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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Hazcat on April 16, 2010, 09:37:02 AM
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Posted April 15, 2010
Proponents say law-abiding citizens have a right to display their protection and that more states should allow it. Foes argue that the proliferation of guns on the streets and in the stores creates a deadly risk. Should open carry be the law of the land?
Edited by Steve St. Angelo
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2010/04/15/should-open-carry-of-guns-be-the-law-of-the-land.html
POLL and comments at link
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a bit torn.... I don't particularly want everyone to know that I carry, but if all that can carry, do, then the public would accept it more.. also no doubt I have a gun if it's on my hip and 'hangin' out there'. I probably would not open carry, but I do like the idea. My 1st engineer lives in the people's republic of Kalifornia, and get's pissed when I tell him that, yes, he can carry open, it is legal. I've researched it and shown him.. but he does not believe it. I guess it's because of folks like him that it's not more common. of course you will have a lot of unwanted attention from the law, but if you're legal, then you should have nothing to worry about. I vote for it, but as I said earlier, I would not open carry.
deepwater
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A.96.42% Yes
B.3.58% No
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I would have no problem living in a society where the majority of people DID carry. Either openly or concealed. In fact I would prefer open. Lets create a culture where the upstanding citizens ALL carry weapons. Think about what that would do to the crime rate in this country. It would be the one place in the world where CRIMINALS would live in constant fear for their lives. How cool would that be!
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I would have no problem living in a society where the majority of people DID carry. Either openly or concealed. In fact I would prefer open. Lets create a culture where the upstanding citizens ALL carry weapons. Think about what that would do to the crime rate in this country. It would be the one place in the world where CRIMINALS would live in constant fear for their lives. How cool would that be!
Read: Politicians
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Read: Politicians
You just got put on a Govt watch list
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I would have no problem living in a society where the majority of people DID carry. Either openly or concealed. In fact I would prefer open. Lets create a culture where the upstanding citizens ALL carry weapons. Think about what that would do to the crime rate in this country. It would be the one place in the world where CRIMINALS would live in constant fear for their lives. How cool would that be!
We used to have that culture. 100+ years ago, every self-respecting man went about armed. Crime was also rampant, and the gummint not so involved in running everyone's day-to-day life. There were even ads for tailors and pocket inserts that would fortify your pockets to ensure that the pistol would not print or wear out the pants or coat pocket.
When Wyatt Earp walked to the alley behind the OK corral, he carried his pistol in the pocket of his frock coat, no holster. It was the custom of the day.
I agree, I would have no problem going back to that. That's why I carry.
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You just got put on a Govt watch list
Which one this time. Besides I think that everyone in congress should carry too! AND they should get into brawls like they do in Thailand! That would be great! I would watch C-Span just to see someone throw a chair at Pelosi!
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While I myself would not generally open carry my reasons have nothing to do with Gun rights. But instead hinge on the fact that it leaves the weapon exposed to the bumps and abuse of daily living while concealed carry methods keep it closer to the body and more protected from bumps, bangs, and dings.
From the OP "Foes argue that the proliferation of guns on the streets and in the stores creates a deadly risk"
The anti's argument is nothing but hysterical fear mongering that has been repeatedly disproved by the spread of concealed carry and the accompanying drop in violent crime rates .
Another issue raised by the article is that Carolyn McCarthy is a liar, In her piece she states " contrary to public perception, I have never been against people owning guns for protection, hunting, or sport"
That is an outright lie as she has based her entire political career on the banning of private arms.
I am surprised she did not go into her "My husband died at the hands of a nut with a gun" rant. What she always neglects to clarify is that the "Beloved late husband" was in fact her ESTRANGED husband as she had received a restraining order against him based on his weekend hobby of getting drunk and beating her, she also neglects to mention that his murder, which saved her the aggravation of a divorce also supplied the insurance money that financed her entry into politics.
In short, the murder of her estranged husband is the best thing that ever happened to her.
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I can legally carry openly in MA and don't.....
I guess the rest of the country can make their own judgments.
I would like to see nationwide reciprocity for sure! I'm working on my fourth state CC permit with CT. It's costing too much money...
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Sitting here wishing TAB or FQ would rattle my cage ... or glad they haven't ;)
In my opinion, this is not a question about whether I would or should, or you would or should open carry. This is a question about whether the law should allow us to or prevent us from exercising our Constitutionally guaranteed Rights.
