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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: McGyver on June 10, 2010, 04:22:02 PM
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I'm gonna start this thread with the hope that it will become the Most Read Thread of Our Group! Post your BEST QOTD!
Today's quote is from my FAV neo-con and 2012 candidate(I wish!), Fred Thompson:
" According to recent school enrollment figures, Hispanics are fleeing Arizona before the state's new immigration law takes effect.
Shame on those people for racially profiling themselves like that."
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Can't leave out this one! From Fred, again:
" Another cargo ship is trying to breach the Gaza blockade, and Israel's prime minister has vowed the ship will not reach land.
Ya know, these "activists" need to learn that, when your plan is to bring a knife to a gunfight, having a second knife won't change the outcome."
LMFAO!
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That right there is Funny! ;D
FQ13
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Last one for today:
Fred Thompson: "The UN is complaining that US drone strikes don't "respect the rules of war".
Really? Because all MY rulebook says is "keep killing terrorists until you win".
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Bessie Braddock: Winston, you are drunk, and what's more, you are disgustingly drunk.
Winston Churchill: Bessie, my dear, you are ugly, and what's more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be disgustingly ugly.
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Patton I believe:
“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.”
I'm surprise Tzu didn't include it in the Art of War.
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“The 1911 pistol remains the service pistol of choice in the eyes of those who understand the problem. Back when we audited the FBI academy in 1947, I was told that I ought not to use my pistol in their training program because it was not fair. Maybe the first thing one should demand of his sidearm is that it be unfair.” — Col. Jeff Cooper, GUNS & AMMO, January 2002
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“The 1911 pistol remains the service pistol of choice in the eyes of those who understand the problem. Back when we audited the FBI academy in 1947, I was told that I ought not to use my pistol in their training program because it was not fair. Maybe the first thing one should demand of his sidearm is that it be unfair.” — Col. Jeff Cooper, GUNS & AMMO, January 2002
If I'm speaking the words "use" and "sidearm" with a straight face and in the same sentence we've passed "fair" (whatever that is) about three exits back. Good for Colonel Cooper.
It brings to mind my dear departed Great Great Uncle Burt. He ran guns to the IRA (actually the IRB then) back in the twenties in exchange for whiskey. I came home to my Grandad's house in Ocala where we were visiting. I was maybe 8 or 10, I forget. What I do remember is that I had a bloody nose and a black eye from getting my butt kicked by some local kids at the park. I was crying and feeling very put upon. My "sweet" old uncle asked me what happened. I explained that they didn't like out of towners and I didn't go to the Baptist church, so they beat me up. He then asked "So some proddy's beat you and you let them"? To which I said "There were three of them, and one of me, it wasn't fair". That sweet old man of 80 years then slapped me hard enough to drop me on my ass. His words? "Boy, the only fair fight is one you walk away from and the other fellow doesn't". I didn't even complain about the slap to my folks because even as young as I was, I figured I earned it and learned something worthwhile from a hardass SOB. Tough love and one of my favorite quotes. ;D
FQ13 who loves the South and is proud of his less than law abiding redneck heritage. ;)
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God bless the good work ;D
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"What kind of sissy doesn't sleep without a gun under his pillow." Madeline Weston, "Burn Notice" 06/10/2010
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God bless the good work ;D
I loved that old man. I love him more as I get older. He was meaner than a snake, ruthless and had no respect for the law, whether it was running guns, boot legging or poaching gators. Still, I can't think of anyone I'd rather have watching my six. He taught me, in his own "unique" fashion that being the kind of man someone could say that about was the most important thing a man can do with his life. That and being able say you lived on the wildside enough to never have to lie (too much ;)) when you were telling stories over a bottle of whiskey because your real life had been weird and entertaining enough not to require it. Not the normal advice you give to a ten year old, but I still am glad he did. ;D
FQ13 who does appreciate his redneck relatives 8)
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Author unknown, but I use this one quite often:
"Yeah, I may be fat but you're ugly! I can diet! What can YOU do short of plastic surgery?"
