JAPANESE sailors were accused of deliberately ramming the hi-tech anti-whaling trimaran Ady Gil yesterday.
Its bow was sheared off as the battle in the Southern Ocean escalated dramatically.
Video: See the collision (Sea Shepherd footage) http://player.video.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/#1378194304
Video: See the collision (Whalers' footage) http://player.video.news.com.au/heraldsun/#1378248280
Gallery: Dramatic pictures of collision http://tools.themercury.com.au/photo-gallery/photo_gallery_popup.php?splash=1&category_id=6005
While the six crew on board the Sea Shepherd vessel were rescued one of them with broken ribs captain of the vessel Pete Bethune tried valiantly to save the $1.5 million carbon-fibre stealth boat.
With an eight-foot hole in the bow, the crew said chances of salvaging it were "grim".
Captain of the Sea Shepherd ship Steve Irwin, Paul Watson, says he could not believe how aggressive the Japanese had become in an effort to persist with their whale cull.
"They are becoming increasingly desperate," he said.
"This is a war. It's a war to save the whales and it just got a lot uglier."
The incident occurred around 3.30pm in icy Antarctic waters 1300 nautical miles south of Tasmania.
According to Sydney-born Jason Stewart, who was on board the 24-metre Ady Gil, the protest vessel and the factory ship, the Nisshin Maru, were "having a bit of a skirmish" when the Ady Gil became low on fuel and was forced to stop its pursuit.
"We were basically disengaged and we were waving goodbye to the other Sea Shepherd vessel, the Bob Barker, which was going to continue the pursuit of the Nisshin Maru," he said.
"I was inside the boat at this point, and suddenly I could hear one of the Japanese boats coming at us.
"I took a look through a window and I could see the bow of the Shonan Maru No. 2 coming straight at us, and then it just hit us, and there was a big crunch, a hell of a bang.
"The next thing I remember was seeing daylight through a big hole in the front of the boat."
The 41-year-old former policeman, who now lives in New Zealand, made a mayday call, but the Japanese reportedly made no effort to help.
Mr Stewart said he was shaken but not injured.
"We were just sitting ducks and they just took us out," he said.
"I was only four metres from where the hull took the nose off our boat. It can't have been anything but a deliberate attack."
Japan's Institute of Cetacean Research, which supports the whaling program, hit back, saying the Nisshin Maru was subject to attack for two hours by the Ady Gil.
The institute accused the Ady Gil of towing a rope from its stern "with the intent to entangle the Japanese vessel's rudder and propeller".
The institute also said conservationists aimed a green laser at the Nisshin Maru crew, and fired butyric acid-containing ball-like projectiles.
After broadcasting a "warning message" through a long-range acoustic device, the Nisshin Maru started its water cannons to prevent the Ady Gil coming closer.
"The Sea Shepherd extremism is becoming more violent," the Japanese said.
Sea Shepherd Conservation Society spokesman Jeff Hansen said the Ady Gil's crew of six had been taken aboard the MV Bob Barker, a previously secret protest vessel which only arrived in the area yesterday morning.
"We have it all on film and we're getting onto all the authorities at the moment."
Capt Watson said: "If they think that our remaining two ships will retreat from the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary in the face of their extremism, they will be mistaken.
"We now have a real whale war on our hands now and we have no intention of retreating.
"This is a substantial loss for our organisation.
"The Ady Gil, the former Earthrace, represents a loss of almost $2 million.
"However, the loss of a single whale is of more importance to us and we will not lose the Ady Gil in vain. This blow simply strengthens our resolve, it does not weaken our spirit."
The organisation called on the Australian Government to send a naval vessel to the whaling grounds.
The Ady Gil left Hobart on December 19 to tackle the Japanese whaling fleet.
Before leaving, Capt Bethune said he was planning to take the fight right to the harpoon vessels.
"We will be on the fleet the whole time. Once we engage them, every day we'll be looking to mess them over," he said.
"My first job is to get my boat down there and get my crew down there and back safely and look at the risk."
Federal Environment Minister Peter Garrett called for calm.
"It's critical for safety at sea to be the highest priority and for the absolute and utmost restraint to be exercised by all parties in this very remote and inhospitable region," he said.
Mr Garrett said the Government had no plans to send a vessel to police the situation.
