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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: rojawe on November 27, 2010, 05:59:05 PM
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Seems like they do as they damn well please and if there is a law against it they don't care. Pure
BS in my opinion
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I think it's way out of line,this smacks of nazi germany
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I believe when an attorney sees this they will want to help her! At least I hope so.
Richard
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OUR Gov't at work.... >:(
Granted she stood up to them, "I fought the law, and the law won",....But .could she not have offered some humble profanities and dump it? what the well ran dry? Breast Milk, like any other has a shelf life, if not kept refrigerated.
She chose her battle bravely, but against the TSA dumbass, undertrained, underpaid idiots, she lost by missing her flight.
It will take her and thousands like her, for them to "get it"....
Phoenix to LA? I'll bet next time she takes a train or drives.
Stupid this kind of BS happens.
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She's an idiot to fight with people who have no say over the rules.
She's not taking a stand, she's just being a bitch.
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We all know the TSA are mostly idiots who have let a little authority go to their little heads with mostly over-bearing and useless rules.
Was the TSA overstepping by not knowing or following their own rules for the milk? YES.
Was the mother mostly right in principle? YES.
Did it have to go down like it did? NO, she chose to make a stand, and while I give her much credit for sticking to her guns, like Tom mentioned, it was really useless at that particular point and only hurt her.
I mean don't get me wrong, I'm all for standing up to stupid rules, but you have to chose the battleground so that you don't end up being the only one hurt (ie, missing the flight).
I mean really, breast milk? The argument in the video was she needed to carry the milk on the flight to have it ready for the 7 month old to feed when she got home.......... I may be missing something here (and if I am please forgive me) but why couldn't she dump the milk, get on the plane, and let the kid just drink straight from the "tap" when she got home? Unless the people were going through x-ray machines off camera somewhere she shouldn't have been effected.
I'm not being snarky, just asking.
Anyway, looks like the best way to avoid delays with the TSA is to throw everything on the x-ray belt, strip off ALL your clothes and toss them on there too, walk through TOTALLY NEKKID, stop and take a dump on the TSA dude's shoe (to show you ain't packin') and wipe your ass with his pants leg (extra credit if you use his tie instead).
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.. I may be missing something here (and if I am please forgive me) but why couldn't she dump the milk, get on the plane, and let the kid just drink straight from the "tap" when she got home? Unless the people were going through x-ray machines off camera somewhere she shouldn't have been effected.
I'm not being snarky, just asking.
+1 your spot on, she bravely took a stand with a bureaucratic bunch of minions, that can't think outside of the box, follow their own rules, and basically take a fly by night(or day) approach to OUR security, and ultimately missed her flight.
A collective uprising, just like the 5 year old that used a crayon to draw a gun and gets suspended,,,,,, or the kid who had a flag on his bicycle, were dealing with idiots.
She may have chosen the wrong place to fight the TSA, but it is at least a precedent for the stupidity of our gov't...Right up there with groping a nun.... At least the girl who wore a bikini, was smiling...
Plus, most babies prefer it from the tap. ::)
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This is one of those times when it doesn't matter that you are right, TSA won and she missed her flight. How safe are we because they refused to allow her explosives...breast milk to bypass the x-ray?
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She's not taking a stand, she's just being a bitch.
Looks like the bald guy was being the bitch to me.....
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She's an idiot to fight with people who have no say over the rules.
She's not taking a stand, she's just being a bitch.
Normally I don't disagree with your assessment. This time however, I do.
For one thing, where else do you take a stand with the TSA, it's not like we deal with them day to day. Secondly, having their own list of rules right there printed out for them to read, is being prepared for someone who may or may not know. In other words, she was prepared for their ignorance. Lastly, and my main point, law enforcement are allowed a little latitude in their jobs, and are expected to use their own judgment based on the situation, I have a hard time believing that the guidelines are so ridged for these clowns that they cannot use a little common sense and real world judgment.
I suppose my real point is that if you do not take a stand at the time of the transgression then if you try to come back, it makes you look like it wasn't a problem at the time. You say that the TSA "inspectors" are not the ones to fight against, but who else do you go to?
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Normally I don't disagree with your assessment. This time however, I do.
For one thing, where else do you take a stand with the TSA, it's not like we deal with them day to day. Secondly, having their own list of rules right there printed out for them to read, is being prepared for someone who may or may not know. In other words, she was prepared for their ignorance. Lastly, and my main point, law enforcement are allowed a little latitude in their jobs, and are expected to use their own judgment based on the situation, I have a hard time believing that the guidelines are so ridged for these clowns that they cannot use a little common sense and real world judgment.
