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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: fightingquaker13 on August 18, 2010, 05:32:14 AM
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The Florida Senate race has become a joke (big surprise). On the GOP side? Rubio, an amesty supporting Miami Cuban with shady business practices and endorsed by Rush and Coulter. Short version? A yahoo who I wouldn't trust to mow my lawn. On the Democrat side? A: Kendrick Meek, a Maxine Waters Clone who is endorsed by Bill and Pelosi. :o B: On the other? Jeff Greene. A guy who had Heidi Fleiss as a house guest for a year (and who can blame him? ;D), but who also had Mike Tyson as his best man. :o. On the side of sanity? Charlie, the rino, Crist. What the hell do I do? I am registered Dem, as we have closed primaries, and if you want to vote in my district, you register Dem (its the same reason I registered GOP in Indiana). Texas has it right with open primaries, but Fl. didn't get the clue. Here, Independents and third party voters are disenfranchised. So, vote for the Pelosi/Clinton backed tool, or the whack job? Fleiss in the guest house, I can write off as a publicity stunt. Tyson as a best man? Not so much. But, when Pelosi endorses you? No way in hell you'll get my vote. Thoughts? Suggestions? Its a tight race and write ins are not an option. It really is the lesser of two weevils. But which is the lesser?
FQ13 who wants to hear from Floridians, and others. Haz and TW are GOP because they are in districts where a GOP candidate stands a snowball's chance, but still, Meek, or Greene? Both make me want to vomit. The Sunshine State ain't so sunny when it comes to the US Senate.
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I have to disagree about open primaries. The purpose of a primary is for members of a particular political party to decide which candidate is going to represent them in the general election, right? So allowing everyone to vote in any primary, regardless of party, is, to quote Gen. McAuliffe, "Nuts." I could just as easily vote for a candidate from the opposing party because I think he/she will be easy to beat in the general election, which defeats the purpose of the primary. If you're a member of a third party, have your own primary. I've been tempted a lot since 2008 to change my voter registration to independent, but don't because I'd lose the ability (voting in a primary is not a right) to vote in primaries in PA.
And can we please stop throwing the word "disenfranchised" around every time there's something about an election we don't like or understand? It's as annoying as "at the end of the day" and "it is what it is" being repeated
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I have to disagree about open primaries. The purpose of a primary is for members of a particular political party to decide which candidate is going to represent them in the general election, right? So allowing everyone to vote in any primary, regardless of party, is, to quote Gen. McAuliffe, "Nuts." I could just as easily vote for a candidate from the opposing party because I think he/she will be easy to beat in the general election, which defeats the purpose of the primary. If you're a member of a third party, have your own primary. I've been tempted a lot since 2008 to change my voter registration to independent, but don't because I'd lose the ability (voting in a primary is not a right) to vote in primaries in PA.
And can we please stop throwing the word "disenfranchised" around every time there's something about an election we don't like or understand? It's as annoying as "at the end of the day" and "it is what it is" being repeated
Point granted BAC. Its just that if I'm true to who I am, I will have no voice. Vote Dem (primary) in my districts (as their guy will win) or stay home. The reverse was true in In.. There it was vote GOP (again, primary) or don't bother. The general elections are a joke. I am not oppressed, just annoyed.
FQ13
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Point granted BAC. Its just that if I'm true to who I am, I will have no voice. Vote Dem (primary) in my districts (as their guy will win) or stay home. The reverse was true in In.. There it was vote GOP (again, primary) or don't bother. The general elections are a joke. I am not oppressed, just annoyed.
FQ13
I feel your pain. Never said it was a perfect system. ;)
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Vote for the biggest loser to deprive the front runner of a vote
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My ole Dad used to say: "better the crook you know rather than the other crooks you don't!" I think he was talking about voting, but I'm not really sure. He too was a Democrat, but not just for convenience. But he also played poker...
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I wish the TEA Party would cut the Republican apron strings and become a real 3rd party.