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I loved that old man. I love him more as I get older. He was meaner than a snake, ruthless and had no respect for the law, whether it was running guns, boot legging or poaching gators. Still, I can't think of anyone I'd rather have watching my six. He taught me, in his own "unique" fashion that being the kind of man someone could say that about was the most important thing a man can do with his life. That and being able say you lived on the wildside enough to never have to lie (too much ;)) when you were telling stories over a bottle of whiskey because your real life had been weird and entertaining enough not to require it. Not the normal advice you give to a ten year old, but I still am glad he did. ;D
FQ13 who does appreciate his redneck relatives 8)
Sounds like a hell of a guy. ;D
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Sounds like a hell of a guy. ;D
He really was. Smoked like a chimmney, drank like a fish, had two bullet holes in him that I know about, one pretty big scar from a gator, another from a propeller and one knife cut on his face that he claimed he "got at work" and would say nothing more about it. Given that "work" included poaching, gun running and smuggling back in the day before he settled down and worked as a store keeper, you can draw your own conclusions. ;) And he still made it 85. :o ;D ;D ;D
FQ13
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I know that guy!!...wasn't he in that movie Second Hand Lions?
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Phil is the winner of the day
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Author unknown, but I use this one quite often:
"Yeah, I may be fat but you're ugly! I can diet! What can YOU do short of plastic surgery?"
Actually that was Winston Churchill and the real life (and confirmed) story is Bessie Braddock, Labor politician, told him:
"Winston, you are drunk, and what's more, you are disgustingly drunk."
Churchill: "Bessie, my dear, you are ugly, and what's more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be disgustingly ugly."
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Our own Sledgemeister, from "DownUnda" wins my vote today! (so far!)
Whats the hoo har about her wearing a ankle bracelet? its not like its going to get caught on her knickers, the only photos I have seen of her she aint wearing any :-\
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Actually that was Winston Churchill and the real life (and confirmed) story
;D ;D ;D and that is why I posted it the other day
Bessie Braddock: Winston, you are drunk, and what's more, you are disgustingly drunk.
Winston Churchill: Bessie, my dear, you are ugly, and what's more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be disgustingly ugly.
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Phil is the winner of the day
for those playing at home will notice that is were I get my Signature from ;D
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A Platypus is a duck designed by a committee
Encourage your people to be committed to a project rather than just involved in it. You know the difference between involvement and commitment don't you? In a meal of bacon and eggs, the chicken is involved, the pig is committed
Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once
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what do you mean there is no time for lubricant?
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God bless the good work ;D
And he does!
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what do you mean there is no time for lubricant?
wasnt that the SSAA (sporting shooters association of australia) President when doing a deal with then Prime Minister John Michael Howard when discussing the proposed 1996 infamous gunlaws.
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wasnt that the SSAA (sporting shooters association of australia) President when doing a deal with then Prime Minister John Michael Howard when discussing the proposed 1996 infamous gunlaws.
I thought it was Obummer and Pelosi talking about "Health care".
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I thought it was Obummer and Pelosi talking about "Health care".
Reckon Obummer stole it, its in his nature.
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what do you mean there is no time for lubricant?
I thought it was Obummer and Pelosi talking about "Health care".
Or Bawney on lunch break.......
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;D ;D ;D and that is why I posted it the other day
Sorry, Phil. I missed your posting.
Winston was sharp. Richard Burton has recounted how when he was younger and doing Shakespeare in London, Winston would come sit on the front row and say, loudly, all the lines along with the actors. Really shook up some actors. Only saving grace is Winston would leave at intermission.
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M58 wins for today!
"and I could have sworn we were watching the real eric whine about not getting to use a glock,"
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And today's winner is................................TomBogan!
"Proper nomenclature is important, other wise we don't know what some one is talking about, Stupid and ignorant are not the same thing, using them interchangeably doesn't change that."
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And today's winner is................................TomBogan!
"Proper nomenclature is important, other wise we don't know what some one is talking about, Stupid and ignorant are not the same thing, using them interchangeably doesn't change that."
Glad you liked it ;D
Feel free to use it, Winning quotes become public property of forum members ;D
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Just found this from Solus, from a few weeks back!
"24 hours in a day, 24 bottles in a case. Coincidence? I think not."
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Just found this from Solus, from a few weeks back!
"24 hours in a day, 24 bottles in a case. Coincidence? I think not."
Thanks, McGyver. I didn't think anyone was paying attention to me. You are an alright guy ....see ya tomorrow at mom and dad's ;D ;D ;D
All seriousness aside, I stole that line from someone...don't remember who, but I like to think it was from My Hero, Norm from Cheers..but I think it was before his time. You can even get a t-shirt with that line from Amazon.
Take care
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I've heard Homer Simpson use a time or two also!
