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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Hazcat on December 24, 2010, 06:48:56 AM
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George Warren Posted: 12/22/2010
The 50-year-old pilot, who lives outside Sacramento, asked that neither he nor his airline be identified. He has worked for the airline for more than a decade and was deputized by the TSA to carry a gun in the cockpit.
He is also a helicopter test pilot in the Army Reserve and flew missions for the United Nations in Macedonia.
Three days after he posted a series of six video clips recorded with a cell phone camera at San Francisco International Airport, four federal air marshals and two sheriff's deputies arrived at his house to confiscate his federally-issued firearm. The pilot recorded that event as well and provided all the video to News10.
At the same time as the federal marshals took the pilot's gun, a deputy sheriff asked him to surrender his state-issued permit to carry a concealed weapon.
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More and video at link
http://www.news10.net/news/article.aspx?storyid=113529&provider=top&catid=188
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Due process? We do' need no stinkin' due process! >:(
And yet, when you fly through Minneapolis, you can watch all the mooslims working the tarmac with incredible access to the most sensitive parts of the airplane.
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He didn't live in sacramento county if he had a CCW... thats for damn sure.
he must live in either placer or yolo countys.
oh yeah, delays at the air port suck. thank god for free wifi.
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Big Sis is turning into a Nurse Ratchett, very quickly....
" You vill not betray us comrade, or you vill be punished ",.....I wouldn't be surprised if he's arrested. Of course, they took his firearm, but his CCW?
Well, federally issued firearm, fine, take it. But a CCW? Condemnation prior to investigation, aka guilty until proven innocent.
and it is Kalifornia.
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The point remains that TSA is a pathetic joke to make the dumbasses think the gov is doing something.
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Big Sis is turning into a Nurse Ratchett, very quickly....
" You vill not betray us comrade, or you vill be punished ",.....I wouldn't be surprised if he's arrested. Of course, they took his firearm, but his CCW?
Well, federally issued firearm, fine, take it. But a CCW? Condemnation prior to investigation, aka guilty until proven innocent.
and it is Kalifornia.
whats wrong with taking his CCW?
Look at it from the issusing LEA. Its no diffrent then when say a cop gets suspend and is asked to turn in thier CCW as well as thier duty gun.
I'm sure there is ALOT more to this. New 10 is really bad about pushing "shock storys", they always seem to forget key details... Trust me, i'm from the area.
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whats wrong with taking his CCW?
Look at it from the issusing LEA. Its no diffrent then when say a cop gets suspend and is asked to turn in thier CCW as well as thier duty gun.
I'm sure there is ALOT more to this. New 10 is really bad about pushing "shock storys", they always seem to forget key details... Trust me, i'm from the area.
How about the fact he did nothing wrong ?
If you think this is OK you deserve the nanny state you live in.
You would have made a good Soviet subject.
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tom do you know he did nothing wrong?
The artical is leaving a bunch lacking...
if the artical is correct, he did violate some laws as well as policys.
It also says his ccw would be revaluted after the federal investagation is complete.
al this is pure conjecture, as we have no idea what happen.
Its pretty much SOP, when you are a LEO( Federal Flight Deck Officer ) and you lose your gun, you lose your CCW as well.
I'd honestly be shocked if there was not a LEA that did not have have policy.
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TAB, your right, we don't have every nuance of this issue. However, the pilots videos have nothing to do with firearms, just lack or slack security at SF. This is a shake down.
This is also a "Federal" matter, with the HSA, TSA, etc,.. and we both know how "pro-gun" they are. So, Air Marshall's (Fed), and Local Sheriff's came to his house, en masse, to send a message.
I wouldn't be surprised if he comes up for an IRS audit, you can't post the failures of our illustrious gov't agencies, without repercussions, as a pilot for a National Airline.
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beleave it or not its illegal to video tape security procedures. more so if its in a "employees only" area. Posting it on youtube was a bad idea. I'd not be shocked if he lost his job over this. rather its direct termanation or indirect.
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beleave it or not its illegal to video tape security procedures. more so if its in a "employees only" area. Posting it on youtube was a bad idea. I'd not be shocked if he lost his job over this. rather its direct termanation or indirect.
