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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: alfsauve on July 30, 2010, 10:32:50 PM
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So today I took the new 10/22 Target out to the range. No modifications other than putting a 4-12x40AO Simmons Air on it.
I had three brands of ammo. CCI Standard (lead), Eley Sport (lead) and Fed Copper Plated HP. The rifle functioned flawlessly. One Eley round did catch on the lip and bend, but I attribute that to the ammo. From the targets Eley did not meet up to expectations. I suspect the "sport" line is a lower cost/quality line.
Ammo made a huge difference. As you can see from the targets, I shot to 1/2" - 5 shot consecutive groups a 50yds with CCI Standards !!! Now that's what I'm talkin' about. I was literally holding my breath on the second five shots. I couldn't believe how good it shoots. A far cry from the original 10/22s. The Eley and the Federal just didin't hack it at least in this gun. I traded a beautiful Savage MKII Target w/ thumbhole stock for this 10/22 because I couldn't get the Savage to shoot anywhere near this good.
Now I wonder how she'll shoot if I relieve the stock a little so the barrel is truely freefloating? Or do I leave well enough alone?
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh20/alfsauve/Targets/Target072910-02.jpg)
And while I was there I broke in my new AR Lower with my ER Shaw bull barrel. Not exactly what I wanted but the trigger is stock and needs upgrading. And this was standard PMC 55gr ammo. A little work to do yet.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh20/alfsauve/Targets/Targer072910.jpg)
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Stick with the CCI ammo, Eley ammo is overrated, Fed ammo, is hot barrel plinking fodder,...
As I posted, everyone has to have a 10/22. ;D
looks like the AR is combat accurate, probably shoot as well with other ammo. I get great results in my Sig556 with the PMC stuff, and it looks like it won't need much work.
Thanks for the range report. Looks like your right on target.
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Alf, even I have never been drunk/stoned enough to mess with that 10/22 with the CCIs. All but one in the black at 50 yards? What more do you want unless you are looking at the Olympics? Seriously, leave it alone and thank God that you have a rifle that accurate.
In the same vien, I would call your AR more than good enough. You put nine out of ten in the bad guy, and the one miss seems like an issue of breath control as it deviated vertically. You killed him nine times out of ten and caused him to get right with God once. ;D The Quakers view? Good enough. Just my .02.
FQ13
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:o I agree with FQ ? ??? :o
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Did you find the Eley to be especially dirty ?
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Good shooting.
I've always got the best accuracy in all my .22 guns from CCI ammo.
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CCI all the way alf, might have to try that ammo in my charger see what sort of groups I can get.
Mind you it shoots pretty ordinary ;)
10 shot group 50yrds
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CCI all the way alf, might have to try that ammo in my charger see what sort of groups I can get.
Mind you it shoots pretty ordinary ;)
10 shot group 50yrds
Great group, Sledge. (That's around 0.6" for those metrically challenaged) Of course the charger has less barrel to vibrate and while it may loose just a little velocity, it should shoot very well.
I was totally surprised by the variance in ammo. I could understand grouping higher or lower, but the Eley disappointed me. The .22lr isn't all that accurate a round anyway, but after firing the CCI, I would have suspected the Federal stuff would have done better.
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Lower velocity CCI's will group better because they suffer less buffeting from approaching the speed of sound and the associated shock wave.
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Nice grouping with the CCI's. I shot my 10/22 (.920 barrel, target stock, trigger job, 2-7x BSA scope) with the Eley Sport at 50 yds outside and had very good groups with them. I wonder if you got a bad lot of ammo?
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Great group, Sledge. (That's around 0.6" for those metrically challenaged) Of course the charger has less barrel to vibrate and while it may loose just a little velocity, it should shoot very well.
I was totally surprised by the variance in ammo. I could understand grouping higher or lower, but the Eley disappointed me. The .22lr isn't all that accurate a round anyway, but after firing the CCI, I would have suspected the Federal stuff would have done better.
When I initially tested ammo I tried about 8 different kinds and ended up using win power points. Even with the occasional flyer the seemed to perform better than even the RWS target ammo that cost 3-4 times as much, whod a thunk it. Even with the mark three I found the variance astounding.
BTW when do we get a pic of the rifle? ;D
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Overall I think I have done best with CCI ammo. A lot of .22 firearms seem to be brand dependent or even lot number dependent for accuracy. For now, I wouldn't mess with the rifle. If you take the stock off and put it back on I wouldn't be surprised to see the groups change. The tightness (or looseness) of the stock mounting screw can have a big impact on accuracy.
