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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: philw on March 11, 2010, 06:27:46 PM
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'nuff said Phil. Damn, will Britain have the stones to bring back the "grand father" clause? Otherwise they and we are scewed. Hell we don't need terrorists, we're slitting our own throats.
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We're F*****! Oh by the way was this guy really arrogant or was it just me?
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He is arrogant. They will never win by fighting. They are too weak and gutless. They will act like cancer and eat us from within.
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Unlike previous World Wars, America will not be in a position to save Europe's Ass next time. We will have a hard enough time recovering from our own major screw up called the BHO administration.
Europe in general has catered to an influx of Muslim immigrants.
I posted this before. It's simply Muslim demographics, and Europe has bent it self over. Here's a 7 minute replay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
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He is arrogant. They will never win by fighting. They are too weak and gutless. They will act like cancer and eat us from within.
Wrong! I am going to defend Bill Maher and bash Bush. I know its a great shock and all will stand amazed. Still, it does need to be said. Cowards do not strap a 747 to their backs and fly into a building. Brave and fanatical men do. Thats their problem. Its not a lack of balls, its a lack of imagination. They are so hung up on litterally interpreting a book written 1400 years ago that they fail to adapt and evolve, and then get irrationally pissed when societies that do surpass them. Women are chattel. Ok that's nice, but if God wanted them to be under house arrest why did he give them talents to be so much more? Blasphemy! Don't question, just memorize. At the risk of sounding as arrogant as that MP I would submit the following (and without religious bias as I dom't care if they become Christian or not. Be Rastafarian for all I care). Still the only thing wrong with most Muslim countries is Islam. It is as defecient an ideology as communism. Pissed that you are lagging behind the west in development and standard of living? Don't declare jihad, burn a Koran. Gee, I guess I just got my self fatwaed, and just when I thought Eric was th only guy I had to worry about. ;D
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I am really wishing I had finished reading "While Europe Slept". This is exactly what the author was warning against. I may have to go into the basement and find it. Seems like some good reading for getting your blood pressure to spike.
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Europe has been through something similar before. That's why the croissants are crescent shaped, as an affront to islam and to remind Europeans of the cost to throw off the yoke of islam.
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Europe has been through something similar before. That's why the croissants are crescent shaped, as an affront to islam and to remind Europeans of the cost to throw off the yoke of islam.
Thats the French for you. March almost to the gates of Paris and despoil half the country. First we'll kick your ass under a guy named Charles Martel (about the last time that happened). Then we shall design a pastry that mocks you. Come back, and we shall mock you a second time! ;D ;D ;D
FQ13 who is ROFL
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FQ they hide behind women and children during fire fights. They are about as chicken Sh@@ as they come.
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I could lead a pack of girl scouts through france with firecrackers and have control of that country in a week.
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FQ they hide behind women and children during fire fights. They are about as chicken Sh@@ as they come.
Yep, but only if you give a damn about women and kids. Remember that the Geneva convention reflects (unsurprisingly) Western values. Here a man would die to protect a woman or child so endangering them is anathema. There? Well women are slaves on a good day. I don't care what branch of Islam I've listened too, and being an academic who studied comparative politics as a sub-specialty, I've listened to quite a few respectfully and at lenghth. Still it boils down to this. Women are good for sex, house work and raising male heirs. Otherwise, they should know their place. As far as the aforementioned male heirs? Well, I can make one that looks just like you, hence the five wives bit. Its a hard religion written for a hard people living in a hard place at a hard time. Problem is, the world ain't like that now. Its not the year 600. Nothing wrong with the people, they just need to grow out of an antiquated religion that was always involved in even more antiquated regional politics. If they can't or won't, we need to understand that we aren't facing cowards. They are not even a little bit afraid to die. They just want you to go first. Its a whole different value system. I'll leave you with Rudyard Kipling. East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet. Sounds trite right? Guess again. That particular line was written about Britain's struggles in Afghanistan and Pakistan back in the day. Same as it ever was.
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Then next time they hide behind women and children and they get hurt then maybe they should shut the f@@@ up and not say a thing.
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On the hiding behind women and children I will agree with FQ, just like shooting from Mosques and hiding weapons in Hospitals, it isn't cowardice and Bulldog knows it. It is simply good tactics of using our cultural peculiarities against us.
Give them the credit they deserve, after all, it's the only innovation they have come up with in 600 years.
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Then next time they hide behind women and children and they get hurt then maybe they should shut the f@@@ up and not say a thing.