It seems like half the party hacks in the state are waving Gadsden flags these days. I don't expect it's any different where you are. >:(
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My ole Dad used to say: "better the crook you know rather than the other crooks you don't!" I think he was talking about voting, but I'm not really sure. He too was a Democrat, but not just for convenience. But he also played poker...
Thus my instinct to vote for Crist in the General. He is an "Independent", kind of like Lieberman. "My own party got tired of my crap so I'm trying for the office I feel entitled to without them". Sad to say, he's maybe the best guy running. Charlie Crist, a party of one. :-\
FQ13
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Lesser of Three Weevils?
Did you lift that from the Captain's joke in Master and Commander? If so...great book, great movie.
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Did you lift that from the Captain's joke in Master and Commander? If so...great book, great movie.
Indded I did I did sir! The O'Brien series is great. Forget the movie, read the books (though on the big screen, you do feel the cold salt water ;D). They are worth every penny.
FQ13
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They ALL SUCK!!!, O.K. now that I have summed up the Florida list of candidates from ALL parties, here's my lame a$$ .02 cents.
Vote The Old Incumbent Bums Out!
Vote For All New Bums!
McCollum sucks, Scott is at least NOT a career politician, Meeks is riding mama's coat-tails, Greene is a used car salesman at best, Rubio, is at least NOT a RINO.
FQ,
Haz and TW are GOP because they are in districts where a GOP candidate stands a snowball's chance,
Not too fast, Scott Moore, our MAIG member/mayor of my town has seen fit to be a tax raising liberal (they can't help it), while cutting spending, is not in his mind on frivolous Chamber of Commerce Limo's and retreats, travel and perks is ZERO cuts. A BMW, "official Mayoral Car", with allowance.....
The Conservative candidate, Gold stands a real chance.
As far as statewide. I defer, to the BHO arrival in Miami Beach tonight, at $10,000 a plate, to endorse a woman who wouldn't know one end of a bowling pin from the other.
Reminds me of the Kalifornia small town that was paying it'is mayor more than POTUS, and the Chief of Police was making more than the Chief in Los Angeles.
I WANT NEW BUMS!!!!!...
NO INCUMBENTS!!!!
P.S. Crist needs to find what's left of his testicles, and HTFU.
P.S.S. Master & Commander is a great movie... ;D
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They ALL SUCK!!!, O.K. now that I have summed up the Florida list of candidates from ALL parties, here's my lame a$$ .02 cents.
Vote The Old Incumbent Bums Out!
Vote For All New Bums!
McCollum sucks, Scott is at least NOT a career politician, Meeks is riding mama's coat-tails, Greene is a used car salesman at best, Rubio, is at least NOT a RINO.
FQ,
Haz and TW are GOP because they are in districts where a GOP candidate stands a snowball's chance,
Not too fast, Scott Moore, our MAIG member/mayor of my town has seen fit to be a tax raising liberal (they can't help it), while cutting spending, is not in his mind on frivolous Chamber of Commerce Limo's and retreats, travel and perks is ZERO cuts. A BMW, "official Mayoral Car", with allowance.....
The Conservative candidate, Gold stands a real chance.
As far as statewide. I defer, to the BHO arrival in Miami Beach tonight, at $10,000 a plate, to endorse a woman who wouldn't know one end of a bowling pin from the other.
Reminds me of the Kalifornia small town that was paying it'is mayor more than POTUS, and the Chief of Police was making more than the Chief in Los Angeles.
I WANT NEW BUMS!!!!!...
NO INCUMBENTS!!!!
P.S. Crist needs to find what's left of his testicles, and HTFU.
P.S.S. Master & Commander is a great movie... ;D
Amazingly, I one hundred percent agree. I have never looked at a ballot filled with people I have liked less. Easy sorting mechanism? If you've held office before, out you get. Maybe the next bum will do better. :P
As far as the movie? Read the books. There are 21 of them and they are all great. The author was a lecturer at Sandhurst and for the Royal Navy. Not only do you get great stories, but a whole lot of history and technical detail. Hows your top gallant fore sail TW? ;D
FQ13
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Alexander Kent is good as well.
