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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: Teresa Heilevang on February 17, 2011, 05:23:47 PM
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It’s the case of child abuse shocking the country today. A man is accused of killing his adoptive daughter and severely injuring her twin brother.
In a hard-hitting interview with David Wilkins, head of Florida’s Department of Children and Families, Megyn Kelly asks how the couple was allowed to adopt the twins in the first place given that they’d already been accused of abuse. And, how did it come to pass that an investigator visited the home on Thursday to look into charges of abuse, did nothing, and by Monday this 10-year-old child was dead.
http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2011/02/17/megyn-kelly-on-horrific-abuse-case-how-were-they-allowed-to-adopt-these-children/
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Welcome to Florida. Not 5 years ago a DPS agent was convicted of not checking up on a foster kid for a year. Here, they got called to the house, but didn't interview the kids, because it was after nine on a Friday night. :o >:( Some agencies deserve more money because what they do is too important to trust to idiots. It was bad under JEB (where it was politicized), Charlie, where it was negligent and now Scott needs to step up, fund it enough to hire decent people, rewrite guidelines, and fire a whole lot of folks.
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One child dead and another severely injured......... and when asked by a judge a weekend investigative visit she replied:
"I'm not allowed to do investigations on the weekend."
WTF? >:(
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WTF? >:(
He shouldn't have to, as his ass should be fired and he won't be doing any investigations at all.
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Been driving by the crime scene for 4 days. Judge posted $1,000,000 bail. for this scumbag. They will not disclose cause of death for the little girl.
Acid burns on the boy, duct taped them at home, and his wife is also in jail.
truly sick fu**ers that deserve more than life in prison.
As to the broken county run system of foster care? Yes it's that bad. I'm sure not just in Florida either.
Very sad.
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Stuff like this just illustrates why Govt should stay the hell out of social services and social issues.
There is a REASON churches are tax exempt.
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Stuff like this just illustrates why Govt should stay the hell out of social services and social issues.
There is a REASON churches are tax exempt.
That's not an option. One, we're talking about an enforcement agency that deals with abuse claims. That's not something the private sector can do. Two, there are far more kids, particulaly, older/difficult/special needs kids than even the largest chuches can take in. Even if they could, you'd still need an enforcement agency to oversee them. These kids, by definitition have no one to look after them. Its one of the appropriate duties of the tax payers to do it until the kid turns 18 and finishes HS (don't even get me started on the state cutting off support to a kid still in school just because they turned 18). >:(
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Funny, I thought the cops were paid to handle criminal assault.
The thing that knocks the BS out of your argument is that these 2 kids would have been safer in Scrooges work house or taking lessons from Fagan and "the Artful Dodger".
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Funny, I thought the cops were paid to handle criminal assault.
Because being a cop and evaluating whether someone is a fit parent are interchangable jobs? "Officer Smith go evaluate the Jones home, see whether the family is salvageable". Suggest that to your local SO and being Tazed will be the least of your worries. You'll be used as the new chew toy for their canine unit. "Gee Deputy Watson, you mean he gets to play with the police dogs all day? How did he get that job"? "Well, little Jimmimy, Mr. Bogan said we should handle a whole lot more domestic cases, so we found a new job for him. He likes it here though. See how he gets to run and act all silly when we let two dogs out to play? That's a happy man.", ;D
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Like the f*cking social workers are doing such a marvelous job ?
They are trained investigators, since they never show up in time to actually prevent anything they should damn well investigate.
Now that I've vented my irritation at your liberal stupidity, I will reiterate, Cops are already trained in investigation, and observation, not social engineering BS. We already expect them to handle reports of violent activity, I don't know of any law that limits them to only assaults against those 18 and over, and that is what child abuse is.
They also spend most of their time dealing with scum bags, if this guy did this, I will bet he has some record for other stuff.
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He shouldn't have to, as his ass should be fired and he won't be doing any investigations at all.
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Wouldn't something like this fall under criminal negligence? Seems to me that failure to do anything about this when it appears all the signs were there would justify charging him.
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Because being a cop and evaluating whether someone is a fit parent are interchangable jobs? "Officer Smith go evaluate the Jones home, see whether the family is salvageable". Suggest that to your local SO and being Tazed will be the least of your worries. You'll be used as the new chew toy for their canine unit. "Gee Deputy Watson, you mean he gets to play with the police dogs all day? How did he get that job"? "Well, little Jimmimy, Mr. Bogan said we should handle a whole lot more domestic cases, so we found a new job for him. He likes it here though. See how he gets to run and act all silly when we let two dogs out to play? That's a happy man.", ;D
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The biggest problem with social workers is that they have no law enforcement authority. Whenever they see something they have to get the police involved anyway. So why not just cut out the middle man and set up child protective services as a division within the police department?
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Wouldn't something like this fall under criminal negligence? Seems to me that failure to do anything about this when it appears all the signs were there would justify charging him.
Soveriegn immunity. Remember, the cops can't be compelled to help you. If they run or just don't show up, the most you can do is fire them. You can't sue them either. >:(
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Soveriegn immunity. Remember, the cops can't be compelled to help you. If they run or just don't show up, the most you can do is fire them. You can't sue them either. >:(
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But we are not talking about a cop in this case, we are talking about a social worker. Do you not even remember your own posts? And what makes you think you can't sue the cops? They get sued all the time. For everything from gross negligence, and abuse to destruction of property. Most of these never make it to a courtroom because it is less expensive for the municipalities to settle out of court, or because the plaintiff is a hack and lacks the evidence to present a case.
Yes there are some limitations to suing police, but you can still sue. If you couldn't then cops could run roughshot over everyone with no repercussions.
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But we are not talking about a cop in this case, we are talking about a social worker. Do you not even remember your own posts? And what makes you think you can't sue the cops? They get sued all the time. For everything from gross negligence, and abuse to destruction of property. Most of these never make it to a courtroom because it is less expensive for the municipalities to settle out of court, or because the plaintiff is a hack and lacks the evidence to present a case.
Yes there are some limitations to suing police, but you can still sue. If you couldn't then cops could run roughshot over everyone with no repercussions.
There is no distinction between governmental workers here, cops or the DMV. You can sue if they break the law or written policy. If however, they just do a piss poor job, they (meaning the state) are covered. Essentially, brutality, corruption, failing to follow SOP is grounds for a suit, though the latter is iffy. If on the other hand, the guy just acted like a total Gomer, checked the boxes and moved on, there isn't much you can do. In the first case I mentioned where the case worker falsified reports, that's criminal negligence and fraud, lawsuits are fine. Here, where the guy showed up at the door and just took the woman's word that the kids were asleep? I hope he can be charged and sued, but odds are he, and worst of all his department, can't be. Sometimes 8 figure jury verdicts are a good thing. They tend to motivate people. Forcing FL. to pay out in this case, even though it will come out of my wallet, would be a good thing if it made the Governor clean house to prevent a reccurence. The squeky wheel gets the grease. This one should squeak very loudly indeed.
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I'm not talking about suing the police anyway. Your original post was that the guy should be fired. I agree, I take it a step further that the District Attorney should prosecute the negligent little turd.
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I'm not talking about suing the police anyway. Your original post was that the guy should be fired. I agree, I take it a step further that the District Attorney should prosecute the negligent little turd.
Well, someone does need to sue, if they can, on that little boy's behalf. He's going to need a lifetime's worth of care if what we learned about the extent of his burns are accurate, and that's saying nothing about therapy for seeing his twin murdered. That isn't something that goes away,
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