Australian Greens leader Bob Brown says the Government should send a ship and planes to stop the whalers.
"The lawless Japanese whale killers are doing what they want in Australia's Antarctic territory waters. The Rudd Government threw in the towel at the outset," he said.
Opposition environment spokesman Greg Hunt also called on the Government to send a vessel to get evidence of the whale slaughter, as well as rescue people if needed.
"The Ady Gill has been cut, hit by one of the harpoon vessels," he said. ADY GIL FACTS Length: 24m metres Crew: 6 Top speed: 40 knots Displacement: 16 tonnes. Cost: $US1 million Formerly the Earthrace, the Ady Gil was renamed after a US donor who bought the round-world record holder for the Sea Shepherd conservation Society.
Batman is going to pissed when he sees what they did to his boat.
Im waiting for the whalers to start using OC and sting ball grenades.
I dunno what took them this long to sink it, they have been pelting the whalers with butric acid bombs, using high intensity green lasers to shine in their eyes, etc etc. Watson and his mob have been responsible for sinking a few whaling vessels in the past. Turn about is fair play.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: TAB on January 06, 2010, 05:20:08 PM
you know its funny. if they were doing what they are doing in US waters, they would be locked up, the key melted down and pored into the lock set. from the video I watched today... guess what? the japanese were in the wrong under int'l navagation rules. its why they were doing what they were doing.
now reality, its like driving. "who ever has the most lug nuts wins" replace lug nuts with displacment and it works for water way navagtion.
I
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: Texas_Bryan on January 06, 2010, 05:27:24 PM
Why don't these hippies get a damn job and leave working folks alone? What stops the Japanese from shooting these people? Those hippies were cranking there props to run into the whalers. Just deep six these ass holes.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: TAB on January 06, 2010, 05:32:07 PM
if they shoot them, it will be a act of war for where ever the boat is registered under.(its clearly not a US registered ship)
the japanse are using a loop hole in the IWC(which they joined) to harvest whales for profit. If they want to kill whales, they should bow out of the IWC.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: billt on January 06, 2010, 05:44:44 PM
"While the six crew on board the Sea Shepherd vessel were rescued one of them with broken ribs captain of the vessel Pete Bethune tried valiantly to save the $1.5 million carbon-fibre stealth boat."
They say Carbon fiber is as strong or stronger than steel. It doesn't appear so in this case, does it? ;D What will we do with these children? ;D Bill T.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: TAB on January 06, 2010, 05:52:22 PM
it would have done the same thing if it was steel.
a 100 ton vessle( which is very small by ocean going standards) travling at 5 mph has close to 1.5 mill ft/lbs of energy. a super tanker or a large container ship that is in the 500k ton range going 5 mph has 7.335 trillion( yes with a T) ftlb of energy, even the slightest bump can/has/will destroy steel that is several feet thick.
hornaday match ammo in 50 bmg with a 750 gr @ 2815 fps only has 13194 ft lbs.
think about what 13194 ftlbs can do, now think about what 100x that can do.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: billt on January 06, 2010, 05:56:01 PM
LOSER
ADY GIL FACTS Length: 24m metres Crew: 6 Top speed: 40 knots Displacement: 16 tonnes. Cost: $US1 million Formerly the Earthrace, the Ady Gil was renamed after a US donor who bought the round-world record holder for the Sea Shepherd conservation Society.
As Roy Scheider said in "Jaws", "We're gonna' need a bigger boat!" ;D Bill T.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: bulldog75 on January 06, 2010, 06:09:24 PM
It is like a little yapping dog that runs around messing with a big dog. When he picks you up and shakes you and pees on you do not ask for sympathy from others. You asked for it and you got it.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: bulldog75 on January 06, 2010, 06:13:29 PM
Better yet why don't you guys got to a biker bar and back over their bikes and see what happens. Keep messing with people and bad things happen.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: twyacht on January 06, 2010, 07:02:37 PM
I have watched the "Whale Wars" show, and have seen their disruptive attempts, evolve into more bold and violent attacks on ships.
Maritime law, is old and pretty specific, Also noticed the "whaler's footage" showed the "stealth" boat in gear, wake behind transom, deliberately cutting in front of the whaling ship, which doesn't turn really well in tight spaces.
They got what they deserved. Regardless of what you "feel" about whaling, these idiots cut in front of a whaling ship, and got rammed.
