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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: McGyver on February 15, 2011, 10:28:55 PM
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Get ready to get PISSED OFF!
http://news.yahoo.com/video/health-15749655/24197100#video=24190363
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Pretty professional in his statements. Not saying practiced, but I 'm sure they were, but he sounds very professional and controlled.
I give him extra credit for his final comments to WalMart! If I had been asked if I had any last words for WalMart, my response would have been "Yes I do, but you aren't allowed to air them!"
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Nice way for a company to treat it's employees. ::)
I hope public opinion puts some pressure on Wally World to get their jobs back and the pay for the week suspension.
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Wal - Mart is the only US company to ever be convicted of slavery charges.
But if they had had the $4 medication plan 5 years ago it probably would have prevented the heart attack I had last summer.
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Nice way for a company to treat it's employees. ::)
I hope public opinion puts some pressure on Wally World to get their jobs back and the pay for the week suspension.
And then they can change their policy about "defending yourself" against imminent danger!
"F" the job, if I worked there, I'm gonna go home ALIVE!
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I can guarantee you're going to see their "asset loss" guys a whole let less willing to try to detain ayway one. If it goes south and you get fired? Screw that, goodbye and come again. ::)
FQ13
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Responsible citizens carry, can protect themselves and do not answer to Wal - Mart.
As for the rest ? F*ckem.
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Guys, since I left Chrysler I have worked retail security at Sear's, Kmart and currently work for a better corporation than the previous two. Needless to say I have dealt with meth heads, crackheads, pill poppers, boozers and straight up psychos. I have added to my knife collection from all the knives retrieved from the shoplifters. Some are pretty nice I might add.
The pay is shit. You deal with negativity on a daily basis. You have to abide by policy. Currently I am in a "no touch" position which means I cannot lay a hand on the shoplifter. I went from being able to carry handcuffs and being involved with foot pursuits (That were an absolute blast) to basicly using my own very unique approach and escorting them back to my office.
One thing for sure is that I am not a punching bag for no one and I will be damned if I am going to get shot or stabbed. I will do anything I can to protect those around me and my self.
Those guys and gals with Walmart got the shaft and it needs to be stopped. The greatest weapon of the fascist is the tolerance of the pacifist. (Mike Muir of Suicidal Tendencies). I refuse to be a victim, even in my workplace. But I will lose my job before I take an ass whippin...
Just my two bits.
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Responsible citizens carry, can protect themselves and do not answer to Wal - Mart.
As for the rest ? F*ckem.
Does it not make your opinion of the company drop even lower? Damn Tom, do you ALWAYS have to be so cantankerous? ;D
I thought you might just feel a LITTLE animousity towards a company that would do that to it's employees! ??? ;D
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I would pay double than to shop at Walmart to begin with. They have ruined the mom and pop shops along with bringing down wages in the communities where they prosper.
I bet if you bombed our Walmart the first week of the month that the crime rate around here would drop 50% if not more.
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I mean "bombed" like air strike. ;D
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The "Bogan" knows I'm wearing my "extreme sarcasm" hat on this one. I think he hates wallyworld more than Pelosi! ;D
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Thats why I dont shop there. F-Walmart.
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Fired for refusing to be (http://www.mossonline.com/images/products/big_sheep_ng_310.jpg)
I try not use this word often, but f**k wal-mart.......BASTARDS. >:(
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Wally world has done this before. They have a comp. policy, and stick to it; from a liability standpoint, if one of the employees would have been injured, disabled, or killed, you can bet that Wally World would have been sued 25 ways from Sunday.
The "lawyers" have to make blanket policy, as Wally World would rather lose merchandise, than pay work comp, disability, or settlements to employees.
I agree however, with defending one's life and if a chance arises to beat, tackle, disarm, a scumbag thief,...well,.... ::)
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Where I work we have similar policy, whether or not I'd get fired, well, I don't know, but we are fortunate that we have the State HQ for the Hiway Patrol less than two hundred yards away.
That been said we ALL have our own little secret plan what we would do if something were to go that south.
