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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: PegLeg45 on November 17, 2010, 10:09:18 PM
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Anyone watch Apocalypse PA on History last night?
They built a system to let their truck run on gas from wood gas.
http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/apocalypse-pa-2010/episode-1-season-1/apocalypse-pa/307975
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Anyone watch Apocalypse PA on History last night?
They built a system to let their truck run on gas from wood gas.
http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/apocalypse-pa-2010/episode-1-season-1/apocalypse-pa/307975
China and N. Korea still use wood burning steam trucks. you can get a lot of power out of steam, all depends on how much heat you can generate and how you harness it, turbines or piston steam engines.
deepwater
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ya, I just happened to be flipping around and found it. Pretty good show. I never really thought about black powder for a survival situation before. Makes sense if you know how to make the powder, you can always find lead to make the balls. Overall I thought it was a good show.
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ya, I just happened to be flipping around and found it. Pretty good show. I never really thought about black powder for a survival situation before. Makes sense if you know how to make the powder, you can always find lead to make the balls. Overall I thought it was a good show.
If things get that tough make sure it is a flintlock, because with percussion lock, just like cartridges, primer availability is the weak link.
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China and N. Korea still use wood burning steam trucks. you can get a lot of power out of steam, all depends on how much heat you can generate and how you harness it, turbines or piston steam engines.
deepwater
other then hydroelectric, wind and some solar, all major power plants are steam powered.
Anything nuke, rather it be on land or in a ship is steam powered. Same with coal and LNG.
Steam generally has very low HP, but has crazy torque.
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other then hydroelectric, wind and some solar, all major power plants are steam powered.
Anything nuke, rather it be on land or in a ship is steam powered. Same with coal and LNG.
Steam generally has very low HP, but has crazy torque.
look at the aircraft carriers, old and new. and many of the LNG, LPG ships run their boilers off vapors from the cargo and so operate almost free of fuel costs. good stuff, steam. amazing how much water expands when it becomes a vapor.
deepwater
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Steam exapnds ~ 1700 times its volume it was as water.
On a side note, you can not see steam. It is perfectly clear, at the very least it will burn you very badly. Its why if you ever have worked on a power plant you always carry a stick of some kind. you always use that around connection or place you think there might be a link 1st. No bs a steam leak can cut you in half.
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Steam exapnds ~ 1700 times its volume it was as water.
On a side note, you can not see steam. It is perfectly clear, at the very least it will burn you very badly. Its why if you ever have worked on a power plant you always carry a stick of some kind. you always use that around connection or place you think there might be a link 1st. No bs a steam leak can cut you in half.
part of my job as second engineer on the ship is maintenance of the boiler and steam system. though it is only a 100 PSI system it can still kill. also something to consider for getting off the grid for some folks is using a steam plant to heat and power their property using wood or gas.
deepwater
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The truck wasn't powered by steam, it was a regular gas engine that ran off of gas produced in a gasifier from the burning of wood and dried horse apples. They just piped the exhaust from the gasifier to the carb on the engine. I thought it was very cool.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas
Wood gasifiers can power either spark ignition engines, where 100% of the normal petrol can be replaced with little change to the carburation, or in a diesel engine, feeding the gas into the air inlet that is modified to have a throttle valve, if it didn't have it already. On diesel engines the diesel fuel is still needed to ignite the gas mixture, so a mechanically regulated diesel engine's "stop" linkage and probably "throttle" linkage must be modified to always give the engine a little bit of injected fuel (Often under the standard idle per-injection volume). Wood can be used to power cars with ordinary internal combustion engines if a wood gasifier is attached. This was quite popular during World War II in several European and Asian countries because the war prevented easy and cost-effective access to oil. In more recent times, wood gas has been suggested as a clean and efficient method to heat and cook in developing countries, or even to produce electricity when combined with an internal combustion engine. Compared to WWII technology, gasifiers have become less dependent on constant attention due to the use of sophisticated electronic control systems, but it remains difficult to get clean gas from them. Purification of the gas and feeding it into natural gas pipelines is one variant to link it to the existing refueling infrastructure.
(http://www.3rdrockenergy.com/gasifier-illustration.jpg)
http://www.3rdrockenergy.com/gasification.html
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if you burn wood in a low oxgyen system, you get carcoal. we all know how well that burns. Thats not shocking at all.
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The truck wasn't powered by steam, it was a regular gas engine that ran off of gas produced in a gasifier from the burning of wood and dried horse apples. They just piped the exhaust from the gasifier to the carb on the engine. I thought it was very cool.
All based on what we were taught in science class:
Wood doesn't really burn. When you heat it, it gives off gases, and it is the gas that burns. Ever since I learned that decades ago, I stare at campfires trying just once to actually see a flame come out of a log, but they just keep on dancing above.
I am going to have to keep my eyes open for that show!
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The truck wasn't powered by steam, it was a regular gas engine that ran off of gas produced in a gasifier from the burning of wood and dried horse apples. They just piped the exhaust from the gasifier to the carb on the engine. I thought it was very cool.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas
(http://www.3rdrockenergy.com/gasifier-illustration.jpg)
http://www.3rdrockenergy.com/gasification.html
this is something I have never seen, but looks interesting. I still think the steam truck is cool though. ;D
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Green-Transportation/1980-05-01/Ajax-The-Woodburning-Steam-Powered-Truck.aspx
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Yep...as long as it's an organic based material. The guy on the show was shoveling up horse crap and drying it out then throwing it in the burn barrel. once it gets burned down to the coal/ember level it gives off a combustible gas. The old man on the show was lighting it off out of a tube and making a nice flame like a rosebud torch tip.
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this is something I have never seen, but looks interesting. I still think the steam truck is cool though. ;D
Yes, I like the steam powered stuff too....did you ever see Jay Leno's steam car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g1fBt1e-tI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEJJoVQ5ZnY
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Yes, I like the steam powered stuff too....did you ever see Jay Leno's steam car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g1fBt1e-tI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEJJoVQ5ZnY
go to you tube and type in mrpete222
check out his channel, you might be there awhile...
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go to you tube and type in mrpete222
check out his channel, you might be there awhile...
You are right.......................Bookmarked it for later..... ;D ;D
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You are right.......................Bookmarked it for later..... ;D ;D
It should also be noted, if you suffer from TES ( tool envy sendrone)like me, you really, really don't want to watch his vids.