Yes, carry, open or concealed, should be legal in every state!
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From an American point of view its great, and I would support it to a degree.
However, the LEO's and their unions would have their boxers in a bunch, and the 22 year old "rookie" officer, with an itchy finger and lack of exp. would be a cause of concern.
Than where would it stop? Go to the supermarket with my AK slung over my shoulder? Tactical vest, with 150rds in 5 extra mags?
I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin,.... I prefer a National CCW, it just keeps from scaring the sheeple...
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From an American point of view its great, and I would support it to a degree.
However, the LEO's and their unions would have their boxers in a bunch, and the 22 year old "rookie" officer, with an itchy finger and lack of exp. would be a cause of concern.
Than where would it stop? Go to the supermarket with my AK slung over my shoulder? Tactical vest, with 150rds in 5 extra mags?
I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin,.... I prefer a National CCW, it just keeps from scaring the sheeple...
While I agree with you about the mall ninja stuff, it will only scare the sheeple until it becomes common. The hope is eventually to start turning the sheeple into sheep dogs. I think that this would be a huge step in turning the culture of this country back into one of personal responsibility.
I think the mall ninjas would get weeded out pretty quick by sheer peer pressure.
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From an American point of view its great, and I would support it to a degree.
However, the LEO's and their unions would have their boxers in a bunch, and the 22 year old "rookie" officer, with an itchy finger and lack of exp. would be a cause of concern.
Than where would it stop? Go to the supermarket with my AK slung over my shoulder? Tactical vest, with 150rds in 5 extra mags?
I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin,.... I prefer a National CCW, it just keeps from scaring the sheeple...
A fellow once posted on here about a country with a citizen military, and in the article was a gentleman with a Sig 550 on his back shopping, and not a surprised look about anyone around.
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Over 96% say it should be legal in the poll. I was one of them. ;D
Screw Not Scaring the sheeple. I ain't gonna be doing anything wrong with my legally openly carried firearm any more than I do with my legally concealed carried one(s) now. They can be scared until they realize that I'm going to the grocery store for the same reason as them. TO BUY FOOD FOR MY TABLE. I just happen to be carrying a firearm to protect myself from carjackers/muggers on the way to and from the store.
I wouldn't open carry all the time, but would some times.
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Good timing on this subject. Here in CA, our state assembly is hearing AB1934 next week, a bill to outlaw open-carry. The rest of the Country is moving one way, but our state continues to push the opposite way.
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As many of you know, I have family in AZ, an open carry state. Of course, now they are also a non-permit concealed carry state so anyone without a disqualifying background factor may carry concealed. Anyway, back to the open carry question... When I have visited Mom and Dad, I have open carried in AZ.
My current favorite piece is a Red Hawk in .44 Mag and it reeeeeally doesn't lend itself to concealed carry on my svelte physique, so I kinda welcome the opportunity to have it with me when I am in AZ. New Mexico is the same way. So, when I drive across the border from El Paso, I pull into that first NM rest area and strap a holster to my leg, wherein resides my Red Hawk.
The rest of the time, I CC my Glock 27--yeah, it's Tupperware, but my Tupperware will throw 11 rounds of Speer Gold Dots wiith surprising speed and accuracy, should the need arise.
And before someone gets their knickers in a twist, I know standard mags don't allow for that many rounds, but I have a Pierce extension and I carry one in the pipe.
And I think it should be legal in all 57 states (yeah, that was a slam on Odamna) Now I can be on a watch list, too.
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I'm with ya CR. Here in FL where you and I reside I would like to, on occasion carry my BBQ gun (Redhawk .45) or my 3 screw Blackhawk .357, neither of which lends itself to CC here in Tee-shirt and shorts land. ;)
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About the Sheeple....Yes, they would get used to the presence of firearms.
And it is likely that they ARE Sheeple because they have been conditioned to believe they are not competent enough to handle firearms to protect themselves.
The commonplace open carry might just do some deprogramming and free some of the Sheeple.
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About the Sheeple....Yes, they would get used to the presence of firearms.
And it is likely that they ARE Sheeple because they have been conditioned to believe they are not competent enough to handle firearms to protect themselves.
The commonplace open carry might just do some deprogramming and free some of the Sheeple.
Exactly!
When I was growing up every auto parts outlet carried gun racks for pickups. I actually thought they were standard equipment. Guns, shooting and hunting were a part of everyday life. You could buy guns in every catalog that came out. The Sunday paper had fliers from stores, and the Winchester 94 was commonly in there for anywhere from $75 to $95.