In the old days, ships had cannons, or small deck guns, rifles for sure, and would just consider it act of piracy. Seems the Shonen Maru, acted like any good Capt. would.
Let the tree huggers go to Oregon and stand in the middle of the mountain roads the logging trucks roll down, and see what happens...
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: garand4life on January 06, 2010, 07:10:42 PM
This is just payback for the Steve Irwin ramming the Jap Harpoon ship last season. The Irwin turned into a Japanese ship at 20 knots ramming into her port side causing a breach in their own hull then had the guts to tell the media that the Irwin was the victim. I watched the Sea Shepherds own video that contradicted the idiots claim. But what do you expect from a bunch of untrained tree hugging, save the whale blow hards. They are going to get killed or kill someone else and then claim that it was all evil capitalists against the whales. I do agree that what is going on down there is in violation of the UN agreement but at the same time that's no excuse for piracy.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: billt on January 06, 2010, 08:36:34 PM
Also noticed the "whaler's footage" showed the "stealth" boat in gear, wake behind transom, deliberately cutting in front of the whaling ship, which doesn't turn really well in tight spaces. They got what they deserved. Regardless of what you "feel" about whaling, these idiots cut in front of a whaling ship, and got rammed.
If you watch this clip from the Jap ship, you are correct. They were in gear, moving forward, almost daring them to ram them. Also, notice how fast they got it into reverse and backed up after they got hit. They could have avoided the whole thing. They wanted to run with the big dogs, and they got bit. Idiots all. Bill T.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: billt on January 06, 2010, 08:41:17 PM
Looks like they took sailing lessons from these idiot's. Bill T.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 06, 2010, 08:49:33 PM
There is a lesson here that could applied profitably to the Sierra Club and a few other groups right here in the US.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: billt on January 06, 2010, 10:45:52 PM
Ever notice how these eco idiot's are always a little short in the common sense dept.? Bill T.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: TAB on January 06, 2010, 11:06:22 PM
the guy that leads them got kicked out of green peace for being to radical...
I think that pretty much sums it up.
PS, you would be shocked at who has given these clowns money.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: GUNS-R-US on January 06, 2010, 11:37:44 PM
These guys are just so lucky that the Japs can't have GUNS! or this little war their having might have a different tempo. ::)
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: alfsauve on January 07, 2010, 05:35:46 AM
They came to a dead stop and waited to be hit? Cause there's no way the Shonan Maru, could run them down.
ANDY GIL FACTS Length: 24m metres Crew: 6 Top speed: 40 knots Displacement: 16 tonnes. Cost: $US1 million Formerly the Earthrace, the Ady Gil was renamed after a US donor who bought the round-world record holder for the Sea Shepherd conservation Society.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: MikeBjerum on January 07, 2010, 07:07:42 AM
These clowns are upset about the whaling and claim it is illegal under international treaty. They have been fighting it, and no one else seems to join them. Since they can't get it stopped legally they poke at the Japanese to get them to do something else to stop them (the same idea as the football player that responds to a punch and is the only one penalized). This incident will be something they try and use in courts to stop the whaling.
If you don't think they are trying to get violent actions, watch the episode where they harass the whaling ship until the Williams gets shot in the chest. He was wearing a vest because he feared this would happen ... translate hoped this would happen.
Deepwater - What would your ship do if you were being harassed by a green group like this?
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 07, 2010, 10:33:58 AM
The French were actually on the right track when they dealt with Green Peace. But being French they screwed it up abysmally.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: billt on January 07, 2010, 10:51:33 AM
We are all a basically right wing leaning, conservative group here, and look at how many of us side with the Japs in this instance. The more this group does to draw violent actions to themselves, the more they will be criticized for it, and the more following they will lose. This happens all the time with these kind of people. It's much the same with the left and Sarah Palin. The more Letterman, and the rest of the Hollywood left wing loons pick on her, the more popular she becomes. No one like to see someone, anyone, be it an individual or group, get constantly picked on. It gets real old, real fast. That was a fairly large, high performance boat capable of 40 knots. They could have easily avoided the whole thing but didn't. They won't achieve martyr status for allowing themselves to be hit so stupidly. They played chicken with the wrong boat, and that is pretty much how everyone sees it. To be honest, I found all of it to be highly entertaining ! Bill T.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: Pathfinder on January 07, 2010, 01:05:14 PM
Entertaining to be sure, esp as you get the videos from both sides. The wake showing int he Japanese video is telling - the black boat was under power.