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Another from Solus about Zero Tolerance policies......
"I guess it's only time to think when someone puts a spotlight on how you are acting like an idiot."
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A vasectomy means never having to say you're sorry. :o
I am ready to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the ordeal of meeting me is another matter. -- Churchill
Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm.
Girls are like phones. We love to be held, talked too but if you press the wrong button you'll be disconnected!
Never pick a fight with an ugly person, they've got nothing to lose
Ah, yes, divorce, from the Latin word meaning to rip out a man's genitals through his wallet.
My wife is a sex object. Evertime I ask for sex, she objects
all women charged for sex, prostitutes are honest about the price though
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
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Todays winner comes from Fred Thompson......Again!
" If Obama fires McChrystal, who will Obama pick to replace him?
Based on the Kagan nomination, I'd guess someone with no prior military experience."
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Actually that was Winston Churchill and the real life (and confirmed) story is Bessie Braddock, Labor politician, told him:
"Winston, you are drunk, and what's more, you are disgustingly drunk."
Churchill: "Bessie, my dear, you are ugly, and what's more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be disgustingly ugly."
There is another from Churchill to socialite Mary Astor, who he was seated next to at a State Dinner. The story was after the dinner was served a waiter brought Churchill a large decanter of Brandy and a large glass. Churchill promptly poured himself a healthy glass full. Astor, who despised men who drank, said to Churchill, "If you were my husband, I would poison that drink!" To which Churchill replied, "If you were my wife I'd drink it!" Bill T.
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l, "If you were my husband, I would poison that drink!" To which Churchill replied, "If you were my wife I'd drink it!" Bill T.
hehe I was looking for that one to post tonight ;D
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"you are giving up your birthright for some hardtack and bacon," Sitting Bull at one of the treaty negotiaons
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Todays winner is...........twyacht!
"I told you Kool-Aid intoxication causes brain damage."
Yep, twyacht, it does. But only if you drink it from today's democratic fountain!
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Todays winner is...........twyacht!
"I told you Kool-Aid intoxication causes brain damage."
Yep, twyacht, it does. But only if you drink it from today's democratic fountain!
Glock's is fresh and clean. Good and good for you. ;D
FQ13
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And todays winner is............TomBogan, AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!! LMAOROF!
"Not to down play M25's photography but that might be from the chili."
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"This is going to get ugly as a knife fight in a phone booth". What a recent instructor told me during a range brief.
My reply was. Only dumb a@@@@ bring knives to a gun fight.
Sorry guys that I have been away for training for 3 weeks and no way to get internet.
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After being struck by lightning while competing in a PGA tournament, pro golfer Lee Trevino was asked what he would do if he were out on the course and it started to storm again? Trevino replied, "I'd reach in my bag and hold up my 1 iron. Not even God can hit a 1 iron!". Bill T.
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"Everybody needs to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer." -- William Claude Fields
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You are what you read. You can't avoid reading some crap - so be sure to read lots of good stuff to dilute it....
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"God, what a mess, on the ladder of success; where you take one step and miss the whole first rung." - Paul Westerberg
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Ding, Ding!!!! Today's prize goes to Fred Thompson! ;D
"During the Citizens United case, Elena Kagan said it's ok for a law to ban books if the government doesn't enforce that law.
Sure. And using a gun to hold up a liquor store is fine as long as you don't pull the trigger." LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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One of my favorite Yogi Berra quotes came when he was talking about his favorite restaurant. He said, "The place is so damn crowded, nobody goes there anymore!" Bill T.
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"You gonna do something, or just stand there and bleed?"
Yeah I know it's a movie line, but it's still pretty damned good.
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Today from Fred Thompson (the guy is on a roll):
"Researchers say they have found a 10,000-year-old hunting weapon near Yellowstone National Park....... And laying next to it was a 10,000 year old Democrat trying to ban it."
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(http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0906/guns-dont-make-you-a-killer-politics-truth-right-to-bare-arm-demotivational-poster-1246137998.jpg)
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"On May 1, 2009 a Chicago teenager was chased down, beaten with baseball bats, run over by a car, shot and burned. I wonder when Mayor Daley will get around to outlawing baseball bats, cars and matches." - me
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"On May 1, 2009 a Chicago teenager was chased down, beaten with baseball bats, run over by a car, shot and burned. I wonder when Mayor Daley will get around to outlawing baseball bats, cars and matches." - me
Don't give him ideas. >:(
FQ13
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Sorry about that. You're right. He never had his own ideas. Or at least not a sane one.