Ah, but they won't. They know we care about them and that nobody (even them) likes seeing a kid get hurt. So they will use that. Frankly, they care less about killing a Marine than catching that Marine on camera killing a kid. It does them more good politically, and always remember that war is nothing but politics by other means. The ultimate objective is to destroy the enemies will to resist, not to destroy the enemy. (Clausewitz, "On War") We should never become as hard as them or what's the point? You don't defeat barbarism by becoming a barbarian. That said, we do need to HTFU and understand that the enemy isn't just using a different rule book, they're playing a whole different sport. We won't win by killing more civilians. They want us to do that for a reason. We just need to get that they don't give a damn about them. We need to let the world see that about them, and then go kill the bastards. To quote a a popular Muslim phrase "The infidel will not use the Faith against the Faithful". Well, right back at you Omar. "It ain't my job to keep your family safe, its yours. I ain't dying for kid when you put him in harms way to begin with". We need to get that message out not just to them and the world, but to ourselves..
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Wrong! I am going to defend Bill Maher and bash Bush. I know its a great shock and all will stand amazed. Still, it does need to be said. Cowards do not strap a 747 to their backs and fly into a building. Brave Brainwashed and fanatical men do. That's their problem. Its not a lack of balls, its a lack of imagination. They are so hung up on literally interpreting a book written 1400 years ago that they fail to adapt and evolve, and then get irrationally pissed when societies that do surpass them. Women are chattel. OK that's nice, but if God wanted them to be under house arrest why did he give them talents to be so much more? Blasphemy! Don't question, just memorize. At the risk of sounding as arrogant as that MP I would submit the following (and without religious bias as I don't care if they become Christian or not. Be Rastafarian for all I care). Still the only thing wrong with most Muslim countries is Islam. It is as deficient an ideology as communism. Pissed that you are lagging behind the west in development and standard of living? Don't declare jihad, burn a Koran. Gee, I guess I just got my self fatwaed, and just when I thought Eric was th only guy I had to worry about. ;D
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FIFY
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I'll accept that.
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Yep, but only if you give a damn about women and kids. Remember that the Geneva convention reflects (unsurprisingly) Western values. Here a man would die to protect a woman or child so endangering them is anathema. There? Well women are slaves on a good day. I don't care what branch of Islam I've listened too, and being an academic who studied comparative politics as a sub-specialty, I've listened to quite a few respectfully and at lenghth. Still it boils down to this. Women are good for sex, house work and raising male heirs. Otherwise, they should know their place. As far as the aforementioned male heirs? Well, I can make one that looks just like you, hence the five wives bit. Its a hard religion written for a hard people living in a hard place at a hard time. Problem is, the world ain't like that now. Its not the year 600. Nothing wrong with the people, they just need to grow out of an antiquated religion that was always involved in even more antiquated regional politics. If they can't or won't, we need to understand that we aren't facing cowards. They are not even a little bit afraid to die. They just want you to go first. Its a whole different value system. I'll leave you with Rudyard Kipling. East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet. Sounds trite right? Guess again. That particular line was written about Britain's struggles in Afghanistan and Pakistan back in the day. Same as it ever was.
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That's not bravery that's stupidity, ignorance, or just plain foolishness caused by generational PROGRAMMING. Much like the whole save the earth from the evil republicans has been for the last 25 years of the publicly educated in this country.
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Tatics are when you supress your enemy and flank his position and destroy him. Hiding behind women and children and spraying rounds over their heads not so much. It is more like they are scared that our troops are better trained and disiplined with sound tatics. So when you are out gunned and out manned and out classed you resort to tatics of cowards. Most people would crap their pants if they faced a Abrams tank or a gun truck with some of Americas finest and bravest. Can not blame them for resorting to what they do, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
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That's not bravery that's stupidity, ignorance, or just plain foolishness caused by generational PROGRAMMING. Much like the whole save the earth from the evil republicans has been for the last 25 years of the publicly educated in this country.
Whatever. It works. You have to not respect, but at least take seriously, some one who will strap 5 pounds of semtex to themselves just kill you. Idiot? yes. Coward? No.
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Tatics are when you supress your enemy and flank his position and destroy him. Hiding behind women and children and spraying rounds over their heads not so much. It is more like they are scared that our troops are better trained and disiplined with sound tatics. So when you are out gunned and out manned and out classed you resort to tatics of cowards. Most people would crap their pants if they faced a Abrams tank or a gun truck with some of Americas finest and bravest. Can not blame them for resorting to what they do, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
They are simply "Taking effective cover". But your missing the point, it is a classic Guerrilla Warfare concept, and you would do the same thing (sort of ), They KNOW they are lightly armed, poorly trained, with spotty leadership, so they do not attack an Armored Brigade with an overloaded taxi .instead they attack WEAKNESS.
