Another Huge WTF Moment!

[twyacht]

Just because he was a Dem doesn't mean he wasn't right wing. Re-segregating the civil service? The sedition act of 1918? Hell, "The Solid South" was solidly Dem because they hated Lincoln. After Truman in '48 and Strom and the Dixiecrats, and Johnson in in '64, they started voting GOP after Nixon and Reagan's "Southern Strategy'. Don't even try to pull this crap on a Southern boy because I know how my grandparents voted and why. Tongue
FQ13

Uh, the "Dixiecrats" you mentioned, including Al Gore Sr, Robert KKK Byrd, all stymied the Civil Rights Act, until the Republicans pushed it through, even Kennedy and LBJ, realized, Eisenhower(R),  was right to send the NG to a school to let those "colored folks" get into a de-segregated school.

Where's Jim Crow?

[fightingquaker13]

My point was simply this. Do not compare the pre'64 Democratic party with the current one. Its as accurate as comparing Eisenhower Republicans with the current crop. Two different animals.
FQ13

[ericire12]

My point was simply this. Do not compare the pre'64 Democratic party with the current one. Its as accurate as comparing Eisenhower Republicans with the current crop. Two different animals.
FQ13

I think the point you were trying to make was that Woodrow Wilson was right wing.

Just because he was a Dem doesn't mean he wasn't right wing. FQ13

Wilson was about as far left liberal progressive as them come.






You are once again missing the forrest for the trees on this thread, Quaker.

This idiot reporter was clearly demonstrating his left wing bias and hatred for all things Americana. If he was actually trying to assemble an accurate list of the most patriotic songs of all time he would have included many, if not all of the songs that I posted earlier. Hell, he still could have tied in his little "left wing patriotism" spin by pointing out the things you did. However, his major focus was not paying homage to the songs which over time have come to be known as truely patriotic and which stir up feelings of American exceptionalism. He was putting out there the songs that he felt best described America as seen through his warped little liberal perspective. I am very surprised he stopped short of putting an "I hate George Bush" song on the list.

WTF was indeed a very accurate title for this thread.

[fightingquaker13]

I think the point you were trying to make was that Woodrow Wilson was right wing.

Wilson was about as far left liberal progressive as them come.






You are once again missing the forrest for the trees on this thread, Quaker.

This idiot reporter was clearly demonstrating his left wing bias and hatred for all things Americana. If he was actually trying to assemble an accurate list of the most patriotic songs of all time he would have included many, if not all of the songs that I posted earlier. Hell, he still could have tied in his little "left wing patriotism" spin by pointing out the things you did. However, his major focus was not paying homage to the songs which over time have come to be known as truely patriotic and which stir up feelings onf American exceptionalism. He was putting out there the songs that he felt best described America as seen through his warped little liberal perspective. I am very surprised he stopped short of putting an "I hate George Bush" song on the list.

WTF was indeed a very accurate title for this thread.

Eric
I will actually agree with you. My snippy posts were just meant to remind folks that neither liberals not conservatives have cornered the market on patriotism. Despite what Keith Olberman and Anne Coulter may say, the other side does love their country. It wasn't meant to be a slam on you. Also, I agree. while I like some (not all, but "Coal Mining Woman" is a classic), of the songlist, they aren't what I would prescibe for 8 year olds to sing at a school function. As far as Wilson, lets compromise and describe him as a racist, statist, authoratarian, internationalist asshole and recognize that both parties have their fair share of members who fit that description. That way, we can call a spade a spade and agree that NAFTA and the Patriot Act were bipartisan screwups.
Peace
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[tombogan03884]

That's funny, in another thread FQ described WW as the first Socialist Pres.  Now he's suddenly "right wing" ?
Yes, I remember Pete Seeger, he was a folk singer, who had his minute of fame 45 years ago and could not hack itHe faded back into the obscurity of a barge on the Hudson.
Leftists, who by definition are promoting an unAmerican philosophy of Socialism and Communism, and describe themselves as "progressives",  are not capable of being Patriotic. They consider themselves "citizens of the world"  
Every time Prof. FQ posts on politics he demonstrates why I think college is a waste of time and money.

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[fightingquaker13]

That's funny, in another thread FQ described WW as the first Socialist Pres.  Now he's suddenly "right wing" ?
Yes, I remember Pete Seeger, he was a folk singer, who had his minute of fame 45 years ago and could not hack itHe faded back into the obscurity of a barge on the Hudson.
Leftists, who by definition are promoting an unAmerican philosophy of Socialism and Communism, and describe themselves as "progressives",  are not capable of being Patriotic. They consider themselves "citizens of the world"  
Every time Prof. FQ posts on politics he demonstrates why I think college is a waste of time and money.

Wilson is hard to categorize. Economically (like TR and William Jennings Bryant) he was a border line socialist. As far as FP, he was an internationalist. As far as social policy, particularly on racial politics, he was a throw back to 1854. In terms of civil liberties? He was a straight up authoratarian, "The State can do no wrong (as long as I'm in charge, anyway)".  I don't know whether you would classify him as a right winger, a far left winger or what. I'll settle for statist A-hole as he managed to push all my buttonns every minute he was in office. I despise the man. Call him what you will. IMHO he was Sui Genarous, a threat to everything the Republic stands for across the board. Socialist, fascist, something else entirely, I don't think there is an example of a more destructive President out there.
FQ13

[Pathfinder]

BTTT - I wrote this earlier but lost it when Firefox seized up - or the DRTV site had problems as it was last night. Anyhoo . . .

FQ, the problem is you are hung up on labels and not realities. The Socialism of the 19th Century was a far different beast than socialism today. Back then, it was a socio-cultural political movement to better the lives of people under oppressive, imperialistic and class-constrained European gummints. It was imported here cuz some benighted idiot - probably an academic - thought it would help those "downtrodden" by the man!" - not realizing that no one was downtrodden (passive voice), but had a great opportunity to have, or create for their children, a life well beyond what they could even dream of in the old country. Yes, there was discrimination, but not a rabidly class-driven society like the imperial countries (England, France, Germany, Russia, et al).

So socialism became a cure looking for a disease in this country, and was co-opted by the anarchists and then the Commies. And, in the past 50-60 years, it has been wildly mis-applied. Do you seriously contend that the socialist programs in this country have done anything but improve the lives of people here? The poor are poorer, and the ultra-rich are in power and damn well intend to stay that way. Instead of a class system, we have a welfare system that does the same thing. Do you think this is by accident?

Stop looking at labels used 200 years ago and today, and start looking at the realities. The gummint is a socialist state in all but name at this point, and what is the mood here? Hope is gone, replaced by a nanny gummint more than eager to pat you on the head and tell you "There, there, we'll protect/take care/cure/whatever you".

Socialism was a popular movement, now it is gummint policy. Oh, faux "libertarian", do you see anything the hell wrong here, or is it all "relative"?

[ericire12]

FQ, the problem is you are hung up on labels and not realities.

Boy that right there sums up all 5,907 of his posts

[tombogan03884]

Boy that right there sums up all 5,907 of his posts

That's BS Eric.
You forgot "I should have got an AK".  

[fightingquaker13]

That's BS Eric.
You forgot "I should have got an AK".  

Thats why I bought the AR. Love it and won't sell it, but reality indicated AK.
I won't complain if its a fair shot.
FQ13