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Judge: Immigrants' rights violated in Conn. raids
« on: June 08, 2009, 03:17:27 PM »
I thought that only CITIZENS and LEGAL IMMIGRANTS (green cards, valid visa) had any rights guaranteed by the US Constitution? This is a very slippery slope that this judge has started going down.   :'(

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Judge: Immigrants' rights violated in Conn. raids
By DAVE COLLINS (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
June 08, 2009 1:22 PM EST

HARTFORD, Conn. - Federal agents violated the constitutional rights of four illegal immigrants in raids that critics say were retaliation for a New Haven program that provided ID cards to foreigners in the country illegally, a federal judge has ruled.

The sweeps in New Haven on June 6, 2007, came two days after the city approved issuing identification cards to all city residents, regardless of immigration status. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials deny the early morning raids were retaliatory, saying planning began the year before.

Immigration Judge Michael Straus, in decisions last week, said the ICE agents went into the immigrants' homes without warrants, probable cause or their consent, and he put a stop to deportation proceedings against the four defendants, whose names were not released. ICE officials claim all four are from Mexico, but all four cited their Fifth Amendment rights in refusing to say what country they are from.

Two of the four immigrants lived in one home, and two lived in a second home. They said in affidavits that agents barged into both homes after residents had opened their doors only a little. The agents went into both homes looking for specific illegal immigrants on a "target list," who weren't found, court documents say.

Immigration officials have denied claims that the 32 arrests that morning were improper, and they said the people who were arrested had been ordered by judges to leave the country. They said in court documents that they were allowed into the homes during the sweep.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement authorities are reviewing the judge's ruling and will decide later whether to appeal, agency spokeswoman Paula Grenier said Monday. The department has 30 days to file a challenge. Grenier declined further comment.

Witnesses alleged in court documents that parents were arrested in front of their frightened children, agents refused to identify themselves and told people in the homes to shut up.

In his rulings issued June 1 and 2, Straus said the four immigrants' rights were "egregiously violated" and the agents' entries in the apartments were "unlawful."

"Examination of the agents' ... conduct confirms (the defendant's) Fourth Amendment rights were flagrantly violated," Straus wrote in one immigrant's case.

"The touchstone of the Fourth Amendment is 'reasonableness' and, by natural extension, one's reasonable expectation of privacy," the judge wrote. "Nowhere is that expectation of privacy more sacrosanct than in the confines of one's home."

Of the 32 people arrested, 30 were released on bond or supervision orders. Seventeen of those 30 immigrants challenged their arrests in court.

Straus denied motions in 11 of the 17 cases, granted motions in four of them and reserved decision in the remaining two. Of the 11 cases in which motions were denied, one person was later granted asylum by the judge and the other 10 have appealed.

Yale Law School students are representing the immigrants, who still live in New Haven.

"We're obviously very happy about it," Anant Saraswat, one of the students, said Monday. "We think our clients had a very strong case."

Saraswat said it won't be known for about a month whether federal authorities will appeal Straus' ruling. He said the case can be appealed to the Board of Immigration Appeals, then to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York.

New Haven officials have said the raids appeared to be retaliatory for the ID cards, which are meant to help immigrants open bank accounts and receive city services.
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Re: Judge: Immigrants' rights violated in Conn. raids
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2009, 04:00:58 PM »
New Haven officials have said the raids appeared to be retaliatory for the ID cards, which are meant to help immigrants open bank accounts and receive city services.

New Haven officials should be jailed for conspiracy to violate federal immigration law.

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Re: Judge: Immigrants' rights violated in Conn. raids
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2009, 04:03:50 PM »
The annoying thing is that this a tough one and it shouldn't be. Illegal immigrants are, by their presence committing a crime. That being said warrantless searches by the feds are a VERY BAD THING. How hard would it have been for this brain trust to take five minutes to get search/arrest warrants for these folks? Were the agents stupid, lazy or just arrogant? Choose three of the above. The problem is that it sets a precedent which could make such raids (may there be many more) harder.
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Re: Judge: Immigrants' rights violated in Conn. raids
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2009, 10:24:23 AM »
Obama and the Dems open border policy pure BS
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Re: Judge: Immigrants' rights violated in Conn. raids
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2009, 03:40:54 PM »
What is it with these idiot judges. Why do they insist on confering Constitutional rights on ILLEGAL immigrants and enemy combatants. If you're not an American citizen, you don't get any rights guaranteed by the American Constitution.
“What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that the people preserve the spirit of resistance?”