It's pretty basic common sense, The evil capitalist infidels don't shoot at women and kids, They don't use their most excellent Counter Battery fire on Hospitals or Mosques, Gee, maybe I should take the stuff I don't want blown up, (My weapons, my Ammo supplies, and my butt ) and spread it amongst Mosques, Hospitals, Schools, and other places the ROE say they can not shoot at.
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They are simply "Taking effective cover". But your missing the point, it is a classic Guerrilla Warfare concept, and you would do the same thing (sort of ), They KNOW they are lightly armed, poorly trained, with spotty leadership, so they do not attack an Armored Brigade with an overloaded taxi .instead they attack WEAKNESS.
It's pretty basic common sense, The evil capitalist infidels don't shoot at women and kids, They don't use their most excellent Counter Battery fire on Hospitals or Mosques, Gee, maybe I should take the stuff I don't want blown up, (My weapons, my Ammo supplies, and my butt ) and spread it amongst Mosques, Hospitals, Schools, and other places the ROE say they can not shoot at.
Amen and Amen. They aren't cowards, they just don't play by our rules and so we get frustrated. Here's the key. We need to let the world know what they are doing so we aren't seen as blood thirsty cowboys (which is what they want). A little known, and we (and Israel) need to make it better known, part of the Geneva Convention is this. It is a war crime to hide yourself or materiel amongst civilians. Everybody knows you shouldn't shoot civilians. We need to remind folks that you can't shelter behind them either, and if you do, their blood is on your hands. Here's the neat thing. We don't need to scrap the Geneva Convention. Just follow it to the letter. "No uniform"? "Gee you must be a spy, sorry about that". "Hiding weapons in civilian areas? After we bomb them, we'll put you on trial for war crimes". Its why I think breaking the Geneva Convention is a mistake. It works for us here.
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But they do not recognize the Geneva Convention, that is only of use for PR, where they retain the under dogs advantage as "Peasants" to poor to even have uniforms standing up to the Armored might of the worlds last "SuperPower"
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Our own media, and bleeding heart liberal politicians play into their hands and it frustrates me. Different cultures means different rules. My rules say they are cowards. Theirs says they are brave little turds fighting a good fight.
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I only have one, Win.
And I don't care about any one else's, since I am not even considering obeying them ;D
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I only have one, Win.
And I don't care about any one else's, since I am not even considering obeying them ;D
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What else do you expect from a society basically made up of cattle. From the days of humanities first preisthoods. these people, (presumably the oldest "society" on earth )have been dominated by Dictatorships of one type or another, from Sargon, and Gilgamesh through Saddam Husein they have been firmly controlled and initiative is discouraged first by Kings like Cyrus, or Saladin, they at least allowed the arts and sciences to flourish.
If the central core of Christianity is "Love", the central core of Islam is "Submit".
After 6000 years of being taught "be thankful we allow you your life", now we expect them to jump up demanding to vote for Womens Lib, and Gay marriage. And we're surprised it doesn't go as smoothly as expected ?
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What else do you expect from a society basically made up of cattle. From the days of humanities first preisthoods. these people, (presumably the oldest "society" on earth )have been dominated by Dictatorships of one type or another, from Sargon, and Gilgamesh through Saddam Husein they have been firmly controlled and initiative is discouraged first by Kings like Cyrus, or Saladin, they at least allowed the arts and sciences to flourish.
If the central core of Christianity is "Love", the central core of Islam is "Submit".
After 6000 years of being taught "be thankful we allow you your life", now we expect them to jump up demanding to vote for Womens Lib, and Gay marriage. And we're surprised it doesn't go as smoothly as expected ?
And if the Neo-cons had learned that lesson there would be far fewer dead Americans than there are. I was and still am, anti the Iraq war, but for the sake of argument, pretend I wasn't. We should have just put someone in charge and gone home. Same with Afghanistan. Kick the Tailban to the curb, send the message that if you allow a group like Al Queda to wage war against us from inside your country we will decimate you, and call it a day. These people will never like us or share our values. Only an arrogant fool (paging W. with his oft repeated "Who says Muslims don't want democray in their countries"? Well me, and about 1400 years of history). Thing is, I do feel for the plight of the women in Afghanistan. I would like to see a democratic, pro-American Iraq. But, I don't think its worth a single dead Marine to achieve either goal. If they want a gender neutral democracy, good for them. But if they don't fine. Just don't attack us or harbor those who do and we're good. Was that so hard? Since when does basic hard nosed realism make you unpatriotic? Bottom line is, they ain't like us, never have been and never will be and don't try to change that or you'll fail. Just come to terms on a live and let live (so we don't have to kill you) policy, and walk away. Its all good, Inshallah ::).
