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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: billt on January 03, 2010, 07:58:09 AM
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This seems to be a new fad that I've never come to understand. I understand that paint will allow you to achieve certain camo patterns that you otherwise would not be able to, but it lacks any and all durability. This photo shows exactly what I'm talking about. That gun is an expensive Sig Sauer that looks like total crap. I've seen "sniper rifles" that look far worse.
There are several durable finishes designed specifically for firearms that can achieve much the same thing with far better durability. Robar here in Phoenix has some of the best. I just don't understand the logic of rattle canning a $1,000.00+ handgun with a $2.00 can of Krylon, anymore than I could understand someone brush painting a Corvette with the latest semi gloss Acrylic from Dunn Edwards. Paint belongs on houses, not guns. Bill T.
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I don't get it either. I mean why would you pay extra to have a cammo duracoat finish on a shotgun? Do you really think it makes you more stealthy? I mean if everything in is in a matte finsh, you're fine. If your target is close enough to see the gun its close enough to be shot. I guess I can see anodizing a range toy in pink or blue just for the sake of whimsy, but getting out a can of spray paint? No, and make that a hell no.
FQ13
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In New York Bloomberg will give you a year in prison or a $1,000 fine.................
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4501190&page=1
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008/03/21/2008-03-21_gun_paint_company_taunts_mayor_bloomberg.html
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I think it stems from the use of spray paints in the military...... The rise of duracoat shows what a demand there is for it.... On the one hand, about an hour and a fresh coat of paint and it will look freshly painted again but I agree, if you are gonna do it, then do it right and use the good stuff.
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I don't 'paint' my firearms, but I'm not very fond of the 'tactical' black. That's why i"ve got a an OD XD. changed the furnature on my coyote rifle, well I wanted rails and ordered the forage green from Magpul. I'm an individual and I don't want to be like everyone else. I have a Stainless steel 1911 with different grips so as to show my personality.
That is why I have I like the colors, if you don't I'll respect your opinion.
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I don't 'paint' my firearms, but I'm not very fond of the 'tactical' black. That's why i"ve got a an OD XD. changed the furnature on my coyote rifle, well I wanted rails and ordered the forage green from Magpul. I'm an individual and I don't want to be like everyone else. I have a Stainless steel 1911 with different grips so as to show my personality.
That is why I have I like the colors, if you don't I'll respect your opinion.
It ain't my gun, do it how you want it. I do reserve the right to laugh if its pink though. ;)
FQ13
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It ain't my gun, do it how you want it. I do reserve the right to laugh if its pink though. ;)
FQ13
I would deserve to be laughed at if it were pink
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I have a buddy that has been Duracoating his guns. They look pretty good. He does his because if he even looks at a blued gun it starts to rust. Duracoat gives his guns a fighting chance against him.
He's not doing any crazy colors or anything, usually just black.
It's also easier to do the painting at home by yourself (though some of the results show some people shouldn't) than taking your gun to a gunsmith and having it reblued.
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Derek had one custom done.. ( I'll get some pictures on here of it.)
he also just bought the coolest shotgun ever.. in a color that you will make him stand out .....uhhh like a canary in a camo field.. LOL
( Good thing he is an excellent shot.. cause all eyes will be on him when he shoots this thing in league.. ) ;D
I'll post pictures of it too...
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Derek had one custom done.. ( I'll get some pictures on here of it.)
he also just bought the coolest shotgun ever.. in a color that you will make him stand out .....uhhh like a canary in a camo field.. LOL
( Good thing he is an excellent shot.. cause all eyes will be on him when he shoots this thing in league.. ) ;D
I'll post pictures of it too...
