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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: 2HOW on December 01, 2009, 01:39:54 PM
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http://www.eutimes.net/2009/11/obama-orders-1-million-us-troops-to-prepare-for-civil-war/
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We may never know how much of this is true. Seems plausible, and it wouldn't surprise me. Especially the part about the citizens finding out that he has bankrupted the economy. I think BHO is scared. He sees the American people turning against him. Hopefully that fear starts to trickle down to the other liberal politicians. It seems that maybe our "dear leader" read the Constitution and realized just exactly WHY we have the 2A.
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Yes we have reason to be concerned over our current situation; Yes the President has reason to be concerned based some on what he accepted, but more in how he took it and what he is doing with it; Yes our friends have reason to be concerned over what may happen to, with and by an partner; and there is also the hope of many to use the press to destabilize us and push us over the edge.
We have by our own free will taken our selves to the edge with our greed and spoiled child attitude, but we have bought into leaders that are taking us further and further to grow their power (much like the parent that gives their children everything to keep their favor), but it is outsiders that will give us that last push.
My two largest fears in this climate are that #1 - The next attacks on our nation by outsiders will come from within and on our own soil ... again; and #2 - that as we Americans that choose to stand for right will be seen as part of the enemy rather than the solution.
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Yes we have reason to be concerned over our current situation; Yes the President has reason to be concerned based some on what he accepted, but more in how he took it and what he is doing with it; Yes our friends have reason to be concerned over what may happen to, with and by an partner; and there is also the hope of many to use the press to destabilize us and push us over the edge.
We have by our own free will taken our selves to the edge with our greed and spoiled child attitude, but we have bought into leaders that are taking us further and further to grow their power (much like the parent that gives their children everything to keep their favor), but it is outsiders that will give us that last push.
My two largest fears in this climate are that #1 - The next attacks on our nation by outsiders will come from within and on our own soil ... again; and #2 - that as we Americans that choose to stand for right will be seen as part of the enemy rather than the solution.
AMEN as whats being done to undermine and put a negative spin on all patriots.
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AMEN as whats being done to undermine and put a negative spin on all patriots.
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I'll go along with the comments posted here, mostly because I'm one of the ones who thinks that anything other than shooting the ba$tards is just putting a band aid on cancer.
BUT ! If this is REALLY what the FSB is telling Putin then I have to say they have fallen a LOOONG way since the KGB days.
I suspect that the source is the European edition of "The Weekly World News".
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Sounds like wishful thinking on the part of some Russian academics.
Isn't this the same guy that wrote an article about the dissolution of the U.S. last year?
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This article definitely got my attention, I just wonder how close we are to this really happening?
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This article definitely got my attention, I just wonder how close we are to this really happening?
I think it depends on the actions of congress at this point. If they continue to ignore the will of the people, then we could very well be looking at a war. BUT It won't be a civil war. You won't see brother against brother. It's going to be the American people violently overthrowing our current politicians. If this is true, BHO is doing this to protect himself. He knows that the people are fed up, and demanding that their voices be heard. That they are not will probably be the catalyst that starts the revolution. I think people will hang tight until the elections. However if there is ANY evidence of fraud, or voter intimidation. (The black panthers come to mind) Then I think you will probably see a pretty violent backlash. Like I said though, it's not going to be a civil war, but an overthrow of those in power, that don't play by the same rules as the rest of us.
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All revolutions are followed by a "reign of terror" a purge to get rid of the supporters of the previous regime.
In this case it will cut a huge swath through arts and entertainment, media, (Print and TV), the Education system, and the legal profession, there will also be a certain percentage of ordinary people who just HATE the ideas of personal responsibility, rule by law instead of "focus group", and capitalism. I foresee those FEMA camps being filled regardless of who wins.
The question is, since we can't just leave them there for the rest of their lives, what to do with them. It's the same question that faced Nazi Germany with the Jews, if we can't get any other countries to take them do we just shoot them ? Try to "reeducate them ? Or just stick them all in Hawaii and set up a naval blockade ?
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I put nothing past that gigantic empty suit. He and his crew believe they are owed the presidency and will do anything to keep it.
