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Member Section => Tactical Rifle & Carbine => Topic started by: fightingquaker13 on November 01, 2010, 12:55:47 PM
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Basfu posted this on the best defense thread, but I thought I'd post it here. The carbine is made by a company I haven't heard of EMF Company inc. out of New York. The carbine is the JR (Just Right) model. Its basically an AR flatop style frame. The cool thing is its designed to take Glock mags, and can apperently be adjusted to take other brands. This might be the illusive .45 carbine for a rifle pistol combo. Check out the link. If anyone has heard anything I'd be curious. The only down side is that its a bit pricy, but not outrageously so.
FQ13
http://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/JR-CARBINE-c283.htm
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I can't click through the link since the proxy here clamps down on "weapons" sites, but EMF has been around quite a while. They import a lot of mid-tier / mid-priced "cowboy guns" from Italy and Brazil. Single actions, lever guns, Sharps replicas and such.
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Hi;
I checked out that web site and for $750 per carbine - I'll stay with the HiPoints !
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Hi;
I checked out that web site and for $750 per carbine - I'll stay with the HiPoints !
Yeah its high, but about the same as a lower end AR. If it were $200 cheaper I'd be saving my pennies. On the other hand, if Highpoint took Glock mags I'd already own one. :-\
FQ13
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Yes it's a little expensive, but somebody has been listening. A carbine that uses magazine from the most popular semi-auto. Very cool. I'd love to know what other mags are adaptable.
I also wonder if this might not prompt other manufacturers to get on the band wagon. Maybe the prices will come down next year.
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Finnish SUOMI K31, 9mm. 36rd mag. 16.25" barrel. With the furniture, $399.00
From J&G.
Old school. ::)
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Finnish SUOMI K31, 9mm. 36rd mag. 16.25" barrel. With the furniture, $399.00
From J&G.
Old school. ::)
Might be missing the point (or I'm not explaining it very well). The idea is to use the same magazine between handgun and carbine. Hence the interest in the JR model which uses Glock Mags. It comes from the idea of minimum equipment (size and weight) to haul in a bug-out situation. If it were an absolute minimum you could carry with you wouldn't it be useful if you had one handgun, one rifle, one caliber and one set of mags. This appears to be one of the few currently produced to fit the bill.
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Finnish SUOMI K31, 9mm. 36rd mag. 16.25" barrel. With the furniture, $399.00
From J&G.
Old school. ::)
Very cool gun TW. I would think about one if I had the green, and would buy one over a Hi-Point for the 36 round mag. At $20 a pop for the mags, you can buy 6-10 and be in business even if you never see another one. Hell, if the damn gun survived the Winter War, I'll take it! It has to be at least AK tough.
Still though, the perk of the JR carbine is the Glock interchangability. Two (or more) guns, one mag, and in .45, it will do for SD and close range hunting.
FQ13
Here's the link to J@G and the Suomi
http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/p/finnish-m31-suomi-9mm-submachine-gun-style%2C-16-25in-/products_id/3889
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Cool, two 33rounders taped together with a spacer in between = 66 rounds of fun!
JMHO
Richard
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71 rd. mag. $40. ;)
I understand the "universality" and what a great thing concept of a carbine that shoots with pistol mags, in a standard round.
That is a manufacturers issue. I, IMHO, would love to see a carbine utilize a high cap .40 or .45 caliber mag, that would work in a pistol, that would work for both platforms.
But I only see "a glimpse", from gun makers. EMF makes awesome "cowboy" pistols. I look forward to other gun makers, expanding this concept.
Glock Model 21 Carbine? Uses same mag as pistol? Expanded to 20/ 30rd mags? Sounds all good to me.
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I guess the JR carbine would be ok , I mean if you carried a Glock. Marlin camp carbines will interchange with 1911 mags in .45ACP and S&W M -669 in 9mm, Calico has a combo also in very hi cap configurations. Beretta's CX firestorm also interchanges with its pistols. So there are a few choices priced pretty good. IMO manufacturers purposely don't match up combos for sales sake.