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If it had just been about losing merchandise and/or letting a thief get away, I come down on the WalMart side. If it went down as described in the video, it sounds like the BG was not simply trying to get away but was presenting a very real and serious danger to store employees and customers. Then these guys are heroes and WalMart is scum sucking douche bag. Not to mention that they are one of the major things that has helped derail this country.
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Does it not make your opinion of the company drop even lower? Damn Tom, do you ALWAYS have to be so cantankerous? ;D
I thought you might just feel a LITTLE animousity towards a company that would do that to it's employees! ??? ;D
After my snarky post I'll give you a serious answer.
I'm ambiguous about big box stores. On one hand, I hate that they have policies like this, it's BS that actually tends to increase the risk to their customers and is self defeating to the bean counters who put it in place since it tends to increase the losses they will suffer from theft.
Additionally, their flooding of the market with cheap Chinese products has SOME impact on the American job market.
On the other hand, every thing is governed by rules, whether it's game of cards or a job, while wrong headed this specific policy is probably intended to keep their employee's (who are generally 15 or 80, no in between ) from getting themselves stabbed, shot or beaten.
TW is exactly right when he posted "The "lawyers" have to make blanket policy, as Wally World would rather lose merchandise, than pay work comp, disability, or settlements to employees."
And the fact that they sell cheap imports only has a limited effect on US employment. For many, perhaps the majority, it is a choice of either buying Chinese imports or going with out. I can buy 3 pair of shoes at Wal Mart for the same price the local shoe store would charge for one pair, and the fact that I pay 3X as much does not mean I'm getting American made, generally speaking, America no longer manufactures shoes, (that was where Thompson Center got most of their employees,) or mass market clothing.
When I had my first heart attack in '03 I had pretty good insurance, but my medications cost about $250/ month, so I quit taking them because I could not afford to buy both prescriptions and food. When I had the second HA last summer I was put back on the same meds, buying them at Wally World costs me $25/month. There is no net loss to the economy, in fact, there is a net gain since I will not have to lose time from work, or die on the job, and my buying cheap imports doesn't hurt the economy because I would other wise have simply done with out.
Back in the early years of the 20th century Ford was the highest paying company in America. The reason was not because Henry was generous, he wasn't, in fact he was a penny pinching prick, ( He was the first to apply time studies to his work force and invented charcoal briquettes to make money off the wood scraps from car frames ) He paid that kind of money so that his workers could buy his cars, He realized that by limiting his profit per item he would more than make up for it in volume.
That is essentially what the big box chains have done.
So, while I would not want to work there, I am equally not going to boycott the local Wal - Mart.
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I fully understand that we are only hearing one side of the story. I watched the video two more times since my first post, and even if you throw out three quarters of what the former employee says I still don't see that WalMart has a reason to dismiss them based on the stated policy.
Facts that demand action both morally and by the stated standards:
1. While producing a firearm the suspect acted to exit the room into the public area within the store;
2. Rather than exiting the room he grasped and held an employee.
Two facts that required the loss prevention team to act as they did. There are many other stated facts that I left off the list, but since we are only dealing with one side of the story I stayed with two very basic stated facts. Even if you eliminate number 2 from my list, number one still put the shopping public at enough list that I don't understand how they could be expected to do anything other than subdue him.
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This seems to me just another in a long list of situations in which a common sense application of employee regulations could have prevented this whole controversy. I mean, I understand the policies and the reasons for them, but not everything can be covered under a black and white, cookie-cutter policy. Apply common sense to an individual situation. maybe something like, "Good job......DON'T EVER DO IT AGAIN!"
It really is a pity that common sense is so uncommon.
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Common sense is extremely uncommon. You CAN'T assume your employees have it. :'(
They write to the lowest common denominator. and to protect the corporation above all.
Besides, WM doesn't care about shrinkage. They have written their contracts such that the vendor eats it--thy only get paid for product SOLD.
