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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: CDR on March 23, 2010, 11:39:37 PM
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"When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the the other half gets the idea that it does no go to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation."
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Ask the Soviets, They are experts on the subject. Now they are dealing with the harder job of reeducating the population in how to actually DO things for themselves Will you have Corn Flakes or Cheerio's ? When there is only one cereal available you don't have these decisions.
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"When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the the other half gets the idea that it does no go to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation."
Welcome to the beginning of the end.
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More like the end of the beginning, next comes the real fight.
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More like the end of the beginning, next comes the real fight.
I'm beginning to think it's inevitable, and that saddens me greatly.
I hear the clank of metal on metal in the distance, but not so distant today as it was yesterday or the day before, or the day before, or the day before.
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I feel right now like it's the middle of the second season of Jericho. Right when they figure out that the government is no longer what they elected and it is slowly destroying the nation. We are almost to the point of armed conflict with the most dangerous people in the world. The kind that fear the loss of power at the hands of peasants. Wow haven't we been here before....
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All it needs is the right spark and we are back to "Hardhats" beating on "Hippies".
Remember Kent State ? That REALLY happened, US TROOPS fired on US demonstrators, it not only CAN happen here, it already has, Waco, Ruby Ridge, more examples of Govt. restraint.
If an over reaction were to happen, at the Second Amendment March, or some other large Political event such as the 1968 Dem. Convention. This was probably the point where the Socialists took full control of the Dem Party as they showed the "Dixiecrats" That they had "street muscle in more important cities than Selma Ala. or Little Rock Ark.
That was when the old time"decent crooks" were forced to bow to the sheer numbers of the then still much more urbanized Northern and Western Leftists heavily influenced by the socialist influenced unions.
The results will get ugly, both , the Civil Rights movement ,and Pulling out of Vietnam, both required constant propaganda and peaceful Marches to draw attention, but they needed violence in the form of Riots to have an effect.
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Well the far left does riot at IMF, WTO, Anti-War rallies, Congress staffers for far left members, handed out tickets to Code Pink, to interrupt hearings when Rumsfeld and Condi Rice went to Congress, after all THEY were EVIL.....
Far left eco terrorists ram whaling ships, pull down radio towers, ELF, burn jobsites down, etc,....Hmmmmm, how many of those groups were Tea Party members????
So NOW the Conservative, Independent, and even some "reasonable" Democrats are pissed. 62% of Americans want Republicans to continue to fight Healthcare. CBS News Poll, came out today.
This makes the Far-Left, Progressives really nervous......They don't want the now awakened giant to start rioting. It would make the WTO, G20, stuff look like a frat party....
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And now this:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/21350 (http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/21350)
"The coming of an American Reichstag?
By Doug Hagmann Thursday, March 25, 2010
A federal intelligence source reported in an interview last evening that the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security have been called in to “actively investigate incidents of violence and threats” made to at least ten Democrats and one Republican lawmaker since Sunday. Their involvement was reportedly requested by top House leadership and one unnamed, high-level White House official. According to this source, who agreed to speak to this writer under the strict condition of anonymity, “a ‘watch list’ has already been created that specifically names and turns their focus on various pro-life and tea-party organizations and individuals who are considered a threat to domestic security, continuity of government operations, and to the lives of lawmakers and their families.”
While published reports confirm that Capitol Police have been contacted and are addressing security concerns of lawmakers and the incidents of vandalism, the involvement of federal agencies has not been publicly disclosed, nor will it likely be on any official level. The reason, according to this source, is that high-level discussions between top lawmakers and agency heads are “exploring the application of the Patriot Act against any right-wing individual or group that poses a danger to government operations.” He added that “threat assessments and security measures for public assemblies at the Capitol, specifically focusing on conservative groups are being re-evaluated at the request of the White House and Democratic lawmakers.”
Dissemination of the list is obviously limited to avoid another “MIAC” episode, referring to the release of a document leaked from the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC).
According to this federal official, lawmakers and White House officials were stunned by the strong response against the health care bill, citing the protests at the Capitol. “Based on what I’ve heard, I don’t think they were expecting the type of response seen in not only the demonstrations, but in poll numbers and by conservative talk radio and television. “They have been monitoring all aspects of this situation, not just the physical assemblies,” he stated. “Watch lists are being created and updated to include anyone who appears to be organizing or acting as a gallivanting force behind the actual protestors.”"
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And now this:
I don’t think they were expecting the type of response seen in not only the demonstrations, but in poll numbers and by conservative talk radio and television.
Yeah..I can just hear their reaction. I just don't understand it. I'm sure we used enough grease.
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I hope I'm on it ;D
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All it needs is the right spark and we are back to "Hardhats" beating on "Hippies".
