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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: Pathfinder on July 03, 2010, 05:25:53 AM
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Of course, Phil Ochs and Pete Seeger are well-known neo-Commies, so this is not surprising. Can anyone - except for FQ with his honed leftist edjumacation - actually say they have even heard of more than 2 or 3 of these? I consider myself reasonably well-versed in music, and I can only recall 5 of the 12.
Top Twelve Most Patriotic Songs Ever
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/02/opinion/main6641517.shtml?tag=cbsnewsLeadStoriesAreaMain;cbsnewsLeadStoriesHeadlines (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/02/opinion/main6641517.shtml?tag=cbsnewsLeadStoriesAreaMain;cbsnewsLeadStoriesHeadlines)
(The Nation) Peter Rothberg is the Associate Publisher for Special Projects at Nation
I've always thought that the best things about America can usually be found embodied in our national music. In fact, as Peter Drier and Richard Flacks observed in a 2002 Nation article, "Most Americans are unaware that much of our patriotic culture--including many of the leading icons and symbols of American identity--was created by artists and writers of decidedly left-wing and even socialist sympathies." <Path: Red is the color on purpose, not for emphasis>
That includes, most decidedly, our music. "A look at the songs sung at post-9/11 patriotic tribute events and that appear on the various patriotic compilation albums, or the clips incorporated into film shorts celebrating the 'American spirit,' reveals that the preponderance of these originated in the forgotten tradition of left-wing patriotism." <Path: There's the money quote! WTF? ? ? >
So, in honor of July 4th, here's my top twelve list of America's most patriotic songs (in random order), with accompanying videos. It's a highly subjective list which could go on and on, so please use the comments field below to cite your own favorites and we can have a happy argument about it.
Power and Glory, Phil Ochs
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Not going to argue. Hell who am I kidding? Of course I'm going to argue. ;D You might note that the Pledge was written by Edward Bellamy, a Baptist Minister and a Socialist. Just sayin'. Discuss amongst yourselves. I will be ROFL.
FQ13
PS "This Land Is Your Land" penned by Woodie Guthrie who's guitar had a sticker reading "This machine kills fascists"?. Walt Whitman and Henry David Thoreau ringing any bells? Maybe, just maybe the Right doesn't have a monopoly on patriotism? No, that's heretical. I'll probably get a fatwa declared on me. Cause that's what REAL Americans do. ::)
FQ13
PS Path, If I misundestood the point of your post I apologize, just saying that folks of all political stripes love this country.
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Ummmmm how bout a few songs that are actually patriotic...
God Bless America?
The Star Spangled Banner?
Washington Post (John Philip Sousa)?
Stars and Stripes (Sousa)
Battle Hymn of the Republic?
My Country Tis of Thee?
America the Beatiful?
When Johnny Comes Marching Home?
I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy?
Yankee Doodle?
Dixie (lets remember it was written by a slave that had just gained freedom)?
All of the hymns for each branch of the military?
Didnt see any of those on that idiot's list ::)
Just cause its a hippie protest song does not make it patriotic!
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And if America as envisioned and founded, isn't what you like then no matter what, yer NOT a Patriot!
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Well, lets see:
'Battle Hymn of the Republic' written by Julia Ward Howe. A feminist, peace activist and Abolitionist. Yep, a lefty! Clearly a commie. ::)
The "Star Spangled Banner" written by Francis Scott Key, a trial lawyer, and on a peace mission to the Brits. Commie!
"When Johnny Comes Marching Home"? Its a rewrite of an Irish anti-war song written by Patrick Gilmore. The original lyrics are as follows:
While goin' the road to sweet Athy, hurroo, hurroo
While goin' the road to sweet Athy, hurroo, hurroo
While goin' the road to sweet Athy
A stick in me hand and a drop in me eye
A doleful damsel I heard cry,
Johnny I hardly knew ye.
With your drums and guns and drums and guns, hurroo, hurroo
With your drums and guns and drums and guns, hurroo, hurroo
With your drums and guns and drums and guns
The enemy nearly slew ye
Oh my darling dear, Ye look so queer
Johnny I hardly knew ye.
Where are your eyes that were so mild, hurroo, hurroo
Where are your eyes that were so mild, hurroo, hurroo
Where are your eyes that were so mild
When my heart you so beguiled
Why did ye run from me and the child
Oh Johnny, I hardly knew ye.
Where are your legs that used to run, hurroo, hurroo
Where are your legs that used to run, hurroo, hurroo
Where are your legs that used to run
When you went for to carry a gun
Indeed your dancing days are done
Oh Johnny, I hardly knew ye.
I'm happy for to see ye home, hurroo, hurroo
I'm happy for to see ye home, hurroo, hurroo
I'm happy for to see ye home
All from the island of Sulloon
So low in flesh, so high in bone
Oh Johnny I hardly knew ye.
