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Member Section => Handguns => Topic started by: Conagher 45 on February 09, 2011, 07:51:39 PM
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I have squirreling away a few $$ here and there and working some O.T. to purchace a 1911 this year. Iwent to my local gun shop last saturday to check on the availibilty of the Para GI expert in stainless steel. The owner of the shop told me to stay the heck away from the Para line of 1911s as they are nothing but junk. He said the extractor would not last the first 50 rounds I put through it, my extra 1911 mags would not work in them I would have to buy para mags once I had the gun runing if it could even be made to do so. I thought Para USA made a top quaility product. Could anyone here advise about any issues with the GI Expert if there is indeed and problems with it.
Thanks Conagher.
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I would say he knows not of what he speaks...Para's are great pistols and will stand behind them if you shold have a problem. Just ask Todd Jarrett ;)
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Sounds like something someone would say if they weren't a stocking Para dealer. Did he offer to show you another brand that he had in stock?
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Went looking for the 1,000 round challenge video but could not find it.
Have to agree with Majer, most "gun shop guy's" don't know their ass from an ASP.
(Extra points for any one who does remember the ASP. ;D )
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The ASP was a cut down S&W 39 in 9mm it had clear grips so you could see the number of rounds in the magazine it also had a "Gutter snipe" sighting system that was very fast if used correctly. It was designed by a former OSS agent if memory serves me correctly.
Now, what did I win?
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The ASP was a cut down S&W 39 in 9mm it had clear grips so you could see the number of rounds in the magazine it also had a "Gutter snipe" sighting system that was very fast if used correctly. It was designed by a former OSS agent if memory serves me correctly.
Now, what did I win?
My congratulations on your memory, and my condolences for being an "Old Fart". ;D
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Sounds like something someone would say if they weren't a stocking Para dealer. Did he offer to show you another brand that he had in stock?
Tried to talk me into a Springfield R.O. which was not in his shop stock either.
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I really like the Para G.I. Expert ESP in the S.S. finish. But I would take one in the Para-Cote finish if I could get it a little cheaper.
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asp are also a retractable striking weapon... lots of states have banned them.
what do I win?
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I was thinking of the ASP baton too.
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Nothing TAB, in the context of a gun discussion I was referring to the modified S&W 39 that Majer described.
http://i56.tinypic.com/b3stcl.jpg
It came out at the very beginning of the "wonder nine" era and helped goad S&W into a similar treatment of the model 59 that they originally named the model 669.
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A little out of context, but the ASP was also the name of a 1/24 scale slotcar from the late 60's and early 70's made by "Classic" I believe. Yes, I am an old fart...and I remember the ASP pistol and ASP retractable baton too.
FWIW
Richard
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I really like the Para G.I. Expert ESP in the S.S. finish. But I would take one in the Para-Cote finish if I could get it a little cheaper.
I would go with the stainless. Para does have a problem with some of its finishes. I had a LTC that had the Regal finish peel off in sheets. Otherwise it was a good gun.
Is sounds like you dealer has some personal ax to grind with Para.
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My LTC is sitting in my nightstand cocked and locked with Wilson Combat mags. It would not be there if it didn't work, every time.
Lifetime guarantee tells me they'll stand behind the guns they manufacture.
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The ASP was a cut down S&W 39 in 9mm it had clear grips so you could see the number of rounds in the magazine it also had a "Gutter snipe" sighting system that was very fast if used correctly. It was designed by a former OSS agent if memory serves me correctly.
It was also the favorite gun for James Bond in the 007 novels written by John Gardner....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gardner_(thriller_writer)#James_Bond_novels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gardner_(thriller_writer)#James_Bond_novels)
I've always wanted an ASP....and I've wondered why the Guttersnipe never became more popular.....I'd love one for my XDsc....
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I thought of the snake that Cleopatra reportedly use to commit suicide.
Talk about being an Old Timer.....
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I thought of the snake that Cleopatra reportedly use to commit suicide.
Talk about being an Old Timer.....
I was gonna say that!! (and I did know about the gun and the baton too) :-\
I guess you older farts can still be quicker on the draw than us middle-aged poots. ;) ;D
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Went looking for the 1,000 round challenge video but could not find it.
Have to agree with Majer, most "gun shop guy's" don't know their ass from an ASP.
(Extra points for any one who does remember the ASP. ;D )
I like my Para.
Here you go Tom................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7wL2QuFTLQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFF0TbhgQMY&feature=fvwrel
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To some, there are only 3 makers of 1911s: Colt, Springfield and Kimber - everything else is junk. My Para ran great and when there was a problem it got fixed right away and sent back within a week. They even replaced my magazines with ones they made just to make sure the problem went away. However, I have no experience with the GI.
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I have never heard anything bad about Paras - except for Ichiban's finish problem. Not something to worry about with a SS gun.
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I decided to do my own informal research using a Para GI, Colt Series 80 and Systema 45. The Para GI worked with every mag I had available which were Colt factory, gun show cheapos and Para 8rd. The Colt would not drop free one of the Para mags probably because of too many firm seatings with the heel of my hand. The Systema refused to accept the Para but worked with every other mag I could try. In my opinion the Para is a bargain and if I didn't already own one it would be the next gun I bought.
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I have a Para GI Expert and I love it. It works so well it is my CCW AND my Duty gun!
The finish on the black guns will wear off. No biggy but some folks on the intardweb are going crazy about it. I plan on duracoating mine sometime soonish, but it's not a big deal to me.
Mine feeds every chunk of ammo I can toss at it (Issue ammo is Ranger 230 Gr).
Great gun, buy it....
Andy
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Personally, I would only consider the Stainless, but that is because I carry IWB which in the summer raises issues of rust.
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I have been looking at 1911's myself and have my eyes on a Para Ordnance S14-45 Limited. Really like them and STI 1911's.