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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: seeker_two on December 20, 2010, 01:59:58 PM
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Just thinking while making out my Christmas list....what is a firearm that was never made, but you wish you owned?....
My choice....a Thompson SMG in .38Super...with a 60-rd drum magazine.... 8)
Wish away!..... ;D
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A new Smith & Wesson M&P 10mm Auto.
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.357 SA with a 4inch barrel and swing out cylinder.
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A Charter Arms 5 round 45acp Target model Bulldog with 4 inch barrel in stainless steel.
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A "Low-Cost, Affordable," Barrett 50BMG. ::)
Or a .41 Magnum, Semi-Auto. :o
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Auto-Ordinance M1 Carbine in .357 magnum. 8)
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One of the first gun mags I subscribed to was "Guns and Ammo" maaaaaaany years ago! In one issue was an article about an individual that was making a .44 mag. semi auto named the "Mag Matic". It predated the Auto Mag and was smaller and seemed to me after reading about the AM would have been easier and cheaper to make. Probably would have worked out if he could have found funding and would have been easy to make in .41, 10mm or whatever. Don't know what happened to my original copy but was able to find a replacement at a GS...pull it out and re-read it every once and a while.
FWIW
Richard
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.75 caliber recoilless pistol. It was in a science fiction story.
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Kimber 1911 Desert Warrior in .40 Cal. W/ a threaded barrel and double stack mags. :'(
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Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the Dessert Eagle made in 41? Seems I remember it was on the Mk. XIX frame?
Pecos
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Yes there used to be a .41 DE. I never saw one but it was in the catalogs.
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a 1911 in 25 tok.( yeah I know its too long)
X frame in 223( does not work)
10MM lever gun
a 9x25 dillon lever gun
m1 carbine in 25 tok
i'm sure I will come up with more later
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How about a Hi Point carbine in 25 Tok or 9x18.
Only without that ridiculus looking stock.
Yes there used to be a .41 DE. I never saw one but it was in the catalogs.
It was .41 Action Express.
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AR10 style rifle chambered in 7mm-08.
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Compact Tokarev, Same grip size but with a 3 inch barrel.
TAB, Why would the .223 not work in the X frame, is the cartridge to long ?
rat, I think they DO make a 7mm 08 upper for the AR, I forget which company though.
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That collapsing Glock SBR that Magpul showed off a couple years ago.
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a 1911 in 25 tok.( yeah I know its too long)
X frame in 223( does not work)
10MM lever gun
a 9x25 dillon lever gun
m1 carbine in 25 tok
i'm sure I will come up with more later
the Tokarev is built like a 1911. just a little thinner. breaks down the same and looks a lot like it. I agree with the M1 Carbine, Haz and I have been thinking of doing something like it to his M1. haven't found any reason not to. (except for $). I really like the round and I think it would be nice to have more guns available in this round.
deepwater
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I'll take that reliable and affordable .44 mag carbine with hi-caps. That and and a Redhawk and you would be good to go. Heck I'd settle for the .45 carbine that took Glock mags. There's one out there, but its early days, here's hoping it works, and gets cheaper.
FQ13
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AR10 style rifle chambered in 7mm-08.
Remington (DPMS) R25.
Get it in 243, 7mm08 or 308.
My 308 weighs only a couple of pounds shy of a Nimitz anchor. Shoots nice though.
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Remington (DPMS) R25.
Get it in 243, 7mm08 or 308.
My 308 weighs only a couple of pounds shy of a Nimitz anchor. Shoots nice though.
A 5 lb (including optics) MBR/designated sniper rifle would be nice.
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Compact Tokarev, Same grip size but with a 3 inch barrel.
TAB, Why would the .223 not work in the X frame, is the cartridge to long ?
rat, I think they DO make a 7mm 08 upper for the AR, I forget which company though.
it would fit just fine. bottle neck cartridges in wheel guns tend to push the case back and bind up.
Smith was working on a protype for a bit, but could never get it to work.
