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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: oldkat69 on February 28, 2011, 10:49:45 AM
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(They say you can't fix stupid but this is not what we need;
Accidental Stupid Discharge at ILLINOIS Gun Show .
Well it took at least three people to pull this off. We just do not ever need this kind of crap!
Maybe "they" should not have firearms in Illinois.
[b]Two injured in accidental shooting at Bloomington gun show[/b]
http://www.pantagraph.com/news/local/article_ccf5806e-41df-11e0-a8c6-001cc4c03286.html
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Ok, let's address the obvious questions: 1) What kind of an asshat doesn't make sure the guns he's displaying at a gun show are unloaded? 2) What kind of an asshat picks up a gun from a table at a gun show and doesn't verify that's it's unloaded.
I believe Ron White said it best.......................
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It is perturbing that they insist on calling something that is nothing but negligence an "accident." :(
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It is perturbing that they insist on calling something that is nothing but negligence an "accident." :(
No doubt!! At least be accurate. Call it a clusterf**k.......or a brainfart.......ANYTHING but an accident. Unless these people ACCIDENTALLY had their heads stuck so far up their ass that they could see their own tonsils.
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When you are at a range there is a place to call it "accidental," but any other time it is negligent!
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Even at the NRA show, where "rumor" had it that ALL the firing pins were removed; EVERY firearm I lovingly fondled was checked and verified clear. It's just habit.....
All the shows here in S. Flordi"duh", are tie wrapped actions open.
Serious buyers can request the tie wrap be cut, and I STILL check and verify "clear".
I hate reading stories like this, it gives the anti's "ammo" and leads to tougher reg's.
It is NEGLIGENCE, NOT an accident.
The seller didn't have such habits, and the buyer didn't re-verify, and whose booger hook was near the bang switch?
Damn lucky for those shot, that their still alive.. >:(
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When I take a gun out of a case I check it. When I'm in the process of putting back in the case I check it and then make, if it has a hammer that it is dropped.
The shop policy is that the employees have to check all guns if they come in to be sold, traded or come in for repair. A week ago or so, one of our regular customers came in to buy have night sights and have them put on a new gun. I started to open the case and he tells me that the gun is unloaded. I still make sure the mag is dropped and I rack the slide. To his surprise a cartridge pops out of the gun. My heart skips a beat and BP goes up and I say, "That is why I check a gun EVERY time because A GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED."
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A GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED."
Amen, brother!!
BTW, your store in Circle Pines has a VERY nice range. We shot there for qualification when I took my NRA Pistol Instructor Course.
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Maybe we should start saying "That gun is loaded" every time we hand a gun to someone, or present it to them on a counter, even if the action is open.
When they question why we said it when the gun appeared empty, we can answer "The gun is ALWAYS loaded until you check it yourself".
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"The gun is ALWAYS loaded until you check it yourself".
So true Solus. It appears, the gun "handling" rules we, and previous generations grew up with obeying as LAW, has slipped into a level of complacency.
A co-worker, and I were admiring his recent purchase at his home, he removed it from the case, racked the slide, pointed at the floor and dry fired it, than handed it to me. ???
Since when has "pointing at the floor" and pulling a trigger become clear and verify?
. Simply open the action/cylinder, and hand it butt first, where a responsible handler will clear and verify AGAIN.
I told him that for showing or handing a firearm to someone, one should NEVER "test" what should be a visible inspection and keep your damn booger hook off the damn bang switch.
BTW, he still calls them "clips".....Believe me, I am trying to correct what are bad habits.
Amazing how this crap can be avoided, if we just remember what our parents and grandparents taught us.
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This weekend, my future SIL was admiring a recent purchase. A NIB Ruger SR9c for 200 bucks....
Anyway, he started off well, removing the mag from a handgun that I knew was unloaded and handed it to me butt first. Instinctively, I rechecked the chamber and even stuck my pinky in there to ensure it was unloaded. I played with it for a short while and gave it back, butt first, slide locked back for inspection.
After that, he repeatedly, haphazardly, swept the muzzle in my direction while he was inspecting the weapon. I need to have another talk with him. Regardless of the condition of any firearm, avoiding sweeping the muzzle is a dangerous direction is good practice. I NEVER sweep the muzzle at anyone, EVER!
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My mom got it in her head that she wanted a pistol back before Thanksgiving. While I was home for Thanksgiving my brother and I took her shooting, and she got to wanting one even more. Well, we decided to get her a S&W Model 60-9 for Christmas. Before we even brought ammo for it into the house, I made her practice safe handling with it and check to see if it was loaded everytime she got it out or someone handed it back to her. She got a little frustrated with me because there was no way that it was loaded (no ammo around), but she understood that "it's always loaded" and checked it everytime. I was a little worried about getting her one (don't trust her at all with a knife), but she did well. She actually shot it really well.
Accidents happen, but there is no excuse for what happened at that gun show. Way too many people don't check firearms before "playing" with them these days.
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There is never a time to become complacent to proper handling of firearms.
"They are all loaded until you prove otherwise." EJ Bevins 1919-1989
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Amen, brother!!
BTW, your store in Circle Pines has a VERY nice range. We shot there for qualification when I took my NRA Pistol Instructor Course.
I work at the other store. Our range is only 25 yards and is much older. The North range is much nicer.
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I have never been at a gun show in Il. that you didn't have to zip tie all guns with the action open. I have been to shows at this place and it has always been that way when I have been there. Somebody f**ked up!
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In Houston in the 1980s there was at least one sick individual that cruised the gun shows and would put one live round in displayed handguns. No one was ever seriously hurt and it was never reported if anyone was ever caught.
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It appears, the gun "handling" rules we, and previous generations grew up with obeying as LAW, has slipped into a level of complacency.
Amazing how this crap can be avoided, if we just remember what our parents and grandparents taught us.
Very true for gun handling and so many other aspects in life.
We would not be in the mess we are in now as a country if some simple rules and some damn common sense weren't so uncommon.
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In Houston in the 1980s there was at least one sick individual that cruised the gun shows and would put one live round in displayed handguns. No one was ever seriously hurt and it was never reported if anyone was ever caught.
I wondered if this had happened to this guy, but since the gun discharged when he was putting it back down, he is to blame for not checking it as soon as he picked it up.
Unless, perhaps, HE is the guy putting live rounds in the chamber and he screwed up putting it down....
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A while back at least one Henry .22 rifle came from the factory with a round in the chamber.
Apparently it (or they ) had been test fired and not properly cleared.
Like others have posted, ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED.
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I had an uncle pass away a few years ago. My parents inherited his (large) gun collection. Being equipped to do the work they brought them all to me first, so that I could clean all of them and make a few repairs. (new recoil pads, slings, simple stuff) As I was unpacking the 63 rifles, shotguns, and pistols, I was of course checking them. EVERY ONE NOT ONLY HAD A ROUND IN THE CHAMBER, BUT WAS FULLY LOADED!!!!!
I can't remember how much ammo I unloaded that day, but it was a lot. I have noticed this trend with many of my elders. Their attitude is that "if it isn't loaded, it doesn't do you any good" Makes me think that this is why we are always told that every gun is loaded.
Then again, these are people that knew how to handle guns. They grew up with them as being a necessary tool of life. Still, it surprises me that there weren't more A.D.
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When a friend of mine passed away I made on offer and bought his handguns. Every one was fully loaded and every spare magazine and speed loader was full. The widow said he got them from his father that way and thats how they stayed until I unloaded them.
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We have a small safe with handguns. Any piece that is within reach when you open the door stays loaded. If something is going down we don't want to open the safe and have to try to figure out what's loaded and what's not.