The True face of Islam

[bulldog75]

I could lead a pack of girl scouts through france with firecrackers and have control of that country in a week.

[fightingquaker13]

FQ they hide behind women and children during fire fights. They are about as chicken Sh@@ as they come. 

Yep, but only if you give a damn about women and kids. Remember that the Geneva convention reflects (unsurprisingly) Western values. Here a man would die to protect a woman or child so endangering them is anathema. There? Well women are slaves on a good day. I don't care what branch of Islam I've listened too, and being an academic who studied comparative politics as a sub-specialty, I've listened to quite a few respectfully and at lenghth. Still it boils down to this. Women are good for sex, house work and raising male heirs. Otherwise, they should know their place. As far as the aforementioned male heirs? Well, I can make one that looks just like you, hence the five wives bit. Its a hard religion written for a hard people living in a hard place at a hard time. Problem is, the world ain't like that now. Its not the year 600. Nothing wrong with the people, they just need to grow out of an antiquated religion that was always involved in even more antiquated regional politics. If they can't or won't, we need to understand that we aren't facing cowards. They are not even a little bit afraid to die. They just want you to go first. Its a whole different value system. I'll leave you with Rudyard Kipling. East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet. Sounds trite right? Guess again. That particular line was written about Britain's struggles in Afghanistan and Pakistan back in the day. Same as it ever was.
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[bulldog75]

Then next time they hide behind women and children and they get hurt then maybe they should shut the f@@@ up and not say a thing.

[tombogan03884]

 On the hiding behind women and children I will agree with FQ, just like shooting from Mosques and hiding weapons in Hospitals, it isn't cowardice and Bulldog knows it.  It is simply good tactics of using our cultural peculiarities against us.
Give them the credit they deserve, after all, it's the only innovation they have come up with in 600 years.

[fightingquaker13]

Then next time they hide behind women and children and they get hurt then maybe they should shut the f@@@ up and not say a thing.

Ah, but they won't. They know we care about them and that nobody (even them) likes seeing a kid get hurt. So they will use that. Frankly, they care less about killing a Marine than catching that Marine on camera killing a kid. It does them more good politically, and always remember that war is nothing but politics by other means. The ultimate objective is to destroy the enemies will to resist, not to destroy the enemy.  (Clausewitz, "On War") We should never become as hard as them or what's the point? You don't defeat barbarism by becoming a barbarian. That said, we do need to HTFU and understand that the enemy isn't just using a different rule book, they're playing a whole different sport. We won't win by killing more civilians. They want us to do  that for a reason. We just need to get that they don't give a damn about them. We need to let the world see that about them, and then go kill the bastards. To quote a a popular Muslim phrase "The infidel will not use the Faith against the Faithful". Well, right back at you Omar. "It ain't my job to keep your family safe, its yours. I ain't dying for kid when you put him in harms way to begin with". We need to get that message out not just to them and the world, but to ourselves..
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[PegLeg45]

Wrong! I am going to defend Bill Maher and bash Bush. I know its a great shock and all will stand amazed. Still, it does need to be said. Cowards do not strap a 747 to their backs and fly into a building. Brave Brainwashed and fanatical men do. That's their problem. Its not a lack of balls, its a lack of imagination. They are so hung up on literally interpreting a book written 1400 years ago that they fail to adapt and evolve, and then get irrationally pissed when societies that do surpass them. Women are chattel. OK that's nice, but if God wanted them to be under house arrest why did he give them talents to be so much more? Blasphemy! Don't question, just memorize. At the risk of sounding as arrogant as that MP I would submit the following (and without religious bias as I don't care if they become Christian or not. Be Rastafarian for all I care). Still the only thing wrong with most Muslim countries is Islam. It is as deficient an ideology as communism. Pissed that you are lagging behind the west in development and standard of living? Don't declare jihad, burn a Koran. Gee, I guess I just got my self fatwaed, and just when I thought Eric was th only guy I had to worry about.
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FIFY

 

[fightingquaker13]

FIFY

 

I'll accept that.
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[garand4life]

Yep, but only if you give a damn about women and kids. Remember that the Geneva convention reflects (unsurprisingly) Western values. Here a man would die to protect a woman or child so endangering them is anathema. There? Well women are slaves on a good day. I don't care what branch of Islam I've listened too, and being an academic who studied comparative politics as a sub-specialty, I've listened to quite a few respectfully and at lenghth. Still it boils down to this. Women are good for sex, house work and raising male heirs. Otherwise, they should know their place. As far as the aforementioned male heirs? Well, I can make one that looks just like you, hence the five wives bit. Its a hard religion written for a hard people living in a hard place at a hard time. Problem is, the world ain't like that now. Its not the year 600. Nothing wrong with the people, they just need to grow out of an antiquated religion that was always involved in even more antiquated regional politics. If they can't or won't, we need to understand that we aren't facing cowards. They are not even a little bit afraid to die. They just want you to go first. Its a whole different value system. I'll leave you with Rudyard Kipling. East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet. Sounds trite right? Guess again. That particular line was written about Britain's struggles in Afghanistan and Pakistan back in the day. Same as it ever was.
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That's not bravery that's stupidity, ignorance, or just plain foolishness caused by generational PROGRAMMING. Much like the whole save the earth from the evil republicans has been for the last 25 years of the publicly educated in this country.

[bulldog75]

Tatics are when you supress your enemy and flank his position and destroy him. Hiding behind women and children and spraying rounds over their heads not so much. It is more like they are scared that our troops are better trained and disiplined with sound tatics. So when you are out gunned and out manned and out classed you resort to tatics of cowards. Most people would crap their pants if they faced a Abrams tank or a gun truck with some of Americas finest and bravest. Can not blame them for resorting to what they do, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

[fightingquaker13]

That's not bravery that's stupidity, ignorance, or just plain foolishness caused by generational PROGRAMMING. Much like the whole save the earth from the evil republicans has been for the last 25 years of the publicly educated in this country.

Whatever. It works. You have to not respect, but at least take seriously, some one who will strap 5 pounds of semtex to themselves just kill you. Idiot? yes. Coward? No.
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