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All revolutions are followed by a "reign of terror" a purge to get rid of the supporters of the previous regime.
In this case it will cut a huge swath through arts and entertainment, media, (Print and TV), the Education system, and the legal profession, there will also be a certain percentage of ordinary people who just HATE the ideas of personal responsibility, rule by law instead of "focus group", and capitalism. I foresee those FEMA camps being filled regardless of who wins.
The question is, since we can't just leave them there for the rest of their lives, what to do with them. It's the same question that faced Nazi Germany with the Jews, if we can't get any other countries to take them do we just shoot them ? Try to "reeducate them ? Or just stick them all in Hawaii and set up a naval blockade ?
Bring back the chain gangs. Force these people to endure what it feels like to WORK for a living. Those that don't drop dead might just realize why we were so upset at them leaching off of us. Not that I'm holding my breath for that to happen.
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All revolutions are followed by a "reign of terror" a purge to get rid of the supporters of the previous regime.
In this case it will cut a huge swath through arts and entertainment, media, (Print and TV), the Education system, and the legal profession, there will also be a certain percentage of ordinary people who just HATE the ideas of personal responsibility, rule by law instead of "focus group", and capitalism. I foresee those FEMA camps being filled regardless of who wins.
The question is, since we can't just leave them there for the rest of their lives, what to do with them. It's the same question that faced Nazi Germany with the Jews, if we can't get any other countries to take them do we just shoot them ? Try to "reeducate them ? Or just stick them all in Hawaii and set up a naval blockade ?
Anyone have a problem with this approach? Cleaning the political; gene pool as it were? Take notes of who does what before SHTF so after you can name names, and be prepared to identify the quislings who are now claiming that they were really on the side of the American people.
Maybe that's why Alec Baldwin is bailing on Hollywood and acting, heading for cover? Maybe that long-ago announced emigration to Canada? Of course he is barely C-list, just a pig of a human, a mutation in the gene pool.
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Well the radical left wing groups, MoveOn, and Code Pink, the Nancy Pelosi lefties are pissed that BHO will send more troops to Afghanistan.
So it's not just the Bible toting, tea party, gun owning extremists, it's the political party with a far more pronounced history of violence:
The Democrats.
"Governments like control -- the only real power governments have to fall back on if necessary to preserve their authority is the use of force. That is not as easy or effective against an armed population. So governments around the world seek to disarm everyone except their own military and LEO forces. This had been the case for thousands of years. It is still the case today. The only time governments want their average citizens to be armed historically is when the threat of losing their authority to foreign invaders is greater than the risk from their own population."
Zoogster
Since this is not the case, from foreign invaders,
"Arm yourselves, and be ye men of valor, and be in readiness for the conflict; for it is better for us to perish in battle than to look upon the outrage of our nation and our altar."
Sir Winston Churchill
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
John Stuart Mill
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"Arm yourselves, and be ye men of valor, and be in readiness for the conflict; for it is better for us to perish in battle than to look upon the outrage of our nation and our altar."
Sir Winston Churchill
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
John Stuart Mill
"There's things that eat at a man worse than dying"
Open Range
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I take the "kill 'em all & let God sort them out" approach. If we could just hire a pilot to take out the bunch of them (like Clancy's novel) then we could put decent, patriotic Americans in control. Will really it take violence - a revolutionary skirmish to fix this? I hate to think so, but I see more & more evidence every day that that's is what it will come too. And obviously as already stated, BHo sees it too. He just doesn't see that 'his' army is not for what he wants. But he will find out when it hits the fan & he is left with his minions alone.
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SMOKE EM OUT & CLEAN HOUSE 8) 8) 8)
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I take the "kill 'em all & let God sort them out" approach. If we could just hire a pilot to take out the bunch of them (like Clancy's novel) then we could put decent, patriotic Americans in control. Will really it take violence - a revolutionary skirmish to fix this? I hate to think so, but I see more & more evidence every day that that's is what it will come too. And obviously as already stated, BHo sees it too. He just doesn't see that 'his' army is not for what he wants. But he will find out when it hits the fan & he is left with his minions alone.