Remember Kent State ? That REALLY happened, US TROOPS fired on US demonstrators, it not only CAN happen here, it already has, Waco, Ruby Ridge, more examples of Govt. restraint.
If an over reaction were to happen, at the Second Amendment March, or some other large Political event such as the 1968 Dem. Convention. This was probably the point where the Socialists took full control of the Dem Party as they showed the "Dixiecrats" That they had "street muscle in more important cities than Selma Ala. or Little Rock Ark.
That was when the old time"decent crooks" were forced to bow to the sheer numbers of the then still much more urbanized Northern and Western Leftists heavily influenced by the socialist influenced unions.
The results will get ugly, both , the Civil Rights movement ,and Pulling out of Vietnam, both required constant propaganda and peaceful Marches to draw attention, but they needed violence in the form of Riots to have an effect.
Tom I was impressed, perhaps wrongly so, that when Kent State happened it somehow "got real" and "hit home" with the youngsters (I was younger) who had a cause on Dad's money until that point. It was my perception, as a youth, that the marches and riots which were great fun and a place to impress the girls and get laid began to evaporate. Is this an overall accurate impression that I have that these riots/marches began to disappear?
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Who is buying rope now?
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Tom I was impressed, perhaps wrongly so, that when Kent State happened it somehow "got real" and "hit home" with the youngsters (I was younger) who had a cause on Dad's money until that point. It was my perception, as a youth, that the marches and riots which were great fun and a place to impress the girls and get laid began to evaporate. Is this an overall accurate impression that I have that these riots/marches began to disappear?
Just based on my own musings I think what happened after Kent State was that the "Establishment" lost their nerve. This was a government that hesitated to bomb targets in Hanoi because they might accidentally blow some rice burner off his crapper.
At the same time the Left felt that the shock felt by the public signaled time to switch to working with in the system to implement long term infiltration to influence our institutions such as education.
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Just based on my own musings I think what happened after Kent State was that the "Establishment" lost their nerve. This was a government that hesitated to bomb targets in Hanoi because they might accidentally blow some rice burner off his crapper.
At the same time the Left felt that the shock felt by the public signaled time to switch to working with in the system to implement long term infiltration to influence our institutions such as education.
And they certainly were successful in that arena.
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Please tell me if my tinfoil hat is on crooked, but I could easily envision a scenario where certain folks on the left would threaten, assault or even kill one of the aforementioned members of Congress who voted for the plan, just so they could blame things on those of us who happen to agree with the TEA Party movement. Because no matter what happens or who perpetrates the mischief, we're the ones who will be blamed for it. The above scenario could also clear the way for "decisive action against" the TEA Party movement as a whole, since the left would move us from the category of whackadoos (where they have us now) to subversives, or even traitors.
Speaking of the 2A March. What would prevent the powers of darkness to "plant" somebody among the throng of peaceful 2A marchers with instructions to fire one or more shots. Whether they hit anything/anybody or not, they could set our cause back 40 years.
Am I too cynical?
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Please tell me if my tinfoil hat is on crooked, but I could easily envision a scenario where certain folks on the left would threaten, assault or even kill one of the aforementioned members of Congress who voted for the plan, just so they could blame things on those of us who happen to agree with the TEA Party movement. Because no matter what happens or who perpetrates the mischief, we're the ones who will be blamed for it. The above scenario could also clear the way for "decisive action against" the TEA Party movement as a whole, since the left would move us from the category of whackadoos (where they have us now) to subversives, or even traitors.
Am I too cynical?
use ta wuz I would have said yes, but...
Not for me anymore!
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I would not want to think that even the liberals who I do believe would do anything to advance their agenda would not stoop to that.
However, I might be wrong.
I do think it more likely that those who pull the liberal strings are capable and willing to perform those acts so that the liberals have the "smoking gun" they need.
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Tom I was impressed, perhaps wrongly so, that when Kent State happened it somehow "got real" and "hit home" with the youngsters (I was younger) who had a cause on Dad's money until that point. It was my perception, as a youth, that the marches and riots which were great fun and a place to impress the girls and get laid began to evaporate. Is this an overall accurate impression that I have that these riots/marches began to disappear?
Having lived through it, Kent State did as Tom noted cause the establishment to waver. However, it also drove home the fact to the hippies that this was real shit happening, not a lark. Most of them backed off on the protests, a few like the SDS became the violent Weather Underground.
The Altamont concert, where the Rolling Stones were performing, was where the "Age of Aquarius" really died - along with the black guy the Hell's Angels killed. A real WTF moment there- who ever had the brilliant idea of hiring the Hell's Angels as concert security?