While you are correct, you (and apparently the government) are forgetting the concept of "presumption of innocence". He has been CONVICTED of no crime, yet they have pulled his CCW pending the outcome of the investigation? That sounds a lot like guilty unless proven innocent to me. NOT what the Founding Fathers had in mind.
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Sounds more like retribution against a "Whistle blower".
Typical elitist reaction. Don't address your failings, destroy the person who points them out.
And of course the sheep will bleat their approval.
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While you are correct, you (and apparently the government) are forgetting the concept of "presumption of innocence". He has been CONVICTED of no crime, yet they have pulled his CCW pending the outcome of the investigation? That sounds a lot like guilty unless proven innocent to me. NOT what the Founding Fathers had in mind.
as I said its SOP just about every where. your duty gun gets yanked, you lose your ccw as well.
like it or not thats they way it goes.
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as I said its SOP just about every where. your duty gun gets yanked, you lose your ccw as well.
like it or not thats they way it goes.
Duty gun = Federal in this case
CCW = STATE permit (issued by the County Sheriff)
This case bears NO resemblance to the normal type situation you cite.
Further, I'd appreciate it if you would provide some kind of backup for your statement about the correlation between loss of duty gun and loss of CCW. I'm sick to death of shit being tossed out as fact without ANY kind of reliable information to back it up other than an opinion or assumption.
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Call up your local PD and ask them what thier policy is, its very hard to find that type of stuff on line.
in CA, you are required to hand over your permit and your gun if asked by a LEO. you don't have to tell them you have a CCW, but you do have to hand it over if they ask.
Depending on rahter it was yolo or placer county, the fact that he had a federal duty gun may have been the only reason he got the CCW.
We don't know if his ccw was surrendered, suspended or revoked.
I'm guessing its the 1st or 2nd.
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Call up your local PD and ask them what thier policy is, its very hard to find that type of stuff on line.
Sorry dude, but when you throw out shit like that the burden of proof is on YOU. I'm not doing the legwork to prove your contention.
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I've got much better things do to do then try to find something that is most likly not online. you will find most places don't make thier employment policy public.
I'd also not be shocked if it was part of the law that lets LEOs carry in all 50 states.
you can either take what I've said at face value, look it up yourself or not. its up too you.
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TAB, That attitude robs your posts of all credibility.
You have been asked to show some references to support your claim and either can't or won't.
Anything else you post on this topic, until you do, is nothing but wasted space.
You made the statement, the burden to prove it is on you.
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I am the new Emperor of The United States of America. All federal income taxes should be sent direct to me in the form of a personal check made out to me. I don't have time to be (or wont be bothered with) providing evidence. Take my word for it. It's not on the internet so you'll have to call the office of the new Emperor to verify it.
Or something like that.
Back on topic: If his CCW was conditional on his flight duties and driven by federal authority, then maybe it is justifiable since the feds confiscated his federally issued firearm. Otherwise, WTF?
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TAB, That attitude robs your posts of all credibility.
You have been asked to show some references to support your claim and either can't or won't.
Anything else you post on this topic, until you do, is nothing but wasted space.
You made the statement, the burden to prove it is on you.
Tom, you know just as well as I do that the chance of me getting a hold of some on on a sun day after xmas to ask a question like this is about as good as obama, pushing to strike down the hughes amendement.
No one posts thier discplanary policys on line.
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It's a shakedown period. The Feds, had a "chat" with the local Sheriff's, and "motivated them" to just yank his CCW for shits and giggles.
Than went to his house "en masse", to remind him that the PILOT sure did screw up....How dare you film lapses in security.
Policy or not, this is "big brother" coming down on a pilot, who publicized a "hole in the wall" that is supposed to be airport security, at ALL levels....
Bully tactics, just like a divorced New Jersey resident, a yacht Capt. in New York, and countless other examples, of gov't literally getting dictatorial, tyrannical, and to quote another member:
"USURPING BASTARDS"..... Has the pilot been charged with anything? The basis for his State issued CCW being revoked/seized is what exactly?
