Seattle: Mayor moves to ban guns with executive order

[ericire12]

I'm not playing devils advocate.   I truely beleave that a property owner( or some one in charge of said property) right to restrict what comes onto and happends on thier property.  Since you don't have to go on that property, his right, trumps your rights.

Article: Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels wants all city property to be gun–free. Last Friday he signed an Executive Order that bans firearms on public property, including parks and community centers.

[DDMac]

As I said, political grandstanding. Mayor Nichols knows his efforts will do nothing to stop the rampant violence, which is the fruit of real problem. He instead picks on a tool of violence as his quick fix to sincerely pretend to DO SOMETHING. He won't take a bite into the sour apple of truth. We now have a couple of generations raised in parent-less, Godless, hopeless homes, who don't mind killing and don't mind dying, as if it was their manifest destiny. Taking on the real problem would make lots of folks mad. After all, it's hard work being good parents (2). Not a lot of ME time with kids.. Easier to let the streets raise'em.

If Mayor Nichol wanted to solve his city's problem with shootings and violent crime, he would have to dig a lot deeper  into today's social ills, a very politically sensitive subject. But, if he summoned the resolve, and found a way within the City's resources to bind "The Family" back together, not only could he take credit for improving the futures for all Seattle's residents, he might just have found the way to save our Nation.

Mac.

[ericire12]

As I said, political grandstanding. Mayor Nichols knows his efforts will do nothing to stop the rampant violence, which is the fruit of real problem. He instead picks on a tool of violence as his quick fix to sincerely pretend to DO SOMETHING. He won't take a bite into the sour apple of truth. We now have a couple of generations raised in parent-less, Godless, hopeless homes, who don't mind killing and don't mind dying, as if it was their manifest destiny. Taking on the real problem would make lots of folks mad. After all, it's hard work being good parents (2). Not a lot of ME time with kids.. Easier to let the streets raise'em.

If Mayor Nichol wanted to solve his city's problem with shootings and violent crime, he would have to dig a lot deeper  into today's social ills, a very politically sensitive subject. But, if he summoned the resolve, and found a way within the City's resources to bind "The Family" back together, not only could he take credit for improving the futures for all Seattle's residents, he might just have found the way to save our Nation.

Mac.

Bullseye!

He and every other politician out there take the very same approach simply to look like they are being proactive and doing something. They don't want to truly work on solving the problem because they know that it is too much of an up hill battle, and what it takes to win that war will not be popular with the electorate - thus they once again do what is in the best interest of their careers and not what is in the best interest of the American people. 

[TAB]

Article: Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels wants all city property to be gun–free. Last Friday he signed an Executive Order that bans firearms on public property, including parks and community centers.

it is public property, but the public voted him to power over it.  If they don't like it, they can recall him.

[Jim Urban]

They voted him in so he can do whatever he wants;legal or not.


I believe that is THE MOST ignorant statement regarding elected officials ever posted to the DRTV Forums.

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[ericire12]

it is public property, but the public voted him to power over it.  If they don't like it, they can recall him.

You are a little off the mark. He does not have the power to circumvent people's rights as given to them by the state and/or the federal government. He does not have legal power to outlaw carrying guns in the public square. If people have the right to be there and their state laws concerning concealed carry say that they have the right to be there with their guns, then there is nothing he can legally do about it. He is a Mayor, not a King. He is also not a legislator and does not have the power to make law. He is there to be a steward of the city, and not to rule over them as a monarch.

He must follow the law or be held accountable in court if he does not. No other business owner or owner of property that is open to the public would be allowed to due what he is doing. He is discriminating against law abiding CCW permit holders. A property owner who's property was open to the public wouldn't be able to say that their property was immune to the American's with Disabilities Act and not be required to provide wheelchair access or handicap parking spaces. They wouldn't be able to make black people use separate water fountains or restrooms. A mayor also can not do those types of things within a city. He is ignoring the law and is trying to say that those places in the city are off limits to the legal carrying of firearms.




--------->There is also a bigger issue in play here. That being that gun free zones do not make people safer, but instead makes them defenseless against any would be threat. What he is doing, legal or not is counterproductive.

[Solus]

Ohio recently passed a State Pre-emptive law for firearms.   No government within the State of Ohio can pass a gun law more restrictive than what the State of Ohio has passed.

The Mayor of Cleveland issued Executive Orders to reinstate the Clinton Assault Weapon Ban plus a couple public property bans saying that the He knows what is good for Cleveland and the State laws be damned.

The DA there stated that should any arrests be made for violation of these "illegal laws" she would not prosecute.

The Police leadership instructed the force not to enforce them either.

I have a special respect for the DA because she stated that even though she thought these laws should be in place, she would not prosecute what were clearly illegal laws.

Perhaps someone in Seattle will have the courage to stand up to their mayor rather than talk about the power elected officials have to do as they please until recalled.

[ericire12]

it is public property, but the public voted him to power over it.  If they don't like it, they can recall him.

Might I also add......

"THE SUSPECT IN THIS CASE HAS A HISTORY OF DRUG ABUSE AND MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS". So, why has the mayor not taken the approach of banning people who have histories of drug abuse and mental health problems from the public areas? Yeah, me thinks the ACLU would go crazy over that one.

[ericire12]

Ohio recently passed a State Pre-emptive law for firearms.   No government within the State of Ohio can pass a gun law more restrictive than what the State of Ohio has passed.

The Mayor of Cleveland issued Executive Orders to reinstate the Clinton Assault Weapon Ban plus a couple public property bans saying that the He knows what is good for Cleveland and the State laws be damned.

The DA there stated that should any arrests be made for violation of these "illegal laws" she would not prosecute.

The Police leadership instructed the force not to enforce them either.

I have a special respect for the DA because she stated that even though she thought these laws should be in place, she would not prosecute what were clearly illegal laws.

Perhaps someone in Seattle will have the courage to stand up to their mayor rather than talk about the power elected officials have to do as they please until recalled.

The DA should bring charges against the mayor of Cleveland in this case. It is an abuse of power and he is attempting to deprive people of their constitutional rights (Both federal and state).

[TAB]

Might I also add......

"THE SUSPECT IN THIS CASE HAS A HISTORY OF DRUG ABUSE AND MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS". So, why has the mayor not taken the approach of banning people who have histories of drug abuse and mental health problems from the public areas? Yeah, me thinks the ACLU would go crazy over that one.

what diffrence does it make if he should not have got the permit or not?  If this was an off duty cop that went nuts and started shooting people...would it change the out come?    Also a history of mental health problems can mean almost anything, same with the drug abuse... it does not say what kind of drugs, just that he abused them... it also does not enclude the extent of his abuse.