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This seems to me just another in a long list of situations in which a common sense application of employee regulations could have prevented this whole controversy. I mean, I understand the policies and the reasons for them, but not everything can be covered under a black and white, cookie-cutter policy. Apply common sense to an individual situation. maybe something like, "Good job......DON'T EVER DO IT AGAIN!"
It really is a pity that common sense is so uncommon.
+1.....It's the same as 'zero tolerance' in schools.
I had a long, drawn-out, FQ-style comment and TT just summed it up better than I was going to... in way fewer words. ;)
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reality, the company is insured. any losses they have they will get back. At the end of the day, it costs alot less to have them take the money then it does to have a employee fight back or stop a shop lifter.
Its sucks, but that is the way it is. Nothing is going to change it.
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reality, the company is insured. any losses they have they will get back. At the end of the day, it costs alot less to have them take the money then it does to have a employee fight back or stop a shop lifter.
Its sucks, but that is the way it is. Nothing is going to change it.
Based on your reasoning there is no reason for WalMart to have a loss prevention department. This was a safety issue that they had to deal with, but if they hadn't detained the shop lifter they would not have had to deal with the danger.
So, do we do the right thing, or do we stick our heads in the sand (and another part in the air) and pray it isn't us that gets hurt in the end?
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Wal - Mart is the only US company to ever be convicted of slavery charges. But if they had had the $4 medication plan 5 years ago it probably would have prevented the heart attack I had last summer.
Where and when was Wal Mart convicted of slavery? I can't seem to find it anywhere. Please cite your source.
Did Wal Mart cause your heart attack? Wow! If so and you can prove it, go for the gold.
The security guys got a royal screwing, no doubt about it. They are also damn lucky they were not shot. Violating corporate policy is a lame excuse. There is no way that a written policy can cover every circumstance.
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Based on your reasoning there is no reason for WalMart to have a loss prevention department.
Primary purpose is to police the other employees!
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Where and when was Wal Mart convicted of slavery? I can't seem to find it anywhere. Please cite your source.
Did Wal Mart cause your heart attack? Wow! If so and you can prove it, go for the gold.
The security guys got a royal screwing, no doubt about it. They are also damn lucky they were not shot. Violating corporate policy is a lame excuse. There is no way that a written policy can cover every circumstance.
The slavery thing was several years ago and I forget the details, look up Wal Mart employee lawsuits, be prepared to spend some time as there are a lot of them.
As to Wal -Mart and my Heart read my last post I already explained it there and don't feel like doing it all over again.
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Primary purpose is to police the other employees!
But with insurance why waste money on hiring and training employees and the added insurance cost of this? That is the thinking I was referring to.
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But with insurance why waste money on hiring and training employees and the added insurance cost of this? That is the thinking I was referring to.
Because insurance will drop you if you make zero attempt to stop it yourself.
I don't know, but am willing to bet WM is self-insured on most things.
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There is no "reasoning" for this, other than a "show of force". I guess that's why I refuse to spend my money at wallyworld. Anyone that is THAT against self-defense can piss up a rope. They would have rather had those employees die from gunshots, than defend themselves and live to see the sunlight of tomorrow! What's WRONG with you people? I don't care WHO I work for, if I have a chance to disarm a gunman and live to see tomorrow, "F" the friggin' job!
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I made this comment in the thread where McGyver was busting FQ's chops for using E Bay, but I will raise the subject here as well.
Back in the '80's the lefties were all in a tizzy about Apartheid in South Africa, and were PO'd that US companies were doing business with the White Govt. They could not get much results other than news coverage with protests so what they did was to start buying stock in the companies.
This granted them access to the annual share holder meetings, where, as legal part owners, they had to be allowed to speak their peice.
It worked, The companies all quit doing business with the White Govt. and it was the beginning of the end in South Africa.
You all seem to hate Saul Alinsky, but if you do not learn and implement his tactics you are fools who are doomed to failure.
By following this course you are no longer standing outside being ignored, you are working inside their own system and they have to listen, second, regardless of their policies you make a profit on the stock, preventing it from going to our enemies, and third, if enough people do it it will actually change the direction of management.