I seem to recall somebody we know getting a purple 10/22 and a purple .22 handgun, if memory serves. ;D
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But those were Anodized, not painted ;D
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It's definitely a personality thing. I my self wouldn't spray paint a gun, but I do want to have an AR duracoated. I saw one at the gun show last month done in the new Army ACU digital camo pattern. I liked the look so much I think I'm going to get mine done in the AF pattern! ;D
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But those were Anodized, not painted ;D
Why must you always cloud issues with facts? ;D
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I'm practicing to baffle the liberals ;D
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I'm practicing to baffle the liberals ;D
I'd call that good training!! ;D
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The simple answer is; Because we can!
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Okay, I'll speak up for painting guns, for this reason:
When you get tired of it, or it starts to wear off and look ratty, you can just strip it off with lacquer thinner and you're back to square one. No big deal.
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Why does a bear crap in the woods?
I like blued guns, always have but they're not so popular anymore so Duracoat or Parakoat or krylon or whatever the flavor of the day makes a worn gun look new again. Some folks go a little overboard, it's human nature.
Most mortal folks, ie.....everone on the forum but you and kilopaparomeo can only afford a few guns in the locker. What did you spend last year on guns Bill, 10 large?
While I can afford more today than I could ten years ago, if I had an extra 10 grand to spend, it would probably be for a decent vacation not another AR so a can of Duracoat makes sense......OK, I'd buy that lever gun I want too! (and about 9400 bucks worth of ammo!) ;D
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What did you spend last year on guns Bill, 10 large?
Last year?
Heck, 10k was just in December. ;D
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if I had an extra 10 grand to spend, it would probably be for a decent vacation
I solved that problem by moving to where we always ended up vacationing! In the last 18 years I've lived here it wound up paying for a lot of guns, not to mention no airport hassles and lost luggage. ;D Bill T.
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I solved that problem by moving to where we always ended up vacationing! In the last 18 years I've lived here it wound up paying for a lot of guns, not to mention no airport hassles and lost luggage. ;D Bill T.
I'm a toe headed Irishman.....I don't do well in the sun so I vacation in the north! I also never fly.....any more!
;D
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I was always worried if I "camo" painted a firearm, I'd lean it against a tree to take a leak turn around and not be able to find it.
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I guess to each his/her own. I put some white nail polish on the front sight of my M85... ::)
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I like to paint my guns because you can make them look however you want. Keeps things from getting boring! Besides, I haven't painted them all, just a few..... ;D
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I like to paint my guns because you can make them look however you want. Keeps things from getting boring! Besides, I haven't painted them all, just a few..... ;D
Please don't paint your Walther red,......it just seems wrong in a "Bond" kind of way,.... ;)
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My main reason is to blend in, break the outline, sometimes in the case of a Fiberglass stock, it must be covered with something, and also in some cases, texture, you can apply a little truck bed lining around the gripping areas, then paint over that. Most of my painting has been stock only, but my scout rifle and Marlin 336 got the whole treatment, scout rifle barrel, scope, butt cuff and ammo ( just kidding ). Of course if your blind hunting the camo makes no difference, if your stalking or in the combat zone, I think it helps, even if it gets a little chewed looking, it will blend in better.
I have not done it, but I suppose a lot of you have seen snipers using burlap strips, sometimes dyed sometimes not, like a ghillie suit, wrapped around the rifles forend, it makes for amazing low cost camo. My thought was to use fiberglass resin and make this look permanent instead of field expedient.
I think this is from enemy at the gates.
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4th 5th and 6th from the left.
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Because that is the way the Marine corp did them, the metal is finished in an epoxy coating, and matte. The paint is much to bright for me, to glossy.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/m25operator/100_1334.jpg)
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff150/m25operator/100_1384.jpg)
Not the best pic, but my Marlin 336 is done in a subtle black and gray tiger stripe dura coat, with a trijicon reflex, I think it will make an excellent stalker. Picture shows a 3x9, but it has been removed.
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It's ok to lust after my 40's vintage Marlin 39a, with Redfield 4x mini scope, wood refinishing by me, to look original oil satin finish.
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I don't know how true it is but I have heard that when seen through NVG's black glows like neon, since hearing that I have observed that current issue BDU's use greens and browns but no black.