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"If guns cause crime, all of mine are defective." Ted Nugent
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President Obama said that the US and Israel share an "unbreakable" bond. Obama should know. He's been trying to break it for months.~Fred Thompson
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President Obama said that the US and Israel share an "unbreakable" bond. Obama should know. He's been trying to break it for months.~Fred Thompson
LOL...from what I've seen of BHO's reactions, he has to be cussing every time Fred opens his mouth....good work, Fred.
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And yet ANOTHER winner from ol' Uncle Fred Thompson today!
" Musician Jimmy Buffet said that the oil spill was more Bush's fault than Obama's.
Personally, I don't lend much credence to the political opinions of a guy who can't even keep track of a shaker of salt."
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Ya gotta admit it, Fred has an awfully good sense of humor!
" Louisiana's Governor Bobby Jindal just signed a bill that would allow guns in churches.
Liberals are outraged, saying people shouldn't be allowed to force religion on their firearms like that."
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I guess we should call this "Fred's Thread" ................... ;D
New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo said that people who oppose building a 13-story mosque on Ground Zero are just being Islamophobic.
Yeah, why don't those people show a little gratitude? If it wasn't for radical Islam, there wouldn't even BE a Ground Zero.
~Fred Thompson
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I guess we should call this "Fred's Thread" ................... ;D
New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo said that people who oppose building a 13-story mosque on Ground Zero are just being Islamophobic.
Yeah, why don't those people show a little gratitude? If it wasn't for radical Islam, there wouldn't even BE a Ground Zero.
~Fred Thompson
Responding to Cumo......
Well to avoid offending Rastus ::) I will paraphrase the Gunny;
"Jimminy Cricket Pyle! You have got to be shitting me! What is your major malfunction?"
That's like building a KKK headquters in Selma or a Hitler museum in Brooklyn. WFT were you thinking? They kill us, now they get to build a memorial to the perpetrators over the scene of the crime? Does anyone think they're not laughing at us? Lord, ask about building a Crusaders memorial in Mecca. The only solace I have is that the elder Cuomo probably uttered the words "Fredo, you dissapoint me". ;D
FQ13
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And today, it's from Hazcat!
"No, I have it locked in a drawer to keep it from shitting in the pool!"
:-X :-X :-X :-X (git back to ur corner!)
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Today's winner: Crusader Rabbit from the Rugby thread;
"I will admit to having had a taste of it, but certainly not for it. The stuff would make a Palmetto Bug puke on his shoes."
:P :P :P :P :P, YUCK!
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TomBogan wins with THIS little beauty!
"Best thing about manual is that if you start getting in to trouble you can just stop cranking."
Hey Tom, is that a machine or your TOOL you were talkin' 'bout? :o :o :o :o
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Vice President Joe Biden said the reason the stimulus didn't work is that it wasn't big enough.
Which is like saying the best way to fix a flat tire is to take more air out of it.
Fred Thompson
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Sex is like oxygen, it's not important until your not getting any
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Sex is like oxygen, it's not important until your not getting any
Is that why they call it "Blue Balls"? ;D
I'll be in the corner for awhile......
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Bring Cheez Whizz ;D
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Bring Cheez Whizz ;D
And Slim Jims.... ;D
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Fred sure has a way with words!
" Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said that Obama was like a "teenager with a credit card".
Yup. And the 2010 elections are going to be like a big pair of scissors."
Give'em hell, Mr. Thompson! ;D
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Fred sure has a way with words!
" Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said that Obama was like a "teenager with a credit card".
Yup. And the 2010 elections are going to be like a big pair of scissors."
Give'em hell, Mr. Thompson! ;D
Ya beat me to it, McG...... ;D ;D ;D
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" A recent report shows that, despite numerous calls for boycotts, tourism in Arizona has actually INCREASED.
All we need to do now is figure out a way to get Eric Holder to sue the other 49 states, and this recession is OVER!"
from guess whoo?!
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Rush
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Nope, Uncle Fred again.
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Vice President Joe Biden has declared that the heavy lifting is over
for the year, and it's time to begin campaigning and talking about
the White House's accomplishments. The heavy lifting might be over,
but it sounds like the heavy shoveling is just beginning. (Jay Leno)
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Uncle Fred says "President Obama is celebrating his 49th birthday today.