Ye haven't an arm, ye haven't a leg, hurroo, hurroo
Ye haven't an arm, ye haven't a leg, hurroo, hurroo
Ye haven't an arm, ye haven't a leg
Ye're an armless, boneless, chickenless egg
Ye'll have to put with a bowl out to beg
Oh Johnny I hardly knew ye.
They're rolling out the guns again, hurroo, hurroo
They're rolling out the guns again, hurroo, hurroo
They're rolling out the guns again
But they never will take our sons again
No they never will take our sons again
Johnny I'm swearing to ye.
Yeah, there's right wing patriotism. ::)
" My Country Tis of Thee" was translated from a German Hymnal, a language the right wing succesfully sought to have banned during WWI.
Am I making my point Eric, Haz and Path, or do I need to go on? Because I can.
FQ13 ::)
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My point, Quaker is that if you are going to do a list of the most patriotic songs ever then put atleast some patriotic songs on the list.
*I dont kow why we are letting that idiot reporter bother us like this. That kid is probably just happy to be out of "journalism school" and have a job
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Yeah, there's right wing patriotism. Roll Eyes
" My Country Tis of Thee" was translated from a German Hymnal, a language the right wing successfully sought to have banned during WWI.
Uh, wrong,......Woodrow Wilson, a huge Progressive, who was a dangerous POTUS, violated more civil rights, and had the largest manipulated propaganda machine that even the soon to come Nazi's, admired.
Check your Wilson admin facts again....
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I hope he didn't get paid for that article ... but we all know he did :'( What a crock.
How many of you other old farts remember way back in the olden days when you would go to school, leave your hat at the door, recite the Pledge of Allegiance and then sing My Country Tis of Thee?
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Yeah, there's right wing patriotism. Roll Eyes
" My Country Tis of Thee" was translated from a German Hymnal, a language the right wing successfully sought to have banned during WWI.
Uh, wrong,......Woodrow Wilson, a huge Progressive, who was a dangerous POTUS, violated more civil rights, and had the largest manipulated propaganda machine that even the soon to come Nazi's, admired.
Check your Wilson admin facts again....
Just because he was a Dem doesn't mean he wasn't right wing. Re-segregating the civil service? The sedition act of 1918? Hell, "The Solid South" was solidly Dem because they hated Lincoln. After Truman in '48 and Strom and the Dixiecrats, and Johnson in in '64, they started voting GOP after Nixon and Reagan's "Southern Strategy'. Don't even try to pull this crap on a Southern boy because I know how my grandparents voted and why. :P
FQ13
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Funny, I don't remember mentioning any songs, FQ. Just stated a fact!
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Just because he was a Dem doesn't mean he wasn't right wing. Re-segregating the civil service? The sedition act of 1918? Hell, "The Solid South" was solidly Dem because they hated Lincoln. After Truman in '48 and Strom and the Dixiecrats, and Johnson in in '64, they started voting GOP after Nixon and Reagan's "Southern Strategy'. Don't even try to pull this crap on a Southern boy because I know how my grandparents voted and why. Tongue
FQ13
Uh, the "Dixiecrats" you mentioned, including Al Gore Sr, Robert KKK Byrd, all stymied the Civil Rights Act, until the Republicans pushed it through, even Kennedy and LBJ, realized, Eisenhower(R), was right to send the NG to a school to let those "colored folks" get into a de-segregated school.
Where's Jim Crow? ::)
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My point was simply this. Do not compare the pre'64 Democratic party with the current one. Its as accurate as comparing Eisenhower Republicans with the current crop. Two different animals.
FQ13
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My point was simply this. Do not compare the pre'64 Democratic party with the current one. Its as accurate as comparing Eisenhower Republicans with the current crop. Two different animals.
FQ13
I think the point you were trying to make was that Woodrow Wilson was right wing.
Just because he was a Dem doesn't mean he wasn't right wing. FQ13
Wilson was about as far left liberal progressive as them come.
You are once again missing the forrest for the trees on this thread, Quaker.
This idiot reporter was clearly demonstrating his left wing bias and hatred for all things Americana. If he was actually trying to assemble an accurate list of the most patriotic songs of all time he would have included many, if not all of the songs that I posted earlier. Hell, he still could have tied in his little "left wing patriotism" spin by pointing out the things you did. However, his major focus was not paying homage to the songs which over time have come to be known as truely patriotic and which stir up feelings of American exceptionalism. He was putting out there the songs that he felt best described America as seen through his warped little liberal perspective. I am very surprised he stopped short of putting an "I hate George Bush" song on the list.
WTF was indeed a very accurate title for this thread.
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I think the point you were trying to make was that Woodrow Wilson was right wing.
Wilson was about as far left liberal progressive as them come.
You are once again missing the forrest for the trees on this thread, Quaker.
This idiot reporter was clearly demonstrating his left wing bias and hatred for all things Americana. If he was actually trying to assemble an accurate list of the most patriotic songs of all time he would have included many, if not all of the songs that I posted earlier. Hell, he still could have tied in his little "left wing patriotism" spin by pointing out the things you did. However, his major focus was not paying homage to the songs which over time have come to be known as truely patriotic and which stir up feelings onf American exceptionalism. He was putting out there the songs that he felt best described America as seen through his warped little liberal perspective. I am very surprised he stopped short of putting an "I hate George Bush" song on the list.
