulated by the HC

[Big Frank]

It's about time. I don't know what they were waiting for.

[Majer]

Just have to remember to fill the hollow point with Bacon grease.

[Rastus]

Someone made a gun lube with a pork grease additive...can't remember who it was but I like it.

Maybe someone can replace the plastic tips like are in Critical Defense with hog cartilage? 

[Sponsor]

[Big Frank]

Someone made a gun lube with a pork grease additive...can't remember who it was but I like it.

Maybe someone can replace the plastic tips like are in Critical Defense with hog cartilage?

One shot. One soul. http://www.silverbulletgunoil.net/ There used to be Jihawg ammo with bullets coated with pork infused paint but they went out of business.

[vincewarde]

The military is adapting it.

"A military lawyer who made a presentation during the Industry Day noted that the United States is not a signatory to the Hague Conventions which outlawed the use of “dum-dum” and expanding bullets more than a century ago."

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2015/07/08/u-s-military-makes-monumental-shift-hollowpoint-pistol-ammunition/

The story is old, and the problem is, signatory or not, expanding are not permitted by the current international standards - and therefore we are highly unlikely to use them.  One alternative could be a solid bullet shaped like the Ruger/Polycase projectile - but expanding bullets are a line the US military is unlikely to ever cross.

[billt]

Signed or not, when it comes to the type of ammunition used in war, the entire Hague Convention is born and bred on stupidity. It lacks common sense, and shows politicians were trying to pass, "feel good" legislation even back then. "Kinder, gentler bullets" are idiotic. 12 gauge shotguns, commonly called, "Trench Guns", loaded with 00 Buck have been a common weapon used in every war since WW I. (Possibly even before). The carnage they produce when used close in is devastating. Far worse than any hollow point 9 MM, or .308 soft point.

Even the wounds produced by a fragmented 5.56 MM round are much worse. There is no reason today for any of our armed forces to be using FMJ ammunition in handguns, or any other small arms for that matter. You use what makes the weapon the most effective. Police do on citizens. Why shouldn't the military on our foreign enemies? The whole thing reeks of stupidity. And shows what happens when politicians are allowed to operate beyond their very narrow scope. In this case, they put all 4 wheels in the ditch.

[TAB]

The story is old, and the problem is, signatory or not, expanding are not permitted by the current international standards - and therefore we are highly unlikely to use them.  One alternative could be a solid bullet shaped like the Ruger/Polycase projectile - but expanding bullets are a line the US military is unlikely to ever cross.

we use them now, mainly operators, but the US does use them.  with the advancements in bullets, i see zero reason to not use them.

we still use land mines too, just ours are "smart" and time out.

[tombogan03884]

Bill is wrong, there is a very good, very basic reason for using FMJ, even more so now in the days of combat vests than in the days of cotton or wool uniforms.
PENETRATION.
Think about it, the same principles that apply in hunting apply in war.
 Expanding bullets may be fine for thin skinned game like deer, lions, or antelope, but if you're going after thick skinned animals , like elephant, rhino, or buffalo, you use solids that will penetrate to the vitals.

we use them now, mainly operators, but the US does use them.  with the advancements in bullets, i see zero reason to not use them.

we still use land mines too, just ours are "smart" and time out.

That was the big complaint about mines, they get laid out and mapped then that unit leaves and no one ever knows where they are again until they step on one. Princess Diana was big on the ones in Cambodia and Afghanistan where they are still blowing people up, but oogle the "red zone" in France, I would imagine parts of the former USSR are just as bad. they laid over a million just around Kursk.