Why don't you find out through your state media resources TAB. What they seized his CCW for. I'm sure it's bogus.
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TW, Some people will tolerate any oppression or evil as long as it does not interfere with their own comfort.
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It's a shakedown period. The Feds, had a "chat" with the local Sheriff's, and "motivated them" to just yank his CCW for shits and giggles.
Than went to his house "en masse", to remind him that the PILOT sure did screw up....How dare you film lapses in security.
Policy or not, this is "big brother" coming down on a pilot, who publicized a "hole in the wall" that is supposed to be airport security, at ALL levels....
Bully tactics, just like a divorced New Jersey resident, a yacht Capt. in New York, and countless other examples, of gov't literally getting dictatorial, tyrannical, and to quote another member:
"USURPING BASTARDS"..... Has the pilot been charged with anything? The basis for his State issued CCW being revoked/seized is what exactly?
Why don't you find out through your state media resources TAB. What they seized his CCW for. I'm sure it's bogus.
They did not say they siezed it, it says they asked him to surrender it. There is HUGE diffrence in reguards to the law in CA. You also have to remember in CA, the county sheriff basicly makes the rules in reguard to CCW. They can basicly take it from you for any reason they choose. We still don't even know what county this guy was in.
Has anyone even seen the videos he posted on youtube?
There are honestly more questions then we have answers for.
We all know, you tease the lion at your own risk.
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Well, here you go guys, the pilot has gone public.
http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=114138&catid=2 (http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=114138&catid=2)
Any body live around Placer county, California and know the sheriff?
Despite as TAB says about not knowing the whole story, my blood pressure shoots up about 15 points every time I hear about someone's Second Amendment rights (oh, wait a minute Kalifornia is a may issue state for exercising their First Amendment rights.
Now I understand why my professors spent so little time on the 2nd, 9th and 10th Amendments when I was in law school. All rights are created equal but some rights are more less equal than others.
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OldKat,
Did ya bag yer avatar?
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Well, here you go guys, the pilot has gone public.
http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=114138&catid=2 (http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=114138&catid=2)
Any body live around Placer county, California and know the sheriff?
Yes, TAB probably knows him. Placer runs from the Tahoe area nearly all the way to Sacramento.
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OldKat,
Did ya bag yer avatar?
I'd rather bag TAB's avatar..../color]
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I'd rather bag TAB's avatar..../color]
I do believe yer wife might have something to say about that!
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I do believe yer wife might have something to say about that!
oH....she wouldn't say all that much... All I would hear is a click and part of a bang.
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oH....she wouldn't say all that much... All I would hear is a click and part of a bang.
Big Blue .357....
LOL! ;D
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At least it would make a great Blue's song for the band. ;D
FQ13
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At least it would make a great Blue's song for the band. ;D
FQ13
It already is!
8th cut on Devil Keeps Chewin'
;D
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It already is!
8th cut on Devil Keeps Chewin'
;D
" I said, 'Why'd you buy that thing babe? You know I like a 45"
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" I said, 'Why'd you buy that thing babe? You know I like a 45"
"She said I didn't buy it FOR you...just to keep you in line" ;D
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I live in placer, its also the county that issued my ccw. The sheriff is ed bonner(insert joke here) I don't personally know him, but I know of him.
He is pretty fair when issusing ccws. its not shall issue, but its not that hard to get either.
It says his CCW was suspended. which in CA means taken away for a short period of time.( like durring a investagation) Since it was suspended, they had to give cuase. that info is private. I've got a few friends that are sherriffs for placer, ill ask around.
The pilot is a media whore, he has been on the news atleast half a dozen time in the last few years. started when some one burned down his house. ( they even link to the story)
Liu decided to reveal his identity Monday because he wants to become actively involved in changing what he believes is a major flaw in airport security.
I smell money...
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Well I just got a call from a friend of mine, who works for the sheriffs department in question.
All the info he got was that it was suspended do to federal felony charges. He was unsure if it was a investagation phase or if the charges were already filed.
To qoute the the guy he spoke too at the department "he $&%*ed up really bad"