Hollow Point Ammunition Is Good To Go Against Muslim Jihadists

[Big Frank]

Don't snipers use hollow point match ammo in their rifles? I haven't heard anyone complaining about that.

[billt]

Gooks in Vietnam ran around shirtless. Towelheads in Iraq and Afghanistan wore little more than a thin layer of linen. High performance expanding pistol ammo would have been a better choice in either case. Same in the whole South Pacific Theater in WW II. Our guys were never even given the option.

[Jim Kennedy-ar154me]

Just have to remember to fill the hollow point with Bacon grease.

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[Rastus]

Don't snipers use hollow point match ammo in their rifles? I haven't heard anyone complaining about that.

"Open tip" as opposed to "hollow point". 

That tripped me up. 

It is the way it's built and/or purposed to improve accuracy.  In the barrier blind SOST ammo the open tip is used to penetrate glass, etc.  with less defection.  That's not to say in the 62 grain MK318 MOD 0 / 5.56 SOST doesn't get a "boost" on target because of the open tip.

A friend of mine who is a trainer was actually in on trials for the SOST and uses it for deer hunting. 

Just my 2 cents....

[tombogan03884]

Bill, time to throw away those Hollyweird DVD's.
The Japanese in the Pacific were equipped just like US troops, or any other army in the entire world.
In fact, people who were there claim some of their gear was better than ours.
What you say about "gooks" may have been occasionally true about the VC, (doubtful in a land of thorns and malaria, but possible) but after Feb 68 there was no VC there were only NVA, and again, they were equipped just like every other army in the world and again some of their gear was considered better than ours.
Do you want to gear up to fight the last war ?
Or would you prefer to be ready for whatever the FUTURE might hold ?
That requires bullets, including pistol caliber, that will penetrate light cover, like you know,  brush, cuz we might possibly fight somewhere other than a freaking desert.

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[billt]

Bill, time to throw away those Hollyweird DVD's.
The Japanese in the Pacific were equipped just like US troops, or any other army in the entire world.
In fact, people who were there claim some of their gear was better than ours.
What you say about "gooks" may have been occasionally true about the VC, (doubtful in a land of thorns and malaria, but possible) but after Feb 68 there was no VC there were only NVA, and again, they were equipped just like every other army in the world and again some of their gear was considered better than ours.
Do you want to gear up to fight the last war ?
Or would you prefer to be ready for whatever the FUTURE might hold ?
That requires bullets, including pistol caliber, that will penetrate light cover, like you know,  brush, cuz we might possibly fight somewhere other than a freaking desert.

My point is how many battles have we fought in recent history, have been negatively effected by lack of penetration, or because the opponent wore body armor? Especially regarding handgun ammunition. Yeah, there were some in the Korean Conflict. But all of those were due to lack of power of the round itself. (.30 M1 Carbine round in Korea). Or else other small caliber, low powered rounds like the .38 Long Colt in the Moro Rebellion. But none of that had to do with defeating body armor. A bad round is a bad round. Even today.

Pistol calibers like the 9 MM have seen drastic man stopping improvement with modern expanding ammunition. There is no question of this. No pistol round will defeat modern Kevlar and Ceramic body armor regardless of the bullet used. So the question then becomes why use FMJ if it won't either? How many enemy soldiers in recent battles have escaped death or injury, because they were wearing body armor, or even heavy clothing?

It's no different with a cop shooting at a bad guy in Duluth, Minnesota in January with his service pistol. He's not going to use FMJ to get through Winter clothing. He'll use the same high performance, hollow point pistol ammunition a cop in Phoenix uses in June. In most every case that will be high performance, expanding ammunition of some type.

[tombogan03884]

Right off the top of my head I would say the failure of .45 sub guns to penetrate jungle growth in the Pacific, or the same problem with 5.56 in Vietnam.

[ellis4538]

billt. I believe the now defunct KTM/KTW? round would defeat non ceramic body armor-Kevlar.  That was the problem when it came out.  It was called the cop killer even though it had never been used against a cop.  I'm sure the technology is out there to reproduce that round and more.

FYI

Richard

[billt]

billt. I believe the now defunct KTM/KTW? round would defeat non ceramic body armor-Kevlar.
Richard

I remember those. Weren't they Teflon coated or some such?

[Majer]

The teflon coating was to protect the barrel of the gun firing the round,had nothing to do with it's ability to go through a ballistic vest.