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I honestly wish George Lemeiux would've run. I know Crist appointed him just to keep the seat warm for him (see how that worked out) but I've been as impressed with him as I can be with any politician who's last name isn't Paul. His voting record has been near perfect on every issue since he's been there. I think the best thing is he's not a real politician. He's a career advisor, behind the scenes guy. I would rather have the guy who was the brains behind someone else's campaigns.
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I ran into one of the Party Hacks today, every second rate party tool in the Republican party is waving a Gadsden flag, saying," I'll do this", and" I'll do that", WTF haven't you been doing these things for the last 25 years ?
The TEA Party has no ties to the Dem Party, Time to cut loose the has beens like Newt Gingrich, Nice guy, smart guy, been around for 30 years, time to go.
In fact it is time for a true 3rd party, the current , The Civil rights movement, and the Cold War were the defining events of the 2 current major parties, both have out lived their purpose and are now wandering blindly, (although the Dems are throwing the Cold War we thought we won. )
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I ran into one of the Party Hacks today, every second rate party tool in the Republican party is waving a Gadsden flag, saying," I'll do this", and" I'll do that", WTF haven't you been doing these things for the last 25 years ?
The TEA Party has no ties to the Dem Party, Time to cut loose the has beens like Newt Gingrich, Nice guy, smart guy, been around for 30 years, time to go.
In fact it is time for a true 3rd party, the current , The Civil rights movement, and the Cold War were the defining events of the 2 current major parties, both have out lived their purpose and are now wandering blindly, (although the Dems are throwing the Cold War we thought we won. )
A lot of truth there. They seem to just be going through the motions. Dems want more great society style programs and I honestly don't know what the hell the GOP leadership wants except some of that change stuff. ;D Seriously, they say they'll give us a national plan in September. :o Uh, shouldn't they have been working on one for at least the last say, 2 years? It does seem time to be done with both of them.
Fq13
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A lot of truth there. They seem to just be going through the motions. Dems want more great society style programs and I honestly don't know what the hell the GOP leadership wants except some of that change stuff. ;D Seriously, they say they'll give us a national plan in September. :o Uh, shouldn't they have been working on one for at least the last say, 2 years? It does seem time to be done with both of them.
Fq13
I, too, am sick of both parties. We've gone from republican=conservative and dem=liberal, to dem=ULTRA-liberal, and republican=RINO.
I also agree with FQA (did I just say that?) if you have been there since the year after the Civil War Ended and are just now promising to do things differently, why the hell should I trust you?
I'm just fed up.
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I, too, am sick of both parties. We've gone from republican=conservative and dem=liberal, to dem=ULTRA-liberal, and republican=RINO.
I also agree with FQA (did I just say that?) if you have been there since the year after the Civil War Ended and are just now promising to do things differently, why the hell should I trust you?
I'm just fed up.
The Republicans and the Democrats have become the "Lizards" refered to in this excerpt from the Douglas Adams book, Goodbye and Thanks for All the Fish. A third party candidate would be a non-Lizard for whom the people could vote
‘On [that] world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.’
‘Odd,’ said Arthur, ‘I thought you said it was a democracy?’
‘I did,’ said Ford, ‘It is.’
‘So,’ said Arthur, hoping he wasn’t sounding ridiculously obtuse, ‘why don’t the people get rid of the lizards?’
‘It honestly doesn’t occur to them,’ said Ford. ‘They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.’
‘You mean they actually vote for the lizards?’
‘Oh yes,’ said Ford with a shrug, ‘of course.’
‘But,’ said Arthur, going for the big one again, ‘why?’
‘Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard,’ said Ford, ‘the wrong lizard might get in.’
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Vote for Rubio. Crist is a weasel, though he has been friendly to our cause; but I don't know how long that will last if he gets to Washington.
Or find a Libertarian and vote for that candidate. Stop voting for people you don't really like....