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Re: Massive Oil Deposit Could Increase U.S. Reserve by 10X
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2008, 06:38:34 PM »
We used to steal cigarettes and beer and go out in the woods and smoke and drink. We would also try and coax a girl or two to join us.  We were so stupid... :-[



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Re: Massive Oil Deposit Could Increase U.S. Reserve by 10X
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2008, 07:47:30 PM »
There is more oil and gas available but is expensive and would take a long time to get online.
Bottom line is the peak of supply has been met and supply is decreasing and demand increasing.
Natural gas will end from Canada in 8-10 years.
Major change in life style will happen.
Odds are the government will make it worse.

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Re: Massive Oil Deposit Could Increase U.S. Reserve by 10X
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2008, 07:55:58 PM »
There is more oil and gas available but is expensive and would take a long time to get online.
Bottom line is the peak of supply has been met and supply is decreasing and demand increasing.
Natural gas will end from Canada in 8-10 years.
Major change in life style will happen.
Odds are the government will make it worse.

Sorry,

I don't subscribe to 'peak oil'.
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« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2008, 09:53:28 PM »
........I don't subscribe to 'peak oil'.
You probably should subscibe to it kewl cat.  The key is to look at it by producing basin then basins within a producing entity (or country).  The thing that kicked us out a bit on the curve was the deep-water Gulf of Mexico that was unobtainable by early technology when the "King Hubbert" curve was out.  Also....those deepwater GOM reserves postponed the increase in oil prices by about 2-4 years.  The reservoirs there are tremendously productive, requiring few wells and producing what is in the ground very quickly.  The downside....they fall off after, say, 6-8 years, so there needs to be more development but the lead time can be 10 years.

For oil, reserves are somewhat lognormally related in a bbls/acre-ft relationship....just an inescapable physcial fact of life.  Normal, uninterrupted production, after some time of sustainable rate, falls off in exponential, hyperbolic or harmonic declines.  No doubt at some point that shale oil will provide oil for us....but at a seriously high price.  We'lll need to develop coal & nuclear power in the short term to keep us warm at an affordable price....the government needs to invest in research for fusion power, efficient solar cells (something better than 14-28% and that last more then 8-11 years at 2x the cost of grid electricity)...it's gonna take a huge effort to do this...something like the WWII A-bomb project.  Oh yeah, ethanol...without subsidies...still can't compete with crude oil and gasoline....do ya'll not think that if more money could be made on methanol the oil companies wouldn't be selling it?  Buying a farm versus putting down a million dollar plus well every 40 acres or so and paying the landowner a couple of hundred a year per acre plus the 20% off the top to the royalty owner...well you should get the picture the oil companies could buy the farms to produce ethanol if it were truly a going concern.
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Re: Massive Oil Deposit Could Increase U.S. Reserve by 10X
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2008, 10:00:43 PM »
I wished I was smart enough to jump in here with something intelligent to say..
 but............ :'( I 'm not! )
I have read and reread this thread and I am trying so hard to understand it all...................
but actually after reading it at least 3 times.. very slowly and in detail.. ........................


And all of it has given me a headache.  :P

I'm going to go finish the laundry.. take a shower and grab my book for awhile and read.

 I'll catch you all on the flip side tomorrow.. g'night..


 

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Re: Massive Oil Deposit Could Increase U.S. Reserve by 10X
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Re: Massive Oil Deposit Could Increase U.S. Reserve by 10X
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2008, 05:29:55 AM »
I'm with you Marshal'ette. I'm a big Ethanol fan, though. You say you can run a car on it too?? Holy Cow!! Wonder if cars get  hangovers ? Welll, back to guns.
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« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2008, 07:52:46 AM »
You probably should subscibe to it kewl cat.  The key is to look at it by producing basin then basins within a producing entity (or country).  The thing that kicked us out a bit on the curve was the deep-water Gulf of Mexico that was unobtainable by early technology when the "King Hubbert" curve was out.  Also....those deepwater GOM reserves postponed the increase in oil prices by about 2-4 years.  The reservoirs there are tremendously productive, requiring few wells and producing what is in the ground very quickly.  The downside....they fall off after, say, 6-8 years, so there needs to be more development but the lead time can be 10 years.

For oil, reserves are somewhat lognormally related in a bbls/acre-ft relationship....just an inescapable physcial fact of life.  Normal, uninterrupted production, after some time of sustainable rate, falls off in exponential, hyperbolic or harmonic declines.  No doubt at some point that shale oil will provide oil for us....but at a seriously high price.  We'lll need to develop coal & nuclear power in the short term to keep us warm at an affordable price....the government needs to invest in research for fusion power, efficient solar cells (something better than 14-28% and that last more then 8-11 years at 2x the cost of grid electricity)...it's gonna take a huge effort to do this...something like the WWII A-bomb project.  Oh yeah, ethanol...without subsidies...still can't compete with crude oil and gasoline....do ya'll not think that if more money could be made on methanol the oil companies wouldn't be selling it?  Buying a farm versus putting down a million dollar plus well every 40 acres or so and paying the landowner a couple of hundred a year per acre plus the 20% off the top to the royalty owner...well you should get the picture the oil companies could buy the farms to produce ethanol if it were truly a going concern.

Rastus,

I agree with you on alternatives and especially ethanol (just drives up the cost of corn) but I'm not convinced on Peak.

Yes it was easier to get in the past BUT that was pretty much all the technology we had and in comparison the cost wasn't really much different than the new technologies used today.

What I have read about shale oils says it would cost 50 - 70 bbl to get it to market.  That would be a bargain in todays market.

http://www.fossil.energy.gov/programs/reserves/publications/Pubs-NPR/40010-373.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale_economics (yeah, it's Wiki but Wiki ain't all bad)
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« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2008, 08:09:16 AM »
I wished I was smart enough to jump in here with something intelligent to say..
 but............ :'( I 'm not! )
I have read and reread this thread and I am trying so hard to understand it all...................
but actually after reading it at least 3 times.. very slowly and in detail.. ........................


And all of it has given me a headache.  :P

I'm going to go finish the laundry.. take a shower and grab my book for awhile and read.

 I'll catch you all on the flip side tomorrow.. g'night..


 



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Re: Massive Oil Deposit Could Increase U.S. Reserve by 10X
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2008, 11:55:37 AM »
M'ette and DDMack..Can I sit next to you guys  ???
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Re: Massive Oil Deposit Could Increase U.S. Reserve by 10X
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2008, 12:15:00 PM »
Yes you sure can...  :)
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