I'll bet he really misses the days when his approval ratings were higher than his age!"
That's funny right there! ;D
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“Jan Brewer has the cojones that our President does not have to look out for all Americans, not just Arizonans, but all Americans,” Pailn said on “Fox News Sunday.”
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And Slim Jims.... ;D
And a fresh keg..... ;D
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Fair? What is fair? Fair is a place where you to to eat cotton candy and step in pig shit. -- (quote from tt11758) ;D
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After failing to send National Guard troops to the Arizona border, the ICE director who recently received a no-confidence vote will visit the area. Great. What's HE gonna do? Stand on the border and direct northbound traffic?
Fred Thompson
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After failing to send National Guard troops to the Arizona border, the ICE director who recently received a no-confidence vote will visit the area. Great. What's HE gonna do? Stand on the border and direct northbound traffic?
Fred Thompson
He's a lot better spokesman than he ever was a senator. He should stick to that. That's not a slam either. The guy left a safe senate seat to work on a TV show. Not cut out for running things. He IS however, one of the best voices for commonsense out there. He seriously needs to get in front of a camera more.
FQ13
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Let's see... Obama's paying $10 billion to save 100,000 teachers... that's $100,000 each. But the average teacher's salary is only $54,000.....Man, that government overhead is just killer......
Fred Thompson
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"An Arizona sheriff says that some Border Patrol agents are refusing to go near the border because it's too dangerous .............. Well, it IS pretty rough country down there. One minute you're on an uneventful patrol mission, and the next - BAM! - sued by Eric Holder."
Fred Thompson
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Today's a 2-fer:
Russia's Prime Minister Putin just returned from a trip where he shot a whale with a crossbow.
Not to be outdone, President Obama bragged that he just finished stabbing some tuna with a fork.
Fred Thompson
In Thailand, authorities arrested a woman for smuggling a real tiger cub hidden in a bag of stuffed toy tigers.
The administration is very upset, since she clearly stole Obama's election strategy.
Fred Thompson
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"I have sometimes asked myself whether my country is the better for my having lived at all? I do not know that it is. I have been the instrument of doing the following things; but they would have been done by others; some of them, perhaps, a little better." --Thomas Jefferson, 1800
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"President Obama has named an "Asian Carp Czar" to prevent the spread of the destructive fish in the Great Lakes.......He's trying to stop ASIAN carp?...... Man... Eric Holder's not gonna sit still for this kind of profiling."
Fred Thompson
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"President Obama has named an "Asian Carp Czar" to prevent the spread of the destructive fish in the Great Lakes.......He's trying to stop ASIAN carp?...... Man... Eric Holder's not gonna sit still for this kind of profiling."
Fred Thompson
ROFL! Though sad to say, if our other anti-immigration policy is anything to go by............. :-\
FQ13 who had a brief happy moment. I was imagining Eric Holder in chest waders, armed with a net and a supeona trying to detain illegal carp. That would be a useful job for him. ;D
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ROFL! Though sad to say, if our other anti-immigration policy is anything to go by............. :-\
FQ13 who had a brief happy moment. I was imagining Eric Holder in chest waders, armed with a net and a supeona trying to detain illegal carp. That would be a useful job for him. ;D
Don't laugh too hard...I heard BHO wants an Iguana Czar for south Florida.............. :P :P ;D
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ROFL! Though sad to say, if our other anti-immigration policy is anything to go by............. :-\
FQ13 who had a brief happy moment. I was imagining Eric Holder in chest waders, armed with a net and a supeona trying to detain illegal carp. That would be a useful job for him. ;D
in 14 feet of water . ;D
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in 14 feet of water . ;D
Lets not be excessive or mean Tom. Seven feet would suffice ;D
FQ13
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At $1.19 per litre, I prefer to think of it as magnanimity, not excess.
(no, I don't plan on using bottled water, Hudson river sludge will work.)
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"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, Sergeant, USMC
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It is not US who will judge those who will do us harm, it is GOD, what is up to us is to arrange the meeting.
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President Obama plans to address American schoolchildren in a speech tomorrow.
I'm assuming his message will be, "when things go wrong, blame whoever sat at your desk before you."
Fred Thompson
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"Fred Thompson: Democrat Congressman John Lewis said that Obama's presidency is reversing a fashion trend and encouraging young people to pull up their pants.
Well, I don't know about that, but Obama's definitely made a lot of folks tighten their belts."