I thought I read once that the Target 10-22s had a little more attention to the trigger group from the factory. Did you get an older one with the metal trigger guard assembly, or a knewer one with the plastic parts?
Lot's of tips., tricks, and techniques here and elsewehere on this site. Although the 10-22 target does not fit the definition of SuperStock the advice is still very good. These guys can almost get fanatical.
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=167
For other Ruger 10-22 stuff and anything rimfire in general it's hard to beat the stuff found somewhere here:
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php
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Thanks for the links Blackwolfe. I do check in with RFC now and then and they are a great resource for all things RF.
I am a great proponent of free floating barrels. This particular one is just seated ever so slightly in the stock. If accuracy is going to be affected by the stock then it will change with the weather. Better to find out now than say go to a match in the late fall and discover I can't hit anything.
It is a more recent vintage with plastic parts. The trigger is okay, not great. If I can shoot MOA groups with it, then I'm not going to mess with it. It is by far the best of about 6 different .22lr I've ever owned including an early model (1980s) 10/22.
I give Ruger a 2 thumbs up for the improvements in accuracy they've made to the 10/xx and the Mini-xx line recently.
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Just got around to scanning the last target.
Here's what the Ruger 10/22 will do at 100 yds. I think the flyers were more me. Even so, under 1.5" WOW.
Can't say enough good things about it.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh20/alfsauve/Targets/Target072910-03.jpg)
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Looks good. I'd be happy with that at 50 yards th way I shoot.
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i'm shocked it was that good, most 10/22s are in the 6" range at 50 yards.
rim fire ammo is kind of funny, guns even made one right after the other will shoot drasticly diffrent.
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i'm shocked it was that good, most 10/22s are in the 6" range at 50 yards.
rim fire ammo is kind of funny, guns even made one right after the other will shoot drasticly diffrent.
Your supposed to use the gun to fire the bullet not throw them freehand!
6" group you got parkinsons? ??? ;D
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Your supposed to use the gun to fire the bullet not throw them freehand!
6" group you got parkinsons? ??? ;D
Hell, I shot a 8" group with a 107 year old rifle with loose sights at 50 yards. I've never shot a 10/22 but I would expect they can out shoot my Savage 1903 pump...
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i'm shocked it was that good, most 10/22s are in the 6" range at 50 yards.
I was mucho shocked. The one I owned 20 years ago and the mini-14s as well could barely do 6" at 50yds.
But this is a new generation. Ruger is starting to realize that accuracy counts. This one has a tapered bull barrel and a reasonable trigger.
I held my breath with each shot. Thinking, this is a fluke, this is a fluke. I'll go back on Friday and try again.
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I'll back up the mini-14 not getting better than 6" at 50 yards. So will Crusader. It was his gun.
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mini 14 is one of two guns I've ever sold. could not keep it on a pie plate at 100 no matter what. I can hit clay birds at 100 np with my m1. same with my nylon 66 or my model 60 with the right ammo.
you don't aim 10/22s you point them.
I've seen a bunch of $200 model 60s right from the box out shoot $1000 10/22s
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Now I'm thinking about a side by side range test.....if I can get the time.
I have 2 Marlin Model 60's, a 10/22, a Nylon 66, and a Stevens/Savage that I can compare side by side.
For the record, to-date, I have never had a .22 rifle that could best my Nylon 66 under 75 yards from a bench.
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in auto no, but I've shot a bunch of bolt guns that could
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Now I'm thinking about a side by side range test.....if I can get the time.
I have 2 Marlin Model 60's, a 10/22, a Nylon 66, and a Stevens/Savage that I can compare side by side.
For the record, to-date, I have never had a .22 rifle that could best my Nylon 66 under 75 yards from a bench.
I should have stated that more clearly, I have never owned one that would.
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I should have stated that more clearly, I have never owned one that would.
I traded two nylons in on a Glock.I semi-regret it, but figure a man just needs one .22. I kept the Ruger as it was the first gun I bought with my own (yard mowing) money. I'd still bet on the nylon. I just like the fun factor of the twenty round mags as both will shoot minute of tree rat.
FQ13
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I traded two nylons in on a Glock.I semi-regret it, but figure a man just needs one .22. I kept the Ruger as it was the first gun I bought with my own (yard mowing) money. I'd still bet on the nylon. I just like the fun factor of the twenty round mags as both will shoot minute of tree rat.
FQ13
See, this just proves what low down rotten liberal FQ really is.
He can't shoot his Hibiscus eating Iguana's but but he is perfectly willing to discriminate against " tree rats", They deserve to die, they wear fur.
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