I don't want to believe that it would come to that, but I think you're right. Things have gotten to the point that a violent revolution is the only way left to fix the problems we have. Our "representatives" have failed us. It now falls to We the People to fix the mess we're in. I fear that we are about to witness historical times. When the American people rise up, and fulfill their duty to the constitution. I say fear, because this is not the way it is supposed to work in the U.S. However, this is the very reason for the 2A. So that we could (if required) use force to remove those who pervert our liberty, and destroy our country. I think that after the mid term elections you will see a determined effort to disarm the people. I really do think that the 2010 elections will be the spark. If there is ANY evidence of fraud, such as illegals voting, or ACORN allegations, then you will see a backlash. People are getting tired of being ignored and marginalized. If you disenfranchise their votes, then I think that will be the final straw.
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I say the whole drop 'em off on some nice tropical island and set up a naval blockade.... but, lets not waste Hawaii.... HOW BOUT CUBA!!!! All the left wing radicals, cooks and traitors would fit right in. Hey Michael Moore loves Cuba so much why not help him to relocate. He might loose a pound or 200 that fat sack of $h!t.
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Anyone have a problem with this approach? Cleaning the political; gene pool as it were? Take notes of who does what before SHTF so after you can name names, and be prepared to identify the quislings who are now claiming that they were really on the side of the American people.
Maybe that's why Alec Baldwin is bailing on Hollywood and acting, heading for cover? Maybe that long-ago announced emigration to Canada? Of course he is barely C-list, just a pig of a human, a mutation in the gene pool.
Wrong again Path.
Tom has it right, this article is BS from a Eurotrash tabloid. Lets assume its true though. Until the Constitution is breeched my loyalties stand with the oath I took when I was 18, to uphold and defend the Constitution. This means I'm shooting at you. If BO or any other president delares themselves dictator for life or the like, than I'm shooting at them. The point is, it will be brother against brother unless one side paints a hammer and sickle and 666 on their foreheads. Me, I was released from my oath, but I still intend to keep it. A lot of others feel the same way. As it is, I think we're dealing with Jimma Carter version 2.0 not Hitler. We, the American people, get a chance to decide in 2012. If we are denied that right, pick up a gun. If we are not, we get exactly what we deserve, win, lose or draw. I chose wrong in 2008. I will not make the same mistake twice. I doubt that I am alone.
FQ13
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The Constitution is violated every day FQ, it is particularly breached, to use your word, on April 15th every year.
No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the
Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.
I hate to have to tell you this, but if you stand for BO I will be one of those you will be shooting at, and I shoot back.
(Although I would prefer to get you in an ambush on your way to the assembly area ;D )
Laughtonberg - Confiscate guns from those guilty of MISDEMEANOR domestic violance, or subject to restraining order which requires NO conviction for any crime.
No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
Paper Money
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters
of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but
gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder,
ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any
Title of Nobility.
Many of the actions of Congress fall under this one
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against
them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person
shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the
same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
Do you see anything about Democracy here ?
Section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican
Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on
Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature
cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
Then of course there is our favorite , 20,000 gun laws say politicians can't read English.
Amendment 2
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the
right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Of course the right to assemble for redress of greivances has been fluanted all summer when ordinary folks who oppose Socialist health care were branded racists, Nazi's, and "Dangerous extremists", But here's another you may not have thought of.
Watch the video,
http://www.pjtv.com/video/AlfonZo_Rachel_Presents%3A_ZoNation/Milli_Vanilli%2C_Blame_It_On_The_Pagans%3A_The_New_Green_Religion/2800/
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or
of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition
the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Just a little side not.... does anyone else find it horribly coincidental that the next election cycle and the, woooo, 2012 timeframe coincide? Just laughable if you ask me.
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The Constitution is violated every day FQ, it is particularly breached, to use your word, on April 15th every year.
I hate to have to tell you this, but if you stand for BO I will be one of those you will be shooting at, and I shoot back.
(Although I would prefer to get you in an ambush on your way to the assembly area ;D )
Christ Tom, Its been violated since the day it was written. Whiskey Rebellion? Trail of Tears? Alien and Sedition Act? The thing is there is a difference between violated, where you call a lawyer; and abrogated, where you pick up a rifle. We both know the difference, and we ain't there yet, and hopefully never will be. To quote Churchill, jaw, jaw is better than war, war.