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How about a Hi Point carbine in 25 Tok or 9x18.
Only without that ridiculus looking stock.
It was .41 Action Express.
Not this one. ;) http://www.gunsamerica.com/977002756/Guns-For-Sale/Gun-Auctions/Pistols/Desert-Eagle-IMI-Pistols/Desert-Eagle/Desert_Eagle_41_Mag_6_and_10_barrels.htm
They even had a kit you could buy with .357, .41, and .44 magnum barrels, etc. all with one frame.
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a 22 pistol that will eat any 22 ammo. Not seen one yet that will.
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rat, I think they DO make a 7mm 08 upper for the AR, I forget which company though.
The last time I checked through Remington, it wasn't an option.
I'll look again.
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Any AR-10 can be re-barreled for any of the .308 based calibers.
.243(6mm), 260Remington (6.5mm), 7mm-08, .308, .338 Fed(8mm) and .358Winchester(9mm)
All same pressure levels, same case.
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a 22 pistol that will eat any 22 ammo. Not seen one yet that will.
Buy a Ruger Single-Six...that thing will eat anything....they should have called it the Ruger Mikey....
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Buy a Ruger Single-Six...that thing will eat anything....they should have called it the Ruger Mikey....
that is not a pistol.
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that is not a pistol.
My sons MkIII had some 'teething' problems but after about 1500 rounds or so it started eating anything. We run mostly Rem or Fed from Wally World (the 'bulk' bricks).
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but will it run CB caps?
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but will it run CB caps?
CB caps??
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CB caps??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_CB
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Bb_capsmall2.jpg/200px-Bb_capsmall2.jpg)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_CB
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Bb_capsmall2.jpg/200px-Bb_capsmall2.jpg)
That little thing on the left? What's it fer?
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Haz...ritzy folk used to shoot them inside in there "Parlor", for fun, thus the name "Parlor Guns".
Richard
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They all have the same charge Haz, just different case lenghths. And Ellis, my Granddad was one of those "ritzy folks". He used to load .38s with just the primer and a couple of grains of powder and shot them at ten yards in his workshop. ;) As far as CB caps, they are kind of obsolete. You can get a spring piston .22 airgun that will give you better accuracy and more power. RWS and Gammo will get you 1,000 to 1,5000 fps for not too much cash and a whole lot less legal hassel if you shoot them in the backyard. The CB used to fill the same nitch, killing tree rats without creating a hazard or getting the cops called on you. Now, just get an air gun.
FQ13
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but will it run CB caps?
No auto will. Not enough oomph to push the bolt back. They barely have enough to get the bullet out the barrel.
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I want a .44 mag semi-auto like a Ruger, only with at least a 10-round detatchable mag. I think it would make a great police/home defense/hunting carbine.
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Thanks, guys.
TAB, why do you care about them?
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The last time I checked through Remington, it wasn't an option.
I'll look again.
There is one here:
http://www.gunsamerica.com/988289464/Guns/Rifles/Remington-Rifles-Modern/Bolt-Action-Non-Model-700/Remington_R25_7mm_08.htm
If I didn't already have a 308 I would buy one.
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No one else wants a belt fed 1100?
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No one else wants a belt fed 1100?
Only if you will shoot it, carry it and supply ammo. I'll even even throw in the free beer and pay for your gas. All you have to do is stand behind me and look menacing. ;D
FQ13
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Thanks, guys.
TAB, why do you care about them?
Simple, They are not very loud= you can kill pests and no one complains. I've heard air guns that are louder then cb caps.
there are also the super heavy sub sonics that are very nice for suppresed guns. Never seen one of those cycle. I know several guys in NV and AZ that use a surpressed 22 with the heavy subsonics for best control. All you really here is the action clicking and the impact of the bullet.
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M1a1 in 6.5grendel. ;D
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That little thing on the left? What's it fer?
These are called BB Caps or Floberts....RWS still manufactures and sells these...They are not as accurate in my guns as CB's are and they substantially louder.