WTF was indeed a very accurate title for this thread.
Eric
I will actually agree with you. My snippy posts were just meant to remind folks that neither liberals not conservatives have cornered the market on patriotism. Despite what Keith Olberman and Anne Coulter may say, the other side does love their country. It wasn't meant to be a slam on you. Also, I agree. while I like some (not all, but "Coal Mining Woman" is a classic), of the songlist, they aren't what I would prescibe for 8 year olds to sing at a school function. As far as Wilson, lets compromise and describe him as a racist, statist, authoratarian, internationalist asshole and recognize that both parties have their fair share of members who fit that description. That way, we can call a spade a spade and agree that NAFTA and the Patriot Act were bipartisan screwups.
Peace
FQ13
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That's funny, in another thread FQ described WW as the first Socialist Pres. Now he's suddenly "right wing" ?
Yes, I remember Pete Seeger, he was a folk singer, who had his minute of fame 45 years ago and could not hack itHe faded back into the obscurity of a barge on the Hudson.
Leftists, who by definition are promoting an unAmerican philosophy of Socialism and Communism, and describe themselves as "progressives", are not capable of being Patriotic. They consider themselves "citizens of the world" ::)
Every time Prof. FQ posts on politics he demonstrates why I think college is a waste of time and money.
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That's funny, in another thread FQ described WW as the first Socialist Pres. Now he's suddenly "right wing" ?
Yes, I remember Pete Seeger, he was a folk singer, who had his minute of fame 45 years ago and could not hack itHe faded back into the obscurity of a barge on the Hudson.
Leftists, who by definition are promoting an unAmerican philosophy of Socialism and Communism, and describe themselves as "progressives", are not capable of being Patriotic. They consider themselves "citizens of the world" ::)
Every time Prof. FQ posts on politics he demonstrates why I think college is a waste of time and money.
Wilson is hard to categorize. Economically (like TR and William Jennings Bryant) he was a border line socialist. As far as FP, he was an internationalist. As far as social policy, particularly on racial politics, he was a throw back to 1854. In terms of civil liberties? He was a straight up authoratarian, "The State can do no wrong (as long as I'm in charge, anyway)". I don't know whether you would classify him as a right winger, a far left winger or what. I'll settle for statist A-hole as he managed to push all my buttonns every minute he was in office. I despise the man. Call him what you will. IMHO he was Sui Genarous, a threat to everything the Republic stands for across the board. Socialist, fascist, something else entirely, I don't think there is an example of a more destructive President out there.
FQ13
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BTTT - I wrote this earlier but lost it when Firefox seized up - or the DRTV site had problems as it was last night. Anyhoo . . .
FQ, the problem is you are hung up on labels and not realities. The Socialism of the 19th Century was a far different beast than socialism today. Back then, it was a socio-cultural political movement to better the lives of people under oppressive, imperialistic and class-constrained European gummints. It was imported here cuz some benighted idiot - probably an academic - thought it would help those "downtrodden" by the man!" - not realizing that no one was downtrodden (passive voice), but had a great opportunity to have, or create for their children, a life well beyond what they could even dream of in the old country. Yes, there was discrimination, but not a rabidly class-driven society like the imperial countries (England, France, Germany, Russia, et al).
So socialism became a cure looking for a disease in this country, and was co-opted by the anarchists and then the Commies. And, in the past 50-60 years, it has been wildly mis-applied. Do you seriously contend that the socialist programs in this country have done anything but improve the lives of people here? The poor are poorer, and the ultra-rich are in power and damn well intend to stay that way. Instead of a class system, we have a welfare system that does the same thing. Do you think this is by accident?
Stop looking at labels used 200 years ago and today, and start looking at the realities. The gummint is a socialist state in all but name at this point, and what is the mood here? Hope is gone, replaced by a nanny gummint more than eager to pat you on the head and tell you "There, there, we'll protect/take care/cure/whatever you".
Socialism was a popular movement, now it is gummint policy. Oh, faux "libertarian", do you see anything the hell wrong here, or is it all "relative"?
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FQ, the problem is you are hung up on labels and not realities.
Boy that right there sums up all 5,907 of his posts
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Boy that right there sums up all 5,907 of his posts
That's BS Eric.
You forgot "I should have got an AK". ;D
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That's BS Eric.
You forgot "I should have got an AK". ;D
Thats why I bought the AR. Love it and won't sell it, but reality indicated AK.
I won't complain if its a fair shot. ;D
FQ13
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I compromised, I've got one of each now ;D
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That's BS Eric.
You forgot "I should have got an AK". ;D
Ooops.... 5,207 posts? ;D
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TomB, really has over 15,000 posts....???? ::)
;D
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Can someone pass me the popcorn. We have run out in the corner.
We are ok for beer though. CR and just stacked the fridge with some homebrew.