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Uncle Fred's on a roll today! LMFAO!
Fred Thompson: " Reggie Bush has given back his 2005 Heisman Trophy, since he wasn't actually qualified to receive it at the time.
Still waiting for news on Obama's Nobel Peace Prize and Al Gore's Oscar."
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The Fred Thread is going strong.
When asked about Republicans running negative campaign ads against her, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, "spend that money, spend that money, pour it in, spend it all".
That sounds familiar... wasn't that the first draft version of the Obamacare bill?
Fred Thompson
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"It is not a field of a few acres of ground, but a cause, that we are defending, and whether we defeat the enemy in one battle, or by degrees, the consequences will be the same" ~~ Thomas Paine
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2 Rules to live by.....
Rule No1, Don't worry about the little things
Rule No2, They are all little things.
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"It is not a field of a few acres of ground, but a cause, that we are defending, and whether we defeat the enemy in one battle, or by degrees, the consequences will be the same" ~~ Thomas Paine
That's how the Socialists are implementing their system in this country.
Did you ever notice that almost every "Liberal" rule, law, and often statements, start with the phrase, "you can't"
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Our friend CJS3 wins with this line!
"If he was really as conservative as he claims, he wouldn't be a democrat."
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Uncle Fred Thompson:" During his MTV town hall, President Obama said "taxes are not higher since I took office".
What about the tobacco tax? Someone else must be buying Obama's cigarettes for him."
That's funny, right there!
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We may appeal to every page of history we have hitherto turned over, for proofs irrefragable, that the people, when they have been unchecked, have been as unjust, tyrannical, brutal, barbarous and cruel as any king or senate possessed of uncontrollable power - All projects of government, formed upon a supposition of continual vigilance, sagacity, and virtue, firmness of the people, when possessed of the exercise of supreme power, are cheats and delusions. The fundamental article of my political creed is that despotism, or unlimited sovereignty, or absolute power, is the same in a majority of a popular assembly, an aristocratical council, an oligarchical junto, and a single emperor. Equally arbitrary, cruel, bloody, and in every respect diabolical.
John Adams, Letter to Thomas Jefferson (13 November 1815)
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We may appeal to every page of history we have hitherto turned over, for proofs irrefragable, that the people, when they have been unchecked, have been as unjust, tyrannical, brutal, barbarous and cruel as any king or senate possessed of uncontrollable power - All projects of government, formed upon a supposition of continual vigilance, sagacity, and virtue, firmness of the people, when possessed of the exercise of supreme power, are cheats and delusions. The fundamental article of my political creed is that despotism, or unlimited sovereignty, or absolute power, is the same in a majority of a popular assembly, an aristocratical council, an oligarchical junto, and a single emperor. Equally arbitrary, cruel, bloody, and in every respect diabolical.
John Adams, Letter to Thomas Jefferson (13 November 1815)
Great quote from one of my favorite founders. Here's another from his son, John Quincy Adams, that should be branded into the forehead of every President. God knows, none since Bush senior have gotten it. :'(
FQ13 who really, really hopes we remember this one.
America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, equal justice, and equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations, while asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when the conflict has been for principles to which [32] she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama, the European World, will be contests between inveterate power, and emerging right. Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the general cause, by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself, beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force. The frontlet upon her brows would no longer beam with the ineffable splendor of freedom and independence; but in its stead would soon be substituted an imperial diadem, flashing in false and tarnished lustre the murky radiance of dominion and power. She might become the dictatress of the world: she would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit.
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Just one question FQ,
Why should we give a crap how other nations are governed , as long as they do business fairly with us, and do not commit acts of war against us ? As long as they buy our exports and sell us what we want to buy, who rally cares if they massacre their entire populations ?
In fact, the worse they are the better the chance that this nation of immigrants will drain off their "best and brightest" through legal immigration .
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Just one question FQ,
Why should we give a crap how other nations are governed , as long as they do business fairly with us, and do not commit acts of war against us ? As long as they buy our exports and sell us what we want to buy, who rally cares if they massacre their entire populations ?
In fact, the worse they are the better the chance that this nation of immigrants will drain off their "best and brightest" through legal immigration .