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Re: Judge: Immigrants' rights violated in Conn. raids
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2009, 04:10:26 PM »
They get it the same place 'anchor babies" come from.  

Their interpretation of our 'living document' Constitution.  >:(
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Re: Judge: Immigrants' rights violated in Conn. raids
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2009, 04:43:50 PM »
Sorry boys, but you're both wrong. The Constitution proscribes the government from taking certain actions. It doesn't and shouldn't matter if you are a ctizen or not. The Bill of Rights is basically a big list of "Thou shalt nots" applied to the feds (on US soil). The judge was  right. The blame lies with idiot agents who could very easily have gotten a warrant and didn't.
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PS Don't get me wrong. I want the illegals arrested and deported. I just want the feds to get a damn warrant before they start showing up at people's doors.

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Re: Judge: Immigrants' rights violated in Conn. raids
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2009, 05:29:53 PM »
Sorry boys, but you're both wrong. The Constitution proscribes the government from taking certain actions. It doesn't and shouldn't matter if you are a ctizen or not. The Bill of Rights is basically a big list of "Thou shalt nots" applied to the feds (on US soil). The judge was  right. The blame lies with idiot agents who could very easily have gotten a warrant and didn't.
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So.... let's say that you illegally sneak into Saudia Arabia and you are captured and tried for your crime. You will most certainly be tried under Saudi law, but do you believe that the Saudi government can in any way be coerced or legally required to afford you the same rights that they give to their own citizens. Feel free to exchange Mexico, Greenland, Columbia, Cuba, Italy, Iran or most any country of your choice for Saudi Arabia. Anyone in any country ILLEGALLY should expect to be tried under that countries laws, but they would be foolish to believe that they will be guaranteed any of the rights of the legal citizenry. Try getting them to throw the case out of court because the Saudi police came into your house or hotel room without a warrant, assuming that one is required for their citizens.
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Re: Judge: Immigrants' rights violated in Conn. raids
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2009, 05:50:53 PM »
So.... let's say that you illegally sneak into Saudia Arabia and you are captured and tried for your crime. You will most certainly be tried under Saudi law, but do you believe that the Saudi government can in any way be coerced or legally required to afford you the same rights that they give to their own citizens. Feel free to exchange Mexico, Greenland, Columbia, Cuba, Italy, Iran or most any country of your choice for Saudi Arabia. Anyone in any country ILLEGALLY should expect to be tried under that countries laws, but they would be foolish to believe that they will be guaranteed any of the rights of the legal citizenry. Try getting them to throw the case out of court because the Saudi police came into your house or hotel room without a warrant, assuming that one is required for their citizens.
One of the many reasons why I don't live in Saudi Arabia. This isn't so much of question should as its a question of is. The Bill of Rights applies to all persons on US soil, period, full stop. Its why we keep our detainees at GITMO, the constitution doesn't apply outside of US territory as clearly as it does here. The fact is that giving illegals (actually giving is the wrong word because under our Constitution they already have them) the same rights as a legal resident is not a hinderance to law enforcement. As the article made clear, these raids were planned. They knew who they were after and where they were, getting a warrant would have been no problem. This is where I as Libertarian get pissed at the feds. I really, really hate the idea of cops, federal cops in particular, showing up at ANY door without a warrant. That way lies badness and you've got to see that Kid.
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Re: Judge: Immigrants' rights violated in Conn. raids
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2009, 06:52:40 PM »
One of the many reasons why I don't live in Saudi Arabia. This isn't so much of question should as its a question of is. The Bill of Rights applies to all persons on US soil, period, full stop. Its why we keep our detainees at GITMO, the constitution doesn't apply outside of US territory as clearly as it does here. The fact is that giving illegals (actually giving is the wrong word because under our Constitution they already have them) the same rights as a legal resident is not a hinderance to law enforcement. As the article made clear, these raids were planned. They knew who they were after and where they were, getting a warrant would have been no problem. This is where I as Libertarian get pissed at the feds. I really, really hate the idea of cops, federal cops in particular, showing up at ANY door without a warrant. That way lies badness and you've got to see that Kid.
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OK, I've got to ask. Where in the Constitution does it say that it applies to anyone on U.S. soil. Can you cite a specific court ruling that upheld that the Bill of Rights applies to anyone on U.S. soil. I'm willing to be educated. I agree with you about not wanting the Feds or any law enforcement agent busting in doors without a warrant........so long as the door belongs to a U.S. citizen.
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