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Kick the Tailban to the curb, send the message that if you allow a group like Al Queda to wage war against us from inside your country we will decimate you, and call it a day.
I have noted this before, but I will say again: We have forgotten HOW to win wars. Are we militarily superior? Without question we are. Are our men and women the bravest in the world? They have shown that time and time again. Will we actually forget about political correctness and win? Sorry. Not in the cards. We, as a nation, are too concerned about how we might be perceived by the rest of the world to do what it takes to win. And we allow politicos to be in charge instead of letting the generals lead the way (or, we make it impossible for a general officer to lead by making him into a political pawn).
Until we figure out that Fanatical Islam wants us DEAD, we will not do what is needed. And we are showing no indication of recognizing the truth.
I continue to weep for my country.
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For 1400 years they have tried to force the world to submit only blood has stopped them only blood will ever stop them.
Either kill them or submit no gray areas.I don't like saying it but I do beleive it.
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I have noted this before, but I will say again: We have forgotten HOW to win wars. Are we militarily superior? Without question we are. Are our men and women the bravest in the world? They have shown that time and time again. Will we actually forget about political correctness and win? Sorry. Not in the cards. We, as a nation, are too concerned about how we might be perceived by the rest of the world to do what it takes to win. And we allow politicos to be in charge instead of letting the generals lead the way (or, we make it impossible for a general officer to lead by making him into a political pawn).
Until we figure out that Fanatical Islam wants us DEAD, we will not do what is needed. And we are showing no indication of recognizing the truth.
I continue to weep for my country.
Crusader
And THAT Crusader, is exactly WHY we have been at war for (going on) 9 YEARS! We should have been done in Afghanistan in 9 months. Iraq should have taken no longer than a year. But the bleeding hearts will never allow our military to do the deed. I think that we would be much more respected in the world by WINNING wars instead of wallowing in the combat zone.
And I realize that this started in Vietnam, but how in the hell did it ever become fashionable to side with the enemy?
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I read about a war where small bands of fighters faced the forces of a foreign army that was better armed, trained, supplied and equipped.
The foreign army used the tactics of the day which were for the opposing forces to meet on the field of battle, form into rows and march towards each other, firing as they did so.
Well, the home team, knowing they could never match their opponents fighting by their opponents rules, hid behind the trees and bushes and harassed and ambushed the enemy rather than face them toe to toe.
I am sure they were considered cowards by the foreign army for not fighting out in the open like Real Men.
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JC5123 said: And I realize that this started in Vietnam, but how in the hell did it ever become fashionable to side with the enemy?
Actually, I think it started in Korea where we decidedNOT to pursue the enemy beyond what became the border of N&S Korea. If we would have gone ahead and kicked a$$ then, many of the problems we have had in the last 50 years would have been avoided. Still, the lefties in this country will maintain that huggs and kisses are all it will take to win over those who would do us harm. A more dangerous philosophy does not exist.
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Thanks for the clarification. Forgive me, my history on those 2 wars is a little fuzzy. They were before my time, and I was publicly educated. I do understand though, that when someone means to do you harm, you don't try to understand their pain and make nice with them. You pull out vastly superior firepower and kill the mother @%$#$#%. Save the hugs and kisses for your family.
This is the worry that I have in our current political climate. Our government is more concerned with the welfare of our enemy, then the well being of it's own people. I suppose there comes a time when a free society must rise up against those in power, because corruption has crippled the system. This is the time I believe we are living in. The American people are at war. Make no mistake. Only this time it is up to us, the people to win it. The arrogant asshats in Washington have no will to win. Certainly no backbone to do what is required.
Could it be that is the reason for the bowing BHO? He has no spine? ::)
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Here's a little different angle on why they are so eager to meet Allah.