Over the years everything gun as slowly been taken away, and now people are afraid of them. There is something to be said for having something in full sight in everyday life. Put guns back in everyday life with no special attention, and people will find that they are no different than a tool like the pen in the shirt pocket or the fingernail file in the purse.
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A fellow once posted on here about a country with a citizen military, and in the article was a gentleman with a Sig 550 on his back shopping, and not a surprised look about anyone around.
I remember that post. That country is Switzerland.....
As far as open carry, i think it should be "re-normalized" to our society. For those who struggle with open carry of firearms, substitute Bible, book, newspaper, etc. in for guns and check your reaction. My point here is a right, is a right, is a right and we need to exercise them with vigor and common sense.
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The LEO's would fight it, it would turn a routine traffic stop for a burned out tail light into a "felony" stop, to disarm the driver.
Unless an upheaval of nationwide proportions occur, it will be a State by State thing, which is fine.
Open carry in MD? NJ? NYC? I doubt it. Even FL, doesn't have an open carry provision. Hell, Some of the cops around here are like boat captains, I wouldn't go to a range or a fishing trip with some.
The namby-pamby part of our culture/society is too PC, and would have to be "educated"...Meanwhile the MSM would proclaim doom and gloom shootouts, OK Corral, (they do that now with CCW)...
I would love to see the Brady Bunch have a hissy fit though,...
National CCW, and open carry relegated to the states.
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twyacht, remember that in AZ the law enforcement is ok with it. It is a matter of , as was said earlier, renormalizing it. Everyone needs to be brought to the realization that it is people who kill, and those that wish to do so will do with any weapon they can find. Once we all realize that a gun is no more dangerous in society than a knife, chain, bat, tree branch, beer bottle, car or massive fist all the do gooders will start working on fixing the true reason for murders.
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AZ and a lot of other states would IMHO, be OK with it. But re"normalizing it" just won't happen in some parts of this country.
Not yet anyway. We'll just keep Fighting the good fight, and hope things change. I voted on school grounds with my Kershaw pocket knife with clip.
Walked right past two Sheriff Deputies, and school was just getting out for the day. No big deal.
I hope we can renormalize the gun culture in this country, but the opposition will have to be rendered totally impotent.
Folks like Feinstien, Bloomberg, Schumer, and others won't stop.
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AZ and a lot of other states would IMHO, be OK with it. But re"normalizing it" just won't happen in some parts of this country.
Not yet anyway. We'll just keep Fighting the good fight, and hope things change. I voted on school grounds with my Kershaw pocket knife with clip.
Walked right past two Sheriff Deputies, and school was just getting out for the day. No big deal.
I hope we can renormalize the gun culture in this country, but the opposition will have to be rendered totally impotent.
Folks like Feinstien, Bloomberg, Schemur, and others won't stop.
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AZ and a lot of other states would IMHO, be OK with it. But re"normalizing it" just won't happen in some parts of this country.
Not yet anyway. We'll just keep Fighting the good fight, and hope things change. I voted on school grounds with my Kershaw pocket knife with clip.
Walked right past two Sheriff Deputies, and school was just getting out for the day. No big deal.
I hope we can renormalize the gun culture in this country, but the opposition will have to be rendered totally impotent.
Folks like Feinstien, Bloomberg, Schumer, and others won't stop.
your assuming gun control is a rational argument. both sides use emotion, in thier arguments. Its not to disimlar to the abortion debate.
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Your right TAB, the anti's believe their position as rational. As much as almost half of this country killed NO ONE over a parking space today.
They have their UN sponsored disarmament mindset, and will not stop for their belief. And yes it is tragically taken to the extreme of the abortion argument.
The difference is::: wait for it..............
The Second Amendment..
It is specific, plainspoken, and irrefutable.
Roe vs. Wade, is another debate.
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TW, He's talking about the emotion that people put into the debate, not the legal basis of the debate.
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Emotion has nothing to do with it, and tw is on the right track.
The question is "should," not will or when.
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Never mind, He's disagreeing with TAB and we all know how that will go ;D
But we have gotten off on a tangent about "open Carry".
In our current micro managed "There ought to be a law" society , what ever laws have to be passed should continue to support unregulated open carry of loaded fire arms by law abiding citizens.