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Having lived through it, Kent State did as Tom noted cause the establishment to waver. However, it also drove home the fact to the hippies that this was real shit happening, not a lark. Most of them backed off on the protests,............
My impression was that it was no longer fun so the rioting and desire to march waned. At least in and around LSU in Baton Rouge and other southern schools. There was lots of establishment talk...but on the line it was more talk than true backing off...just my impression.
Yeah...liberals would do that. They hire people to go to the opposition rally to start crap, they hire thugs to beat citizens to keep them out of "their" candidates town meeting....and though "they say" right wing my observation is the liberal/socialist/commies are the thugs.
Being nice and looking the other way has invariably meant death to many in the opposition some years down the road....be it Asia or Europe...why not here? If we abandon who and what we are why are we still special and immune to the same atrocities witnessed across the globe by mankind?
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The Altamont concert, where the Rolling Stones were performing, was where the "Age of Aquarius" really died - along with the black guy the Hell's Angels killed. A real WTF moment there- who ever had the brilliant idea of hiring the Hell's Angels as concert security?
The Stones, were too busy dealing with travel, groupies, and being rock stars, to have a say with who was "providing" security for a local venue.
Mic Jagger even tried to stop it, once he saw what was occurring. It was a dark time throughout the country, the DNC Convention riots were another glimpse of what happened during that time. Among many others praised by the left, as social justice.
Now come full circle, and see those folks for who they were. Bill Ayers, the weather underground, bombed Police Stations, and is now held in high esteem by the left. BHO initiated his campaign from his living room..... Cass Sustien, Eric Holder, Van Jones, Saul Alinsky, Rev. Jerimiah Wright, etc,.....
and now Tea-Party folks are the bad guys, the Bible clinging, gun owning, evil Conservative is the bad guy.....
Now the left is high on their horse and wanting to re-issue a Fairness Doctrine to shut opposing points of view down..
Anyone check the pressure cooker lately????
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I agree with you TW, except on one crucial point. That is this. Left or right is irrelevant. Its being young, stupid, and convinced you are right that matters. You think are as good as what you profess to believe in and if you are right, you're opponents aren't just wrong, but evil. The same with the Hippies as the Brown shirts. The Tea partiers are the same as the the Obamicans. Once there is blood in the water and power up for grabs, expect the worst from folks. That isn't politics, just an observation on human nature with a whole lot of history to back it up.
FQ13 who doesn't trust a zealot of any stripe as far as he can throw them. Now-a-days, that's not too far, which is why the Quaker carries a gun. ;D
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FQ, you have a point to a degree. Except the total threats to politicians of both parties, is around 40-50....The cooky fringe from both parties have left there mark, and the media is running with it.
How many tens/hundreds of thousand, (even millions) of folks are just waiting until Nov. CBS had 62% of this country polled going in the wrong direction.
The Tea Partiers didn;t beat anyone down like the SEIU union members did last summer, (BTW they beat a couple Black Conservatives up),.....
The Left orchestrates, the IMF, WTO professional rioters,,....haven;t seen that chapter in the Tea Party groups.
Remember the man who was found hanged with anti gov't slogans on his chest? Last Year? The MSM jumped on it as country folks dealing with it "their way".....
It was a fake and proven suicide, by a left wing wacko....
Just sayin.....The corrupt nature that has infected our gov't, won't be overturned by a "first shot" from us poor lowly citizens.
The gov't will "push" to the point of the "common man" having enough....That, is what the inside the beltway folks, scares them.
They would much rather prefer the sheeple,........
"Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
Daniel Webster
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The Tea Partiers didn;t beat anyone down like the SEIU union members did last summer, (BTW they beat a couple Black Conservatives up),.....
The Left orchestrates, the IMF, WTO professional rioters,,....haven;t seen that chapter in the Tea Party groups.
Remember the man who was found hanged with anti gov't slogans on his chest? Last Year? The MSM jumped on it as country folks dealing with it "their way".....
It was a fake and proven suicide, by a left wing wacko....
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Yup, the looney liberal left. They hold Bill Ayers, as you mentioned, in esteem who is a convicted terrorist and then decry peaceful protests and attempt to marginalize and derail them by calling them names and infiltrating and by sending in willing thugs and goons (SEIU, etc.).
It has been my observation that, much of the time, what a person passionately denounces in someone else is that which he does. If the looney libs are afraid of someone wacking them then I would say that is what is in their private thoughts for us. These are dangerous people who not only need to be voted out in November but which need to be investigated, prosecuted and imprisoned for their felonious actions.
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It probably makes me a bad person, but I greatly envy the freedom enjoyed by the left in their tactics.
It may be amoral but, I think that since politics is primarily a battle for the minds of "the Masses", and the goal is the preservation of the Greatest Nation in history, then the ends, (and the stunned look on the Targets face) justify the meanness.