I suppose my real point is that if you do not take a stand at the time of the transgression then if you try to come back, it makes you look like it wasn't a problem at the time. You say that the TSA "inspectors" are not the ones to fight against, but who else do you go to?
Well said.
FQ13
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Normally I don't disagree with your assessment. This time however, I do.
For one thing, where else do you take a stand with the TSA, it's not like we deal with them day to day. Secondly, having their own list of rules right there printed out for them to read, is being prepared for someone who may or may not know. In other words, she was prepared for their ignorance. Lastly, and my main point, law enforcement are allowed a little latitude in their jobs, and are expected to use their own judgment based on the situation, I have a hard time believing that the guidelines are so ridged for these clowns that they cannot use a little common sense and real world judgment.
I suppose my real point is that if you do not take a stand at the time of the transgression then if you try to come back, it makes you look like it wasn't a problem at the time. You say that the TSA "inspectors" are not the ones to fight against, but who else do you go to?
The dumb shmuck you deal with doesn't make the rules, or interpret them, He just wants to get his pay check with the minimum of aggravation, just like you.
Go after management.
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The dumb shmuck you deal with doesn't make the rules, or interpret them, He just wants to get his pay check with the minimum of aggravation, just like you.
Go after management.
But in the video a supervisor was standing right there. Does he not qualify as management?
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But in the video a supervisor was standing right there. Does he not qualify as management?
Exactly.
They got pissed that she knew THEIR rules and wanted them to follow them.
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Seems to me that some TSA "officers" need to have a ordeal after work on their way home. If that was my wife I would be looking for that manager and other dykey fat mole to give them a taste of their own medicine. Thats BS
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Do you or your supervisor approve of all YOUR employers rules ? Whats the other choice ? Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
The TSA people don't give a crap about you, your rights, or anything else but feeding their kids and getting their bills paid, which don't happen on unemployment.
Argue it all you want but you are still bitching at the waitress because the COOK screwed up your food.
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Do you or your supervisor approve of all YOUR employers rules ? Whats the other choice ? Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
The TSA people don't give a crap about you, your rights, or anything else but feeding their kids and getting their bills paid, which don't happen on unemployment.
Argue it all you want but you are still bitching at the waitress because the COOK screwed up your food.
There are rules and their are codes of conduct and then there is some jumped up twat who thinks that they can bend or interpret them any way they like. That bordered on false imprisonment.
Do they feel kids up that way too?
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Yes
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Yes
Well if it was my daughter/son I would be facing 15 to life.
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Yes ;D
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you are right, Tom, IF the employees had been following the rules.
These Bozo's were not following the rules, which the lady was able to show them and all she did was insist that they DO follow the rules.
I's say she chose the correct action.
She has a ton of evidence that she informed them of and showed them copies of the rules they should be following.
Much of it is on video, excluding parts the TSA left out, which seems like a nice piece of evidence in itself, and NOW she is in a real position to see someone's Manager.
If nothing else, it will be another example of the kind of crap that needs to be stopped.
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The real problem, (that I'm sure most of you will agree with) that has made me so adamant about my position, is that the entire TSA organization is nothing more than a pathetic political sham.
Because legislators (ie Congress ) would eat a dog turd sandwich to gain a vote they are incapable of implementing real safety programs, but the voters also would not tolerate them doing nothing in the wake of the 9-11 attacks, so instead of taking effective actions, they simply put up BS window dressing figuring that the more of a PITA air travel became, the safer the public would FEEL, perception being more important than actual effect.
Armed pilots is a good example, Several members of Congress supported it despite the efforts of the usual anti gunners. So the opponents included as many road blocks to implementation as possible, including a requirement to handle the firearm during every landing and take off, as well as pushing a padlock, through the trigger guard in front of the trigger, then, when the inevitable AD occurred they could scream the predictable "See ! We told you it was a bad idea, He could have brought down the plane, EEEK, the horror".
But then in Court houses, where they are dealing with violent criminals who got bail, people going through messy divorces, and the other most violent and potentially unstable elements of society what do they have ? One or 2 Bailiffs with a metal detector, I don't recall a Court house bombing since the 60's,except Oklahoma City, and the last judge I heard of being shot got sniped from a near by office building, since both of those incidents occurred from outside the buildings a strip and cavity search at the door would not have had the slightest effect on them.
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The real problem, (that I'm sure most of you will agree with) that has made me so adamant about my position, is that the entire TSA organization is nothing more than a pathetic political sham.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
Security Theater thanks you for playing!
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I'm with Red on this one....
The bald guy is the bitch..
Makes me so F'n mad I can't see straight. >:(