Too bad about the boat. I remember when it set out on an around the world sail using nothing but used cooking grease. Cool looking, innovative boat, too bad these wankers had to go and lose it through their own stupidity.
PS: I ain't in favor of whaling, but I am on the Japanese side here.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: jaybet on January 07, 2010, 01:36:01 PM
Maggie and I tried to watch a couple episodes of the show....couldn't watch because we were screaming so much at the tv. These guys are a*****s plain and simple. Pirates. Someone's navy should just go blow their dumb asses out of the water and it would be perfectly legal. The captain was thrown out of Greenpeace.
I saw one time they sent a little boat with a few guys who BOARDED the whaling boat. The whaler crew contained them (naturally) then the captain called the press and told them the whalers had "kidnapped" some of his crew. Then one time they almost lost their bigger boat because they wandered too close to the ice and got stuck. Good captain. If they were conservatives they would be in jail already.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 07, 2010, 02:01:42 PM
A lot of the "volunteers" think they are going to study whales until the "Captain", puts them in unnessecary danger with his grandstanding. He will eventually get some one killed.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: TAB on January 07, 2010, 11:54:09 PM
now granted, its still a very short video, so we have no idea whats actually going on, but from that clip it sure looks like they truned into them.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: MikeBjerum on January 08, 2010, 06:20:33 AM
TAB,
In the longer videos you could see the ship turn into it as well. However, in the other views you can also see the boat jockying around.
In a simple case of seamanship you would say the ship was wrong due to the last move. However, if you look at the whole episode the blame is on both. I liken it to a pesky mosquito ... you keep swinging at it to keep from getting bit, and sooner or later it was going to get swatted.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: TAB on January 08, 2010, 06:27:51 AM
you are right it is both there fualt.
I'll still stick too who ever has the most lug nuts wins.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: sledgemeister on January 08, 2010, 07:51:25 AM
If you watch the video from the japs this is the translation (voices heard on tape)
Quote
Now, AG is in front of us. We have collided with AG. The AG's course was obstruction. We have collided with the AG. The AG was crossing our path
Also what is not mentioned in the media mainstream is that they were avoiding a fouling line in the water which the protestors had laid infront of the path of the jap whaler, not really giving them an option of another course.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: deepwater on January 08, 2010, 07:55:31 AM
Deepwater - What would your ship do if you were being harassed by a green group like this?
I work on a tanker and don´t want these clowns anywhere near us. no telling how or what they would do to create an incident. besides, we´re drawing 36000 tons. tonnage has right of way! ;D
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: GUNS-R-US on January 08, 2010, 10:28:28 AM
Any body know what the rules of the sea are? Like rules of the road are at a intersection (4way stop) vehicle on the right has the right of way. How is it on the sea. I took a boating course 20 something years ago, but I haven't spent much time on the water since and can't remember.??? On top of that the protesters were seeking out the whalers they weren't just crossing paths! Thought's anyone?
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 08, 2010, 11:24:02 AM
I know a sail boat UNDER SAIL always has the right of way. doesn't apply here though as they were obviously under power.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: Timothy on January 08, 2010, 11:29:37 AM
I believe that outside of territorial waters, you can pretty commit murder and get away with it....but I"m no authority.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: fightingquaker13 on January 08, 2010, 11:35:38 AM
I know a sail boat UNDER SAIL always has the right of way. doesn't apply here though as they were obviously under power.
Thats the theory. The reality is that a frieghter always has the right of way because it will take them half a mile to stop and 5 minutes to "swerve". Its like semis and mopeds. Don't be in the way. Less true for a whaler, but its still a darn big boat and they don't have brakes. Problem with these guys is that like all extremists (insert your flavor here) they not only belive their own agit prop, but assume that the world is divided between "evildoers" and the majority who think the way they do. If they are martyred, it will rouse the slumbering masses to the cause. What they don't get is that the slumbering masses will look at them and say, "what a maroon". I don't like whalers, I like jackasses less. FQ13
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: C.O.T.U.S. on January 08, 2010, 11:47:58 AM
In a prior career I worked as a merchant mariner and officer. Mostly casino boats and tour boats off of Navy pier in the Republic of Chicago. Did do a little tow work as well.
The Japanese boat should have yeilded the right of way by the rules of the road. Size matters but, as a vessel motoring in the open waters you are obliged to allow vessels on your starboard side to cross.
Now, having said that, these ass hats also had an obligation to stop and reverse their couses prior to the collision. It's garbage like this that costs sailors their career. That Japanese Captian or Mate that was giving commands will undoubtedly get fired or demoted due to the near piracy of these eco-phornicators.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: Timothy on January 08, 2010, 11:53:20 AM
Is it just me or does the Captain of the Sea Shepherd kinda look like Mr. Bane?
Michael, you been moonlighting?
;D
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 08, 2010, 11:58:28 AM
PS, you would be shocked at who has given these clowns money.
No, not really. They name thier boats after the big donors Steve Irwin, through his widow Teri Bob Barker, "The Price is wrong b!t{h." Farley Mowat, Canadian author "Never Cry Wolf"
Then there is the rest of the "usual suspects:"
"Sea Shepherd has also worked closely with and received donations from celebrities.[5] Martin Sheen, Darryl Hannah, and Richard Dean Anderson have joined the group during protests. Actors including Edward Norton, Pierce Brosnan, Christian Bale, and Emily Deschanel have supported the group through contributions.[33] In 2007, actor Heath Ledger conceived and directed a music video of a yet-to-be-released Modest Mouse song, 'King Rat,' intended to raise awareness of the whale hunts taking place each year off the coast of his native Australia. Although Ledger died before the video could be completed, others finished it in his honour and debuted the video online in August 2009. Proceeds from iTunes sales of the video in its first month of release were donated to Sea Shepherd.[35][36]
From the music industry, Mick Jagger, Anthony Kiedis, Leona Lewis, Rick Rubin, and the group The Red Paintings have financially supported Sea Shepherd.[6] Both the musical groups Ignite[37] and Propagandhi[38] have raised funds through promotional online sales. In 2009, professional surfer Kelly Slater joined a Quicksilver Australia/Sea Shepherd partnership featuring a fundraising clothing line, including board shorts designed by Slater.[39]
The Lush cosmetics company joined with Sea Shepherd to raise awareness about the practice of shark finning in 2008. Lush produced 'Shark Fin Soap' (a word play on 'shark fin soup'); all sale proceeds were directed to Sea Shepherd.[40] To launch the soap and awareness campaign a performance artist suspended herself, using hooks in her flesh, in a Lush shopfront window in London.[41]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Shepherd
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: fightingquaker13 on January 08, 2010, 12:18:01 PM
No, not really. They name thier boats after the big donors Steve Irwin, through his widow Teri Bob Barker, "The Price is wrong b!t{h." Farley Mowat, Canadian author "Never Cry Wolf"
To launch the soap and awareness campaign a performance artist suspended herself, using hooks in her flesh, in a Lush shopfront window in London.[41]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Shepherd
You see, people like this scare me. If she were captured by the North Koreans, and they said, "Give up your contact info or we'll hang you with fish hooks". She could respond, "Oh, yeah, I did that for a charity gig once. Could you take some nice stills while you're at it, my make-up was all wrong the last time". They'd probably just let her go. ;D FQ13
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 08, 2010, 01:48:06 PM
Farley Mowat doesn't surprise me as he also wrote "a Whale for the Killing", "Never cry Wolf" was an alright book, but if you EVER see "The Boat that wouldn't Float" in the used book rack GRAB IT !!! You will laugh your self sick. WWII Marine fighter Pilot Bob Barker supporting this bunch DOES surprise me though .
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: fightingquaker13 on January 08, 2010, 02:02:30 PM
Farley Mowat doesn't surprise me as he also wrote "a Whale for the Killing", "Never cry Wolf" was an alright book, but if you EVER see "The Boat that wouldn't Float" in the used book rack GRAB IT !!! You will laugh your self sick. WWII Marine fighter Pilot Bob Barker supporting this bunch DOES surprise me though .
Barker was a PETA guy to his toenails, used to close the later shows with "Don't wear fur". Killing japs is fine, minks, you're going straight to hell. ::) FQ13
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: TAB on January 08, 2010, 04:02:57 PM
the red hot chili peperes gave then 100k last year.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: Timothy on January 08, 2010, 04:08:32 PM
the red hot chili peperes gave then 100k last year.
the "Red Hot Chili Grandfathers"? (French)
I think you meant Peppers!