Am I the only one that thinks Sarah Palin, after hearing her daughter excoriated in the media should have suggested we look at Obummer's mother, not in the present, anything goes, sense, but in the context of 1961 where she was a filthy tramp. I probably would have also mentioned that his fathers fatal crash was due to being drunk, which was also how he lost his leg.
I also would have made issues of he AND Michelle being forced to give up their law licenses, and their associates, Ayers, Wright, Blagoivic, etc, "birds of a feather....."
Read more about Hitlers actual campaigns, ( NEVER FORGET, HITLER WAS ELECTED ) even the color scheme of red and black was picked with an eye to stirring deep emotions and an image of unity and unstoppable grandeur, while with the help of the Brownshirt s, Goebbels portrayed the opposition ( accurately for the most part ) as fractured Communist rabble rousers. This gave him both an external enemy, the "Comintern", on which to build a sense of National unity, as well as the hidden, internal threat of the "Jew", to justify tighter security regulations, and just a few "reasonable" restrictions
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It probably makes me a bad person, but I greatly envy the freedom enjoyed by the left in their tactics.
It may be amoral but, I think that since politics is primarily a battle for the minds of "the Masses", and the goal is the preservation of the Greatest Nation in history, then the ends, (and the stunned look on the Targets face) justify the meanness......
Meanness? You are being too hard on yourself, since when is it mean to tell the truth and expose the lie? Its lunacy and foolishness at it's height to not challenge liars and thugs. Perhaps, better stated as being scared to offend someone..
Nope...not mean, not amoral. All that bull about moral highground which is not a true moral highground just a smokescreen to intimidate the weak minded into being accomplices in keeping the lie. Perhaps that is a good definition of being politically correct, aiding and abetting liars and thugs by muting the truth because of the spectre of intimidation of being called close minded, intolerant or....right wing.
Not a mean bone in your body Tom, eh?
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A few mean bones, I think we SHOULD use some of that thuggery and other dirty tricks.
I don't condemn Nixon for what he did, or tried to do. I blame him for getting caught.
I don't really see any difference between protecting my personal future and protecting my nations future, If biting , kicking , and eye poking are acceptable in self defense, the same methods are even more appropriate in defense of our culture.
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A few mean bones, I think we SHOULD use some of that thuggery and other dirty tricks.
I don't condemn Nixon for what he did, or tried to do. I blame him for getting caught.
I don't really see any difference between protecting my personal future and protecting my nations future, If biting , kicking , and eye poking are acceptable in self defense, the same methods are even more appropriate in defense of our culture.
Define "our" culture kemosabe. The point is this. No two fighters will ever agree on who should win. They can agree on the rules and breaking them has to have consequences. Throw the rule book out the window? Welcome to Congo, Haiti, Bosnia or Somalia. The last guy to run out of ammo wins and I don't really want to be goverened by Billt. ;)
FQ13
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Define "our" culture kemosabe. The point is this. No two fighters will ever agree on who should win. They can agree on the rules and breaking them has to have consequences. Throw the rule book out the window? Welcome to Congo, Haiti, Bosnia or Somalia. The last guy to run out of ammo wins and I don't really want to be goverened by Billt. ;)
FQ13
You voted for Obummer and object to BillT ? WTF ?
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You voted for Obummer and object to BillT ? WTF ?
I would greatly prefer Billt to the current POTUS. I just don't want a guy who has cooler guns than me to win by default is all. Although the lovely Melanie would be a vast improvement over our last half dozen or so First Ladies. ;)
FQ13
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Define "our" culture kemosabe. The point is this. No two fighters will ever agree on who should win. They can agree on the rules and breaking them has to have consequences. Throw the rule book out the window? Welcome to Congo, Haiti, Bosnia or Somalia. The last guy to run out of ammo wins and I don't really want to be goverened by Billt. ;)
FQ13
In a perfect world your point makes sense. The reality of the situation, however, is that for the left breaking the rules has no consequences. THe only one who suffer consequences are those of us who believe that people are responsible for their actions. That group obviouusly does NOT include your boy BHO.
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A culture where you are "entitled" to whatever you are willing to WORK for .
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A few mean bones, I think we SHOULD use some of that thuggery and other dirty tricks.
I don't condemn Nixon for what he did, or tried to do. I blame him for getting caught.
I don't really see any difference between protecting my personal future and protecting my nations future, If biting , kicking , and eye poking are acceptable in self defense, the same methods are even more appropriate in defense of our culture.
So, in essence here, I think what we are saying is application on one side of restraint leads to defeat by that side.
Otherwise, why would anyone here advocate self-defense?