Best bet is to use a plain matte rifle and different colors of burlap wrap from one season to the next greenish in the spring, green and /or brown in summer and then of course (where it snows ) white in the winter.
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The thing about the burlap has little to do with color (barring white cloth for snow). I have no experience with NVGs and might stand corrected here. Its utiliy is breaking up the outline of the rifle. Unlike the shot from "Enemy at the Gates" you don't just slip a tube sock over the rifle. You tie knots of burlap strips which dangle and breakup the outline. Any good deer hunter will tell you that when scanning the woods you look for three things. Movement, horizontal or other wise anomolous lines, and a different color, in that order. A matte rifle doesn't move and its color is pretty neutral (sort of like a whitetails tan and grey). What the "ghillie" stuff does is break up that unaturally straight out line that attracts the attention of a trained eye. Personally, I don't think cammo finishes do a damn thing but cost money. That said, if I were going into combat and someone offered to duracoat my rifle in cammo I wouldn't say no.
FQ13 who will consider himself skeptical, but willing to be convinced on this issue
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I would not say camo does nothing, if done wrong, like my M40's too shiny attracts attention, Matte black if the whole rifle is done will look like something long and black, maybe and old branch or log if your next to a fallen dead tree, perfect. Laying in the grass, not next to anything but grass, it will stand out. The burlap wrap, which is why I mentioned it, has the ability to blend in with anything, on the ground, I guess because the color is that of dead grass or foliage underneath new growth, and of course it breaks up the outline from the muzzle end.
I have hunted with a ghillie suit, Very cool.
As you can see between the 2 marlins, one is shiny, the other
Here is one I want to do, just because I think its beautiful.
subdued.http://www.lauerweaponry.com/item-detail-colorchoice.cfm?category=240&colorchoice=CPR8.jpg&colortype=pattern
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For snowy woods, that would be the ticket. In Tx. though..... Its kind of like my beef with Treebark, or Real Tree and the rest of the photo realistic cammo patterns. Its great if you're in the right environment and stationary, if not, not so much. You're a Tx. boy, you might remember a cammo company called Brushland, or something similar from the early '90s. I think they were out of Houston. They got it right. I still hunt in my ratty mesh jacket from them. Likewise, the new US military cammo gets it too.The idea isn't to look like something, its to look like nothing. You don't resemble anything, its just done in washed out colors with a pattern that doesn't really give the eye anything to focus on. You just slip past that initial scan. As to whether having your rifle similary cammoed would help, jury's still out.
FQ13
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I've bought a camo painted slug gun once. Would I ever paint a gun? Maybe.... I doubt it, but maybe. I think Duracoat looks a lot better, though. Would I ever paint, say, a rifle stock? Yeah probably. But if it looked like that SIG in the OP, I'd strip the paint off and re do it....
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If you are doing a winter camo pattern don't use black, use shades of blue.
For quick winter camo suit, take one of those white paper "painters coveralls" and spray irregular patches of light blue.
FQ, the thing about black has nothing to do with the burlap, as far as I could figure when I heard about it because black absorbs heat if seen through a thermal imager it shines "Like a beacon in the night" .
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For what it's worth, I've read from a few sources Beretta doesn't even offer camo in any other country than our's. They ship black, and are camo'd up after they hit our border. Car manufactures do the same thing with chrome trim, stickers, and flashy gadgets nobody else in the world wants on their products.
+1 on the rust deterrent idea. And +1 on it "breaking up the outline".
If you got an honest answer why most people did it, it probably wouldn't be for the practical reasons, but because they saw a military rifle painted that way in a picture. ANYTHING the military has, wannabe's buy! Cough, cough, AR's! Checked the price on a Garand lately? Hummers, tacticool vests, the list goes on and on. :(
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I painted my HiPoint carbine cause I hated the semi-shiny black plastic and felt I couldn't really hurt the resale value of it anyway. ::)
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I like what BM did with the "bed liner" paint on that wood stock.