;D
And who friggin cares... Anthony Kiedis (sp) is a bone head!
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: Pathfinder on January 08, 2010, 04:11:04 PM
What is it about these pirates sans AK-47s that draw out the nut jobs? I mean, someone named "Ady Gill" ponied up the cash to but the boat that just sank so that these dweebs can intentionally harass the whalers. Is it the whales?
On another site, one of the mods is a young emotional woman who has her panties in a serious wad over this, the killing of the poor whales and all, and the eco-terrorists can do no wrong, they are no different than Minute Men today after all (yes, she made that point). She actually seems to believe that the ends (stopping the killing of whales) makes Sea Shepherd's use of these tactics perfectly acceptable, especially since the Japanese are engaged in "illegal" whaling (her term, not mine).
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: twyacht on January 08, 2010, 05:01:14 PM
The ship has a manifest and is chartered to get whales, if it's soooooo illegal, where is the injunction, restraining order, Coast Guard, or even ANY one besides these eco-pirates?
The Japanese Capt. assessed the little "clown" boat, determined it was a threat to his ship, and the hard thing about playing chicken, is knowing when to flinch.
Neither did, and the little "clown" boat was the loser. He sure did back the hell up quick after being rammed...
AND, I'll bet NO charges are filed against the whaler.....
I remember PETA disrupted a bass tournament on Lake Norman some years ago, striking oars in the water, buzzing jet skis around the boats, etc,....
Seems all it took was a well placed Rapala lure to the ear of one of the PETA folks on a jet ski, to send them away... ::)
They ran right into my lure,....... ;D
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: TAB on January 08, 2010, 05:09:11 PM
I think we all pretty much agree that what the japanese are doing is wrong.( killing whales in the name of reserach and making a profit) If they want to kill whales, thats fine, nut up and drop out of the IWC. I do not agree with what the sea rats ( better name for them) are doing. I've also seen the japanese to very stupid shit to them.
sooner or latter there is going be one or more people killed, and there will be a shit storm over it.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: CJS3 on January 09, 2010, 08:28:27 PM
That Japanese Captian or Mate that was giving commands will undoubtedly get fired or demoted due to the near piracy of these eco-phornicators.
I have to disagree. They will probably get a bonus.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: twyacht on January 09, 2010, 08:49:49 PM
from COTUS The Japanese boat should have yeilded the right of way by the rules of the road. Size matters but, as a vessel motoring in the open waters you are obliged to allow vessels on your starboard side to cross.\
Check your COLREGS International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea 1972 Adopted and amended in 1977, 1981, 1989. Rule 7(d)(i) "danger bearing" "Determining Risk Of Collision" (OBTW, they crossed in front of the whaler), in a deliberate provoking maneuver. Throws the give way thing out....
The whaler was clearly the "stand-on vessel" as the punk ass eco boys intercepted her course, changed her course and bearing several times, and in essence was buzzing the whaler as she was faster and more maneuverable.
Also general right of way provisions, pertain to commercial fishing vessels, vessels NUC (not under command or under tow), vessels under sail, or work vessels with restricted manuevering.
Plus there is the 22.5 degree rule abaft... There is also the Danger Bearing for even a give way vessel that the eco punks violated.
The rules of the road went out the door, The whaler also gave "five blasts" to avoid collision. Your Inland Waters & Great Lakes regs are sound but don't apply to International Waters.
Check your Chapmans, I have. Plus common sense says don't play chicken with a larger vessel. They did, and they lost.
The Officers on the whaler will have beers bought for them back in port.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: crusader rabbit on January 10, 2010, 10:15:36 AM
twyacht is right-on: "The whaler was clearly the "stand-on vessel" But it may not matter as the eco-boys are now claiming the ramming was an "act of piracy on the high seas." I don't follow their logic, but I only have 15+ years as a licensed captain and a few hundred thousand miles under my keel, so maybe they know some law I haven't run across. When the eco-boys deliberately changed course, they made themselves the give-way vessel and had every duty to GTH outta the way. That's how a maritime court should see it. But, I have stopped believing in the logic of political bodies.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: deepwater on January 10, 2010, 10:49:08 PM
The Officers on the whaler will have beers bought for them back in port.
if not, I'll buy them beer when I get back to Japan. ;D
tonnage = less maneuverability = right of way. simple.
deepwater
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 10, 2010, 10:56:23 PM
Even if the Japs violate every rule in the book they STILL deserve free Saki for sinking the amphibious tree huggers.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: C.O.T.U.S. on January 11, 2010, 05:01:01 PM
While it has been ten years since my mates license expired. I will stand by the my original statemet. I'm comfortable in this because my next statement was that the eco-freaks also had a duty to avoid the collision and did not.