We should give a crap because we are decent human beings. What Adams the younger was poining out was that there is a difference between caring and wading into someone else's war. Its like Clinton in Kosovo or W in Iraq (once the WMD stuff was revealed to be BS). Yeah the regimes were bad. Yes we'll condemn it. But I still don't see a damn thing in either country worth a single dead Marine. Sadaam and Milosevik were bad men. Still, it wasn't really our problem in either case. We should only fight for our vital interests (narrowley defined). Idealism is nice, but that way madness lies. The ironic thing is that I agreed with W when he lambasted Gore over "nation building" during the campaign in 2000. He was right. Then he turned around and did the same damn thing. BO is doing it today. Its this weird belief that "inside every gook, there's a good American waiting to get out". We saw where that got us in Vietnam. It won't go any further in muslim countries. Adams said to set a good example and let other people fight their own wars lest we get involved in wars of empire or "nation building". There is no end to that road. Adams was right.
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We may appeal to every page of history we have hitherto turned over, for proofs irrefragable, that the people, when they have been unchecked, have been as unjust, tyrannical, brutal, barbarous and cruel as any king or senate possessed of uncontrollable power - All projects of government, formed upon a supposition of continual vigilance, sagacity, and virtue, firmness of the people, when possessed of the exercise of supreme power, are cheats and delusions. The fundamental article of my political creed is that despotism, or unlimited sovereignty, or absolute power, is the same in a majority of a popular assembly, an aristocratical council, an oligarchical junto, and a single emperor. Equally arbitrary, cruel, bloody, and in every respect diabolical.
John Adams, Letter to Thomas Jefferson (13 November 1815)
Ahh...another statement about the benefits of a Republic.
Stating how a Democracy or Majority Rules, be it a religious group or other political or social majority will be as bad as a despot in its dealings.
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Every Democracy has failed. Love live the Republic.
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Where the whole power of the government is in the hands of the people, there is the less pretense for the use of violent remedies in partial or occasional distempers of the State. The natural cure for an ill administration in a popular or representative constitution is a change of men.
~Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Paper #21
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Where the whole power of the government is in the hands of the people, there is the less pretense for the use of violent remedies in partial or occasional distempers of the State. The natural cure for an ill administration in a popular or representative constitution is a change of men.
~Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Paper #21
I know this thread is intended for quotes, but I must question the value of any statement by a treasury secratary who was such an SOB that the Vice President of the US would shoot him.
To make up for it I will post a quote from my favorite source. (me ;D )
"To hell with Democracy, God save the Republic !"
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I know this thread is intended for quotes, but I must question the value of any statement by a treasury secratary who was such an SOB that the Vice President of the US would shoot him.
To make up for it I will post a quote from my favorite source. (me ;D )
"To hell with Democracy, God save the Republic !"
LOL
Couldn't resist ..........................
I've been doing some reading and thought you might have a comment to that effect. ;D
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I've been baited ! ;D
You know me to well ;D
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I subscribe to the Federalist Papers page on facebook and that, along with some of your and FQ's debates, got me to brushing up on some things long forgotten. They usually post an interesting quote from a selection and then I use that as the base topic for that days tid-bit of 'brushing up'.
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I'll check that out as I'm on FB, but never check it unless I get notice in my e mail.
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I know this thread is intended for quotes, but I must question the value of any statement by a treasury secratary who was such an SOB that the Vice President of the US would shoot him.
To make up for it I will post a quote from my favorite source. (me ;D )
"To hell with Democracy, God save the Republic !"
What did that poor lawyer do that a Vice President of the US would shoot him?LOL! ;D
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What did that poor lawyer do that a Vice President of the US would shoot him?LOL! ;D
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:D :D :D So History repeats itself :D :D
The VP doesn't always end up being charged with treason, even if many folks think he should be....
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Cheney did not try to steal 1/3 of the continent either. ;D
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OK, guys...since this IS a gun forum, how 'bout this'un:
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb discussing what’s for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb willing to contest the majority decision.”
Once attributed to Ben Franklin, but later found to not be so....but whom ever said it, I like it.
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The quote is, from Franklin:
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
My personal favorite though, is from Douglas Adams, from "So Long, And Thanks For All The Fish":
"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see...."
"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"
"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford. "It is."
"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in."
Douglas Adams, in So Long, And Thanks For All The Fish (1984) Ch. 36
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The quote is, from Franklin:
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
He may have, but many don't think so now because they say they can't find it in any original writings..... but what the heck, it still sounds good.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
* Widely attributed to Franklin on the internet, sometimes without the second sentence. It is not found in any of his known writings, and the word "lunch" is not known to have appeared anywhere in english literature until the 1820s, decades after his death. The phrasing itself has a very modern tone and the second sentence especially might not even be as old as the internet. Some of these observations are made in response to a query at Google Answers.