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The JR is standard for Glock mags but can be setup for Sig, Beretta and others. I did a little more web searching on it and the $750 is a very "suggested" retail. Street price looks to be more like $550-$600. You can change the mag blocks and barrels so it's multi-mag / multi-caliber. It also takes All regular AR pistol grips and commercial sized stocks. I sent an email to EMF asking about them and within about 3 hours I got a reply from the president / owner of the company who is also their designer / engineer for this and their auto pistol that also looks pretty nice. I'm seriously thinking about picking one of these up if I can find one for under $600.
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You can extend a standard 13rd Glock 21 Mag to 30 rounds with this 17 round extnsion.
http://www.kriss-tdi.com/press/press-releases/52-g30-magex-accessory.html
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Marlin used to make the Camp Carbine in .45. Still do in 9mm(I think). There was a company converting the 9mm to take Glock mags. I would like to see Marlin come back with the .45 model that used Glock or other hicap mags (PARA, STI or whatever)
JMHO
Richard
PS Mag-Tech makes a carbine top end for many of the popular pistols. Reasonable too. A friend said he prefered his Marlin to his MT conversion. FWIW
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I think you mean Mech-Tech, Richard.
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marline did make a camp carbine that took 1911 mags in 45.
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Too bad the camp carbine didn't take double-wide Para mags. I would have bought that one.
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All of this does make you wonder why Glock doesn't make their own carbine. I mean it wouldn't be that hard and Lord knows a lot of LEO agencies would issue them for patrol. Hell, they'd be better than ARs in urban settings, and I'd sure buy one if they could keep it in the $500-$600 range. Frankly, they could sell them at the break even point to profit from mag sales and matching pistols. Maybe I'm missing something, but this seems like a big pile of money that Glock, or S@W, or Sig, or Berretta; take your pick, are passing up.
FQ13
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Right, Mech-Tech. I stand (sit) corrected.
Richard
PS: Memory's not what it used to be!
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You can extend a standard 13rd Glock 21 Mag to 30 rounds with this 17 round extnsion.
http://www.kriss-tdi.com/press/press-releases/52-g30-magex-accessory.html
But have you ever priced the Kriss extensions? You can get 27rd Glock 21 mags here for $20: http://www.botachtactical.com/vigl2127ma.html (http://www.botachtactical.com/vigl2127ma.html)
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But have you ever priced the Kriss extensions? You can get 27rd Glock 21 mags here for $20: http://www.botachtactical.com/vigl2127ma.html (http://www.botachtactical.com/vigl2127ma.html)
Almost 2 for the price of 1 with the Botach Tactical mag.
Only drawback might be losing the Ambi mag release if you are using them in a 21SF. Doesn't say if they are Gen 3 or Gen 4.
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Almost 2 for the price of 1 with the Botach Tactical mag.
Only drawback might be losing the Ambi mag release if you are using them in a 21SF. Doesn't say if they are Gen 3 or Gen 4.
True, I never worry about that since I don't have a SF. Really better than 2 for 1 because with the Kriss you still need a mag to start with there just extensions. I ran the regular Victory mags in my 19 and they worked as good as factory unlike the KCI mags. The KCI's worked fine once I replaced the springs, I'm not sure what the Korean's used for spring steel in those but it contracted down then never expanded back up.
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I guess the JR carbine would be ok , I mean if you carried a Glock.....
Exactly the point. And why I want one. ;D I NEED one in .45, I mean, since I already have mags for it..... ;D
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ohio is getting ready to do away with carring law. That sucks.
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ohio is getting ready to do away with carring law. That sucks.
I have not heard anything along those lines. What makes you think that?
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Haven't gotten an NRA alert on that....where did you hear it?
Richard
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I was at cains muzzleloading shop in wv just a mile away from where i live. They was talking about it. I have been loolking for any think that would link to it but havent yet. I think just gossip in the shop.
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the only thing i can find comes back to this Kasich guy who wants to run against Strickland. He wants to do away with it.
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Rather pricey carbine. For that price you could by an AR. Or a couple of Hi-Point carbines. Hi Point may not be popular with some but I have found them to be sure tack drivers. Wondering how the new .45 ACP Hi Point is doing?