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Apocalypse PA
« on: November 17, 2010, 10:09:18 PM »
Anyone watch Apocalypse PA on History last night?
They built a system to let their truck run on gas from wood gas.

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/apocalypse-pa-2010/episode-1-season-1/apocalypse-pa/307975

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Re: Apocalypse PA
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 04:09:56 AM »
Anyone watch Apocalypse PA on History last night?
They built a system to let their truck run on gas from wood gas.

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/apocalypse-pa-2010/episode-1-season-1/apocalypse-pa/307975



China and N. Korea still use wood burning steam trucks. you can get a lot of power out of steam, all depends on how much heat you can generate and how you harness it, turbines or piston steam engines.

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Re: Apocalypse PA
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 07:27:58 AM »
ya, I just happened to be flipping around and found it. Pretty good show. I never really thought about black powder for a survival situation before. Makes sense if you know how to make the powder, you can always find lead to make the balls. Overall I thought it was a good show.
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Re: Apocalypse PA
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2010, 11:25:15 AM »
ya, I just happened to be flipping around and found it. Pretty good show. I never really thought about black powder for a survival situation before. Makes sense if you know how to make the powder, you can always find lead to make the balls. Overall I thought it was a good show.

If things get that tough make sure it is a flintlock, because with percussion lock, just like cartridges, primer availability is the weak link.

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Re: Apocalypse PA
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2010, 04:28:55 PM »
China and N. Korea still use wood burning steam trucks. you can get a lot of power out of steam, all depends on how much heat you can generate and how you harness it, turbines or piston steam engines.

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other then hydroelectric, wind and some solar,  all major power plants are steam powered.

Anything nuke, rather it be on land or in a ship is steam powered. Same with coal and LNG.

Steam generally has very low HP, but has crazy torque.
I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

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Re: Apocalypse PA
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Re: Apocalypse PA
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2010, 04:35:33 PM »

other then hydroelectric, wind and some solar,  all major power plants are steam powered.

Anything nuke, rather it be on land or in a ship is steam powered. Same with coal and LNG.

Steam generally has very low HP, but has crazy torque.

look at the aircraft carriers, old and new. and many of the LNG, LPG ships run their boilers off vapors from the cargo and so operate almost free of fuel costs. good stuff, steam. amazing how much water expands when it becomes a vapor.

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Re: Apocalypse PA
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2010, 04:39:50 PM »
Steam exapnds ~ 1700 times its volume it was as water.

On a side note, you can not see steam.  It is perfectly clear, at the very least it will burn you very badly.  Its why if you ever have worked on a power plant you always carry a stick of some kind.  you always use that around connection or place you think there might be a link 1st.   No bs a steam leak can cut you in half.

I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

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Re: Apocalypse PA
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2010, 05:22:27 PM »
Steam exapnds ~ 1700 times its volume it was as water.

On a side note, you can not see steam.  It is perfectly clear, at the very least it will burn you very badly.  Its why if you ever have worked on a power plant you always carry a stick of some kind.  you always use that around connection or place you think there might be a link 1st.   No bs a steam leak can cut you in half.



part of my job as second engineer on the ship is maintenance of the boiler and steam system. though it is only a 100 PSI system it can still kill. also something to consider for getting off the grid for some folks is using a steam plant to heat and power their property using wood or gas.

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Re: Apocalypse PA
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2010, 05:29:39 PM »
The truck wasn't powered by steam, it was a regular gas engine that ran off of gas produced in a gasifier from the burning of wood and dried horse apples. They just piped the exhaust from the gasifier to the carb on the engine. I thought it was very cool.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas

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Wood gasifiers can power either spark ignition engines, where 100% of the normal petrol can be replaced with little change to the carburation, or in a diesel engine, feeding the gas into the air inlet that is modified to have a throttle valve, if it didn't have it already. On diesel engines the diesel fuel is still needed to ignite the gas mixture, so a mechanically regulated diesel engine's "stop" linkage and probably "throttle" linkage must be modified to always give the engine a little bit of injected fuel (Often under the standard idle per-injection volume). Wood can be used to power cars with ordinary internal combustion engines if a wood gasifier is attached. This was quite popular during World War II in several European and Asian countries because the war prevented easy and cost-effective access to oil. In more recent times, wood gas has been suggested as a clean and efficient method to heat and cook in developing countries, or even to produce electricity when combined with an internal combustion engine. Compared to WWII technology, gasifiers have become less dependent on constant attention due to the use of sophisticated electronic control systems, but it remains difficult to get clean gas from them. Purification of the gas and feeding it into natural gas pipelines is one variant to link it to the existing refueling infrastructure.



http://www.3rdrockenergy.com/gasification.html

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Re: Apocalypse PA
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2010, 05:36:14 PM »
if you burn wood in a low oxgyen system, you get carcoal.  we all know how well that burns.  Thats not shocking at all.

I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

 

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