The earliest known similar statements are:
o A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
+ Gary Strand, Usenet group sci.environment, 23 April 1990. [6]
o Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.
+ Marvin Simkin, "Individual Rights", Los Angeles Times, 12 January 1992:[7]
o Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
+ James Bovard, Lost Rights: The Destruction of American Liberty (1994), ISBN 0312123337, p. 333
+ Also cited as by Bovard in the Sacramento Bee (1994)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin
http://www.r8ny.com/blog/barry_popik/lunches_with_wolves_the_fake_ben_franklin_quote_on_democracy.html
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Fred Thompson writes:
"The head of the Federal Communications Commission said that its new rules regulating the internet were necessary to "protect consumers".
Why do I get the feeling that this is going to do for the internet what the TSA did for airline travel?"
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I know this isn't a hunting forum, but -
"I'm gonna fear God, love my neighbor, and hunt ducks. Then I'll let the chips fall where they may."
Phil Robertson - The Duck Commander
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I'm gonna miss his show! Hopefully he's gearing up for a 2012 campaign run, but I will miss his colorful quotes and ideas from the radio show!
https://www.fredthompsonshow.com/b/Fred-on-the-End-of-the-Fred-Thompson-Radio-Show/245493038738599047.html
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I'm gonna miss his show! Hopefully he's gearing up for a 2012 campaign run, but I will miss his colorful quotes and ideas from the radio show!
https://www.fredthompsonshow.com/b/Fred-on-the-End-of-the-Fred-Thompson-Radio-Show/245493038738599047.html
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So, one more from Fred:
"A team of scientists from Japan, Russia and the United States say they hope to be able to clone a Wooly Mammoth within the next 6 years.
Folks, I'm thinking the same thing you are. I'm gonna need a bigger grill."~Fred Thompson
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The U.S. Department of Transportation will be laying off 2/3 of it's workforce in the coming year. Apparently the Japanese have invented a shovel that will hold itself up. Unknown.
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Gotta keep it goin'.
Uncle Fred says:
"The World Bank says that food prices are at "dangerous levels" because developed nations are turning corn into ethanol.
Ya know, we wouldn't have this problem if they put it in mason jars instead of gas tanks."
ROFLMAO!
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George Will gets it right from time to time.
And, no, I do not read Newsweek.
http://www.newsweek.com/2011/02/27/high-speed-to-insolvency.html (http://www.newsweek.com/2011/02/27/high-speed-to-insolvency.html)
Remarkably widespread derision has greeted the Obama administration’s damn-the-arithmetic-full-speed-ahead proposal to spend $53 billion more (after the $8 billion in stimulus money and $2.4 billion in enticements to 23 states) in the next six years pursuant to the president’s loopy goal of giving “80 percent of Americans access to high-speed rail.” “Access” and “high-speed” to be defined later.
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To progressives, the best thing about railroads is that people riding them are not in automobiles, which are subversive of the deference on which progressivism depends. Automobiles go hither and yon, wherever and whenever the driver desires, without timetables. Automobiles encourage people to think they—unsupervised, untutored, and unscripted—are masters of their fates. The automobile encourages people in delusions of adequacy, which make them resistant to government by experts who know what choices people should make.
Time was, the progressive cry was “Workers of the world unite!” or “Power to the people!” Now it is less resonant: “All aboard!”
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George is a pretty bright fella. You may not agree with him every time but he's generally on the right side of an issue.
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A Utah man lied to authorities and said he was an illegal immigrant so he could get deported to Mexico and evade time behind bars.
Now THERE'S a tourism slogan: "Mexico - still beats jail." ~ Fred Thompson
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A Utah man lied to authorities and said he was an illegal immigrant so he could get deported to Mexico and evade time behind bars.
Now THERE'S a tourism slogan: "Mexico - still beats jail." ~ Fred Thompson
That is funny..... the deportation will be blocked by the feds and they guy will end up with a free education, welfare and SS for life.
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Not a quote from today...but one worth thinking about today. From Thomas Jefferson
"Yes, we did produce a near perfect Republic, but will they keep it? Or will they in their enjoyment of plenty, lose the memory of their freedom? Material abundance without character is the surest way to destruction.