FQ13
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Wrong again Path.
Tom has it right, this article is BS from a Eurotrash tabloid. Lets assume its true though. Until the Constitution is breeched my loyalties stand with the oath I took when I was 18, to uphold and defend the Constitution. This means I'm shooting at you. If BO or any other president delares themselves dictator for life or the like, than I'm shooting at them. The point is, it will be brother against brother unless one side paints a hammer and sickle and 666 on their foreheads. Me, I was released from my oath, but I still intend to keep it. A lot of others feel the same way. As it is, I think we're dealing with Jimma Carter version 2.0 not Hitler. We, the American people, get a chance to decide in 2012. If we are denied that right, pick up a gun. If we are not, we get exactly what we deserve, win, lose or draw. I chose wrong in 2008. I will not make the same mistake twice. I doubt that I am alone.
FQ13
If your shooting at anyone out side of the present administration youre in violation of your oath FQ. Those people are traitors. OBTW there is no expiration date on the oath. All the people that voted for BHO are now resentful that they made a mistake. This dog and pony show wont last long. I guess someone has to drop a safe on your head to get your attention. Everyone is in denial, its sad.
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If your shooting at anyone out side of the present administration youre in violation of your oath FQ. Those people are traitors. OBTW there is no expiration date on the oath. All the people that voted for BHO are now resentful that they made a mistake. This dog and pony show wont last long. I guess someone has to drop a safe on your head to get your attention. Everyone is in denial, its sad.
No safe required. My attention, and that of many others has been fully gotten. Thing is, I beleive that what we voted in in 2008, we can vote out in 2012. We may be sadder, wiser, and more humble than we were, but the ballot box still works. The day it doesn't, that's what the AR is for.
FQ13
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No safe required. My attention, and that of many others has been fully gotten. Thing is, I beleive that what we voted in in 2008, we can vote out in 2012. We may be sadder, wiser, and more humble than we were, but the ballot box still works. The day it doesn't, that's what the AR is for.
FQ13
You ARE in denial, if the ballot box still worked HILLERY Would have been running against McCain.
How many cases of vote fraud does it take to convince you, ACORN wracked up indictments in 28 states just in this last election.
Watch another video, It's 10 minutes well spent.
http://www.pjtv.com/video/Afterburner_with_Bill_Whittle/A_Tale_of_Two_Revolutions%3A_The_War_of_Ideas_%26_the_Tragedy_of_the_Unconstrained_Vision/2403/
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my loyalties stand with the oath I took when I was 18, to uphold and defend the Constitution. This means I'm shooting at you. brother against brother FQ13
and then using a quote . To quote Churchill, jaw, jaw is better than war, war.
FQ13
You seem to switch you stance like a fighter trying to defending themselves. Take a side, either pro or con, and stand there.
P.S. If you plan on taking arms against my brother when you take your side, I will need you to stand still during your debate over between violated, where you call a lawyer; and abrogated,
i will do my best not to get any of you on us. ;)
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Also, Churchill did not believe that talking was ALWAYS better than fighting. Another way of phrasing your quote is "Peace at ANY price".
There is a name for those who believe in peace at any price, they are called victims.
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and then using a quote
You seem to switch you stance like a fighter trying to defending themselves. Take a side, either pro or con, and stand there.
P.S. If you plan on taking arms against my brother when you take your side, I will need you to stand still during your debate over i will do my best not to get any of you on us. ;)
I have taken a side, and I took it when I was 18. Its called the Constiution. No President will be perfect, not this one, not the last one, not the guy who comes after. All I ask is that I get a chance to vote him out of office. If I get that, I will stand with the flag, if not I will stand against it as horrible as that is to me (and as a patriot it is horrible, I would literally rather die than fire on the stars and stripes). But I will only fire on my flag if the opportunity to vote for a new government in a free and fair election is denied.
FQ13
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I have taken a side, and I took it when I was 18. Its called the Constiution. No President will be perfect, not this one, not the last one, not the guy who comes after. All I ask is that I get a chance to vote him out of office. If I get that, I will stand with the flag, if not I will stand against it as horrible as that is to me (and as a patriot it is horrible, I would literally rather die than fire on the stars and stripes). But I will only fire on my flag if the opportunity to vote for a new government in a free and fair election is denied.