22.5 abaft the beam, Colregs, Stand-on vessel, I had to look up which side the green was on ;D
I will definitely differ to those still doing the job.
These guys tried everything to make the whaler the give-way vessel. That is why they are trying to say that they were a victim. Again, I believe these guys were ultimately in the wrong. Didn't really mean to start a tomato/tomahto thing, especially when I'm carrying cabbage. Just pointed out what I thought I REMEMBERED.
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: deepwater on January 11, 2010, 10:10:37 PM
While it has been ten years since my mates license expired. I will stand by the my original statemet. I'm comfortable in this because my next statement was that the eco-freaks also had a duty to avoid the collision and did not.
22.5 abaft the beam, Colregs, Stand-on vessel, I had to look up which side the green was on ;D
I will definitely differ to those still doing the job.
These guys tried everything to make the whaler the give-way vessel. That is why they are trying to say that they were a victim. Again, I believe these guys were ultimately in the wrong. Didn't really mean to start a tomato/tomahto thing, especially when I'm carrying cabbage. Just pointed out what I thought I REMEMBERED.
as was mentioned earlier, Chapman's is a good book for learning rules of the road. easy to read and very informative. and I'm sure that there's nothing in there that would justify the green weenies and their actions. they were in the wrong. above everything else when reading the rules/laws etc.... is 'do everything possible to avoid collision', these clowns provoked it.
deepwater
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: philw on January 14, 2010, 05:19:22 AM
what I do like is this comment from Captain Ahab regarding this article http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2010/01/12/121091_tasmania-news.html
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Cool great idea a demonstration, now who is up for a anti piracy demonstration on Parliament lawn this saturday? We can have a BBQ, point laser pointers at the opposition, throw butric acid bombs at them, and if someone could bring a bow and arrow it would really top it off for a great family fun day.... I will call the nippon consulate and see if they can drop off some whale burgers and dolpin rissoles for us...... Posted by: Captain Ahab of Hobart 3:23pm Tuesday
I can not wait for The Sea Sheapard organisation to be classed by the government as a terrorist organisation with there links to Peta and ALF IMO it won't happen as the Gov and the Media seem to be on there side the messed up part is they have since this happened had a Bucked load more cash given to them ( over $170,000) http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/sympathy-cash-pours-in-for-loss-of-ady-gil/story-e6frfku0-1225818122162
and no doubt they will be putting in an insurance claim in for a new boat
Hay Rob next time the Steve Irwin docks in Hobart do you think you can organise the French Army to do a Rainbow Warrior on it ;)
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 14, 2010, 11:00:15 AM
From Phils post; " Hay Rob next time the Steve Irwin docks in Hobart do you think you can organise the French Army to do a Rainbow Warrior on it"
See if they can actually ESCAPE this time ::)
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: sledgemeister on January 14, 2010, 01:53:05 PM
From Phils post; " Hay Rob next time the Steve Irwin docks in Hobart do you think you can organise the French Army to do a Rainbow Warrior on it"
See if they can actually ESCAPE this time ::)
The french would only $#^# it up again, best I go and meet them ;D Wonder what would happen if I get my green laser sight and lit them up coming up the river? Muahhhhh Better still on both sides of the derwent river is the remains of the old fortifications, including old cannons, a pound of black and a 5 minute fuse would give me enough time to get to a good vantage point and watch the fun unfold!
(http://www.derwentrivercruises.com.au/Assets/PNG/Bellerive_Battery.jpg) 5 mins from my place!
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: tombogan03884 on January 14, 2010, 02:14:45 PM
Looks like you are using "enough gun" ;D
Don't forget to use HEATED SHOT ;D
Title: Re: Eco terrorists get nailed.
Post by: sledgemeister on January 14, 2010, 02:28:18 PM