I have worn 5/11 Pants for the last 2 1/2 years, every day pretty much, and now they are thread bare, starting to come apart, at the knee's and at the rear pockets where I keep large folding knives,, They are very comfortable, and loose fitting, I really like the knee pad inserts, in my business it really helps. I carry a J frame smith in the right pocket, and this pant, let's this carry type work. My regrets are my black pants turned to gray quickly.. but after that they stayed that way, My worn pants will pass muster anywhere, SORRY TAB, you won't pick me out of a crowd. It just looks right...............