FQ13
I have gone over this before with you. IF we have to fire a shot in anger, IT WILL BE IN DEFENSE OF THE FLAG!!!! The asshats that YOU elected to run the country have perverted the bill of rights and just flat ignored most of the constitution. That does not count as shooting on your flag! BTW if you think that we had a free and honest election last time, then your head is further up your ass than I thought. So what the hell makes you think that the next one will be any more honest?
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I have taken a side, and I took it when I was 18. Its called the Constiution. No President will be perfect,
Funny, I do not think you get the take a side thing. It means figuratively and literately. No President will be perfect because he is human. End of discussion. But when you state pro Constitution but vote for a proSocialist , whom did not even hide it might i add , with a voting record of higher taxes, Bigger gov., anti Constitutional and is against the thought of God in AMERICAN life. Never mind the Apologetic-Bowing-HealthCare-Bailout F-ing B.S.! I am seriously confused. I have taken your post with many grains of salt but this one got my panties in a bunch. The thing that lights the fuse of my tampoon is that even though you are intelligent in your argument you are intelligently arguing a dumb-arse point. If it is true you voted for BHO, your bad, this is partly your fault and will be held against you until memory fails. Take comfort its not forever. The fact that you made the mistake and own up to it and then try to defend it is insulting. Take a chance to grow a little better from your mistake and own full responsibility! Just 2cent worth for ya. >:(
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FQ, JC is right . That oath We swore had a line about "Threats, foreign AND DOMESTIC". The whole point of that is that defending the Constitution is NOT the same as defending the regime. When the Regime is composed of people who openly flaunt their communism, and they fact that America is the greatest nation on earth and they want to change that, no Patriot with sense or conscience can stand with them. If you stand with a regime like that simply because "They won" then you are no better than the people of Nazi Germany who could smell the stink from the ovens , but never spoke of it, so they could claim "They didn't know". They said "It wasn't US, it was those crazy Nazi's" but I ask you, who let "those crazy Nazi's stay in power ? Who elected them in the first place ?
Don't EVER forget, Hitler came to power through the Democratic process, it was a cleansing war that removed him.
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I have taken a side, and I took it when I was 18. Its called the Constiution. No President will be perfect, not this one, not the last one, not the guy who comes after. All I ask is that I get a chance to vote him out of office. If I get that, I will stand with the flag, if not I will stand against it as horrible as that is to me (and as a patriot it is horrible, I would literally rather die than fire on the stars and stripes). But I will only fire on my flag if the opportunity to vote for a new government in a free and fair election is denied.
FQ13
This saying goes way back, but I remember it best being bandied about during the late 60's. Applies here and it applies to you specifically.
It is never right to stand for your government against your country.
It is always right to stand for your country against the government.
FQ, you were dead wrong to back bho in '08, and you are dead wrong here to equate your gummint with your country. One of the many things you have yet to figure out. There is hope for you - on occasion - the longer you stay the hell out of academia. But only on occasion, and this is not one of them.
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Sir Winston Churchill - “... man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but usually manages to pick himself up, walk over or around it, and carry on"
Sir Winston Churchill - “If this is a blessing, it is certainly very well disguised.”
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All revolutions are followed by a "reign of terror" a purge to get rid of the supporters of the previous regime.
In this case it will cut a huge swath through arts and entertainment, media, (Print and TV), the Education system, and the legal profession, there will also be a certain percentage of ordinary people who just HATE the ideas of personal responsibility, rule by law instead of "focus group", and capitalism. I foresee those FEMA camps being filled regardless of who wins.
The question is, since we can't just leave them there for the rest of their lives, what to do with them. It's the same question that faced Nazi Germany with the Jews, if we can't get any other countries to take them do we just shoot them ? Try to "reeducate them ? Or just stick them all in Hawaii and set up a naval blockade ?
I say we ship them to Miami, stick their asses in tiny little rickety boats, and send them south about 90 miles. A little payback for the Mariel Boat Lift. ;D