I have one .22 rifle that will shoot the CB Longs as well as Long Rifles out to the 50 yard line...and as TAB states, they are quieter than most Air Rifles on the market.
Heres a Ballistic chart for the CB's that some might find interesting.
(http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo111/rat31465/CBShortSightinChart.jpg)
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I want a double rifle in 458 lott for under $1000. Damn squirrels will never see it comeing.
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I want a double rifle in 458 lott for under $1000. Damn squirrels will never see it comeing.
Yes, but the second one will be laughing at you while you roll around clutching your shoulder. ;D
FQ13
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Yes, but the second one will be laughing at you while you roll around clutching your shoulder. ;D
FQ13
I'd be worth it.
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I want a double rifle in 458 lott for under $1000. Damn squirrels will never see it comeing.
Would one in 45-70 do?
http://www.gunsamerica.com/927265054/Guns/Rifles/Double-Rifles/Remington_SPR22_Double_Rifle_in_45_70.htm
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No auto will. Not enough oomph to push the bolt back. They barely have enough to get the bullet out the barrel.
There was a Stevens automatic rifle that use to fire and function with Shorts....I doubt it would have run with CB's though. Thats where a good Marlin model 39 comes in handy. The rifle length will hold either 22 or 24 Short's.
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I'd like a Pair of Charter Arms CARR's. One in .45 ACP, one in 10MM. (If they ever get them in production.) Also, I'd like to see an M1 Carbine in .50 AE. Saw an article in Guns Magazine or Guns & Ammo years ago of a custom gunsmith who was making a prototype of one.
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Would one in 45-70 do?
http://www.gunsamerica.com/927265054/Guns/Rifles/Double-Rifles/Remington_SPR22_Double_Rifle_in_45_70.htm
Almost. I have a 45-70 in a buffalo classic. I just feel the need for a .458 lott incase a circus elephant escapes.
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I've yet to fire a 458 Lott, but I have fired .458 Win. as well as 45/70, personally I think the 375 has a much worse kick, and that is not legal to hunt Elephant with.
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I grew upon Capstick and Hemingway and would love to be shopping for an express rifle. .458 Lott, .600 NE, the various Webleys.... Still, a 4-5 figure gun, $15 a round, a $5- $10k trip and 5 figure trophy fees? I'm just not sure that anything in Africa has ever pissed me off that badly. ;D Still, after I win the Power Ball, I'll be singing a different tune. ;) I say go for it and let the tree rats be afraid, be very afraid.
FQ13
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I can think of one Kenyan that would be worth the cost, No travel , or trophy fee's either ;D
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I've yet to fire a 458 Lott, but I have fired .458 Win. as well as 45/70, personally I think the 375 has a much worse kick, and that is not legal to hunt Elephant with.
Haven't shot the .458 Lott either, but I did have the chance to fire 3-rounds of .460 Weatherby mag with 500 grain solids...they will get your attention even when fired from standing.
Wonder how the recoil of the Weatherby compares to the Lott?
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Tom you are so bad bet you made THE LIST.
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Tom you are so bad bet you made THE LIST.
You ask ME, with a signature like YOUR'S ? ::)
Bet we are BOTH on "THE LIST" ;D
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I've yet to fire a 458 Lott, but I have fired .458 Win. as well as 45/70, personally I think the 375 has a much worse kick, and that is not legal to hunt Elephant with.
Really, I didnt think the 375 was bad at all, but then I have yet to fire anything bigger.
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Haven't shot the .458 Lott either, but I did have the chance to fire 3-rounds of .460 Weatherby mag with 500 grain solids...they will get your attention even when fired from standing.
Wonder how the recoil of the Weatherby compares to the Lott?
Asked and answered...
Cartridge bullet weight velocity Rifle weight (lbs) Recoil Energy (Ft lbs)
.458 Win. Mag. 500 gr 2100fps 9.0 62.3
.458 Lott 500 gr 2300 10.0 70.4
.460 Wby. Mag. 500 gr 2600 11.25 99.6
http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm