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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: billt on June 10, 2010, 11:54:27 AM
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Does anyone know how these thinks work? I know they can put a device on your car you have to blow into to get it to start, but how do these things know if you drank, or are around booze? This is the first I've ever heard of such a thing. Bill T.
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sounds like it would be a hoot at parties! ;D
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If it only could tell if she was drinking, I'd guess it monitored perspiration, but if it also can tell if you are in the presence of alcohol, I'd have to guess at an air quality monitor?
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Found this:
Every 30 minutes, the bracelet (called a Secure Continuous Remote Alcohol Monitor bracelet, or SCRAM) automatically measures alcohol content in the wearer’s perspiration. The SCRAM bracelet will catch blood alcohol levels as low as 0.02 percent – that’s about one drink or less in an hour. Any attempts to wiggle out of or cut off the bracelet will trigger an alert, too. Once a day, the bracelet will send what it’s recorded to the company’s data center in Colorado.
at this link
http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/06/09/4486924-lindsays-booze-bracelet-turned-her-in-but-how-does-it-work
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Hey Bill! Link to story? What's the deal here? I hadn't heard anything about this. (Like I follow THIS train wreck)
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I also found this, which states that the measurement is taken above the skin so that air borne alcohol might be measured. It is considered a flaw in this monitor since cleaning compounds or mouth wash might trigger an alarm.
However, the most pervasive problem with the SCRAM technology is that it is non-specific for beverage alcohol. In published experiments where skin vapor ethanol is measured, a system very similar to that used by SCRAM, the researchers concluded that an effort should be made to exclude extraneous ethanol. Such ethanol can come from a variety of ethanol containing toilet products used by many persons. This non-specificity is due in part to the fact that the measurements are taken above the skin, allowing environmental factors to be inadvertently measured by the device. Perhaps more problematic is that the fact that fuel cells are used to detect the alcohol, and fuel cells are generally non-specific for ethanol, and can potentially respond to other alcohols such as methyl-, isopropyl-, and n-propyl alcohol, and to acetaldehyde. At least in theory, because fuel cells are non-specific, these other types of alcohol, if endogenous, can produce a curve that looks identical to one produced from a verifiable drinking episode.
At this link
http://www.1800duilaws.com/article/alcohol_monitoring_ankle_bracelets.asp
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A link to Lindsay's adventures:
http://www.tmz.com/person/lindsay-lohan/ (http://www.tmz.com/person/lindsay-lohan/)
Almost as sad as the Charlie Sheen's fiasco:
http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20100609/NEWS/100609867/1077&ParentProfile=1058 (http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20100609/NEWS/100609867/1077&ParentProfile=1058)
Poor baby.
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Hey Bill! Link to story? What's the deal here? I hadn't heard anything about this. (Like I follow THIS train wreck)
http://wonderwall.msn.com/music/undressed-for-june-9-celeb-fashion-faux-pas-8234.gallery?gt1=28135
Keep clicking "next" on the pictures until the one of her comes up.
" Not long after this photo was taken at the MTV Movie Awards, Lindsay Lohan's alcohol-monitoring anklet went off, resulting in another bench warrant being issued. Come on, was an electronic booze-detecting device really necessary?"
Nothing really. There was an article about some kind of fashion flub about something she wore, and it sarcastically made mention that perhaps it was to cover up her "alcohol monitoring bracelet". It just got me thinking because I've never heard of such a thing. But then again I don't get out as much as her. Bill T.
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I also found this, which states that the measurement is taken above the skin so that air borne alcohol might be measured. It is considered a flaw in this monitor since cleaning compounds or mouth wash might trigger an alarm.
However, the most pervasive problem with the SCRAM technology is that it is non-specific for beverage alcohol. Perhaps more problematic is that the fact that fuel cells are used to detect the alcohol, and fuel cells are generally non-specific for ethanol, and can potentially respond to other alcohols such as methyl-, isopropyl-, and n-propyl alcohol, and to acetaldehyde.
That is the first thing I thought of. Women often use isopropyl, (i.e. "rubbing alcohol"), to remove makeup, etc. Not to mention there are tons of over the counter cold and cough formulas that contain alcohol. Unless they can "get to her" within minutes of the alarm being triggered to confirm her sobriety, she, or anyone for that matter, could get a bum rap. This seems like a case of technology outpacing common sense. Bill T.
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i DUnt thinks thoses tHINGS ARE Any goot. ;D
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She was looking pretty rough at the airport.
http://espanol.video.yahoo.com/watch/145243/1613279
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i DUnt thinks thoses tHINGS ARE Any goot. ;D
No, but I sure like the way Christina Aguilera looks in leather and satin! Bill T.
http://music.msn.com/video/music/?g=74d0e6c1-2a7d-49ed-b954-720f030b1ddb
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Can't wait for the chip, darling. They can tell me when I'm ready!
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Lindsay who?? ::)
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Sort of like Morton Downey jr. They damn near ruined him by repeatedly putting him in jail for using coke even though he was a man who held an honest job and made good money. Granted, its not the best hobby to have, and damn sure an expensive one. Still, if he didn't get behind the wheel and doesn't have kids, who is he hurting? Why is it my business? And how many of my hard earned tax dollars are going to fund this crap? >:(
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Do you mean Robert Downey Jr.? I think the habit Morton Downey Jr. had that killed him was cigarettes. Bill T.
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Do you mean Robert Downey Jr.? I think the habit Morton Downey Jr. had that killed him was cigarettes. Bill T.
Oops!, Actually, scratch the oops. I really don't give rats rear about Hollywood and shouldn't have to apologize for not being able to tell one badly behaving yahoo from another. I feel the same way about politicians, but here, keeping their names straight is a matter of self defense. They are all the same though. Arrogant, spoiled and destructive. Its just that the politicians cost more than the actors. >:( ;)
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I actually kind of liked Morton Downey Jr. His arrogance was new and refreshing in the 80's. Now it's become mainstream, and kind of boring. Bill T.
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For those of you who may someday need this information, the monitor can be defeated (I'm told) by slipping a piece of lunchmeat between your skin and the bracelet. The sensor can't read what it doesn't contact. Of course, you'll want to avoid hanging around with dogs and other carnivours if you use this technique.
A better way IMHO would be to not get your sorry butt into a situation where this sort of monitoring is required. I've found that Bunny makes an excellent designated driver as she never has more than one glass of wine in an evening. This is of particular import when I get together with Haz, as we NEVER have just one. If a designated driver is not available, a taxi should be--or a couch.
Humbly submitted by Crusader who specifically does not encourage driving while under the influence.
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For those of you who may someday need this information, the monitor can be defeated (I'm told) by slipping a piece of lunchmeat between your skin and the bracelet. The sensor can't read what it doesn't contact. Of course, you'll want to avoid hanging around with dogs and other carnivours if you use this technique.
A better way IMHO would be to not get your sorry butt into a situation where this sort of monitoring is required. I've found that Bunny makes an excellent designated driver as she never has more than one glass of wine in an evening. This is of particular import when I get together with Haz, as we NEVER have just one. If a designated driver is not available, a taxi should be--or a couch.
Humbly submitted by Crusader who specifically does not encourage driving while under the influence.
My 1/2 brother is just finishing up 10 year in prison in Gainesville because of drunk driving.
He put some lady in a wheel chair.
What really irks me is that We had a woman here that killed her best friend last year driving a boat fast hammered at night. To make it even better, the week before her Trial started, she was pulled over doing 84 in a 55, The State cop was not going to chase her but she almost hit him, she was on her cell phone.
Her father owns the biggest marina on the Lake , She got 6 months.
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For those of you who may someday need this information, the monitor can be defeated (I'm told) by slipping a piece of lunchmeat between your skin and the bracelet. The sensor can't read what it doesn't contact. Of course, you'll want to avoid hanging around with dogs and other carnivours if you use this technique.
A better way IMHO would be to not get your sorry butt into a situation where this sort of monitoring is required. I've found that Bunny makes an excellent designated driver as she never has more than one glass of wine in an evening. This is of particular import when I get together with Haz, as we NEVER have just one. If a designated driver is not available, a taxi should be--or a couch.
Humbly submitted by Crusader who specifically does not encourage driving while under the influence.
One of the links I posted spoke about the lunchmeat bypass and said it would not work.
Stick with CR's second recommendation.
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One of the links I posted spoke about the lunchmeat bypass and said it would not work.
Stick with CR's second recommendation.
Of course THEY say it won't work. THEY also say guns kill people, bigger government is better government, and Odamna is The Won. None of that's true, either. Still, go with my second recommendation. It is proven to work.
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For those of you who may someday need this information, the monitor can be defeated (I'm told) by slipping a piece of lunchmeat between your skin and the bracelet. The sensor can't read what it doesn't contact. Of course, you'll want to avoid hanging around with dogs and other carnivours if you use this technique.
A better way IMHO would be to not get your sorry butt into a situation where this sort of monitoring is required. I've found that Bunny makes an excellent designated driver as she never has more than one glass of wine in an evening. This is of particular import when I get together with Haz, as we NEVER have just one. If a designated driver is not available, a taxi should be--or a couch.
Humbly submitted by Crusader who specifically does not encourage driving while under the influence.
And that's a bad thing??
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Whats the hoo har about her wearing a ankle bracelet? its not like its going to get caught on her knickers, the only photos I have seen of her she aint wearing any :-\
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Our own Sledgemeister wins my vote for today!
Whats the hoo har about her wearing a ankle bracelet? its not like its going to get caught on her knickers, the only photos I have seen of her she aint wearing any :-\