From Psychology Today: Ten Politically Incorrect Truths About Human Nature
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200706/ten-politically-incorrect-truths-about-human-nature (http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200706/ten-politically-incorrect-truths-about-human-nature)
Most suicide bombers are Muslim
According to the Oxford University sociologist Diego Gambetta, editor of Making Sense of Suicide Missions, a comprehensive history of this troubling yet topical phenomenon, while suicide missions are not always religiously motivated, when religion is involved, it is always Muslim. Why is this? Why is Islam the only religion that motivates its followers to commit suicide missions?
The surprising answer from the evolutionary psychological perspective is that Muslim suicide bombing may have nothing to do with Islam or the Koran (except for two lines in it). It may have nothing to do with the religion, politics, the culture, the race, the ethnicity, the language, or the region. As with everything else from this perspective, it may have a lot to do with sex, or, in this case, the absence of sex.
What distinguishes Islam from other major religions is that it tolerates polygyny. By allowing some men to monopolize all women and altogether excluding many men from reproductive opportunities, polygyny creates shortages of available women. If 50 percent of men have two wives each, then the other 50 percent don't get any wives at all.
So polygyny increases competitive pressure on men, especially young men of low status. It therefore increases the likelihood that young men resort to violent means to gain access to mates. By doing so, they have little to lose and much to gain compared with men who already have wives. Across all societies, polygyny makes men violent, increasing crimes such as murder and rape, even after controlling for such obvious factors as economic development, economic inequality, population density, the level of democracy, and political factors in the region.
However, polygyny itself is not a sufficient cause of suicide bombing. Societies in sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean are much more polygynous than the Muslim nations in the Middle East and North Africa. And they do have very high levels of violence. Sub-Saharan Africa suffers from a long history of continuous civil wars—but not suicide bombings.
The other key ingredient is the promise of 72 virgins waiting in heaven for any martyr in Islam. The prospect of exclusive access to virgins may not be so appealing to anyone who has even one mate on earth, which strict monogamy virtually guarantees. However, the prospect is quite appealing to anyone who faces the bleak reality on earth of being a complete reproductive loser.
It is the combination of polygyny and the promise of a large harem of virgins in heaven that motivates many young Muslim men to commit suicide bombings. Consistent with this explanation, all studies of suicide bombers indicate that they are significantly younger than not only the Muslim population in general but other (nonsuicidal) members of their own extreme political organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah. And nearly all suicide bombers are single.
Or as they said in "Ghost Busters"
Dr. Peter Venkman: We've been going about this all wrong. This Mr. Stay Puft's okay! He's a sailor, he's in New York; we get this guy laid, we won't have any trouble!
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As much as I despise Psycho babble BS. I have to say this does in fact make sense. Wife stealing has a long tradition in such societies as the Arab, African, and Native American.
FQ, Iraq is a different situation than Afghanistan. Iraq DID have a long history of submitting to a central government. One of Histories earliest inscriptions describes Sargon The Great" defeating a rebellious vassal city.
We needed to stay to support the new Govt until they got control of the situation. Another reason for staying is to keep killing off the Iranians and other Fanatics coming to take a shot at the Americans.
Combat in Iraq is one of the few regular contacts between the US Gov and the upper echelons of the Muslim fundamentalist movement, there fore it serves as a Primary source of both Human intelligence from Prisoners but also of Technical intelligence through analysis of captured gear.
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we get this guy laid, we won't have any trouble!
Ok..so we need to help get prostitution established in Iraq.
They are gonna need advice on how to set it all up to avoid the financial, social and legal pitfalls that they will encounter.
Sounds like a job for ACORN...
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Ok..so we need to help get prostitution established in Iraq.
They are gonna need advice on how to set it all up to avoid the financial, social and legal pitfalls that they will encounter.
Sounds like a job for ACORN...
It would be poetic justice to "plant that seed" ;D
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I don't know, being the "Prostitution Czar", with full diplomatic immunity of course, doesn't sound like such a bad job. Tom and TT, I know Vitter and Spitzer have better resumes, but I will still put my hat in the ring. ;D ;D ;D
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Ok..so we need to help get prostitution established in Iraq.
They are gonna need advice on how to set it all up to avoid the financial, social and legal pitfalls that they will encounter.
Sounds like a job for ACORN...
Screwing people for money?
Sounds more like a job for Congress.
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Based on the directions some of this thread spun in, I saw this on The American Sniper's.org Facebook page and thought I'd add it here.....
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I made that observation in the week after 9/11.
We honored, praised, mourned and cried for the Heros who went into the stricken towers to save as many as they could.
I watched video of Arabs around the world celebrating those who flew the planes into the towers.
I know not all Arabs shared that joy, but it is clear what is in the hearts of those who did.