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Title: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: Badgersmilk on March 29, 2011, 10:06:20 AM: Just curious. How many people believe Obama was "elected" our President?

Do you think the electoral process as we believe it exists is the reason Obama is our President today? You go to the poll, place your vote along with everyone else, and the person with the most citizens votes is elected our President. Is that how he got in office?

Was the election just an elaborate show to pacify the citizens when businessmen behind the scenes had actually bought and paid for their figurehead long before inauguration day?

Whatever the theory. And your opinion of the president aside. Could your vote really have effected who was elected?
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: Buzzcut on March 29, 2011, 10:19:59 AM: Yes I do. This was seen in the 2010 Midterm elections.
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 29, 2011, 11:23:33 AM: The process has degenerated into a media dominated Beauty contest where the one who spends the most wins.
Obama spent more money buying the White House than any 3 candidates in history.
The reason Buzzcut is wrong is because statistics show that traditionally Democratic groups such as the young and minorities ignore mid term elections and only turn out for Presidential elections. Secondly, statistics show that the opposition party always does better in midterms. The 2010 results were a foregone conclusion, the only question was scale.
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: pioneer on March 29, 2011, 01:14:45 PM: There is little doubt that corruption exists in our electoral system. There is no nation wide standard of ballots, or ballot counting, with each state having jurisdiction over the process. Furthermore, with the politically correct laws enacted in the past few years to make it easier for the so-called "disenfranchised" to vote, fraud can run rampant.

Where I live, in Oregon, we have "vote by mail." In many locations there is no ID or proof of residency required, so there is much fraud that takes place here. For those who do not have faith in the mail, or for the "last minute" voters, each county sets up "ballot drop off" sites. The largest county, Multnomah (Portland), can always be counted on to make a last minute surge for the Democrat candidates. For some reason, theirs is always the last county to release their vote totals.

There is ample anecdotal evidence of literally bus loads of homeless, SEIU / ACORN folks, students and illegal aliens moving from ballot drop off site to ballot drop off site within the county. Somehow, Republicans never seem to be able to win in the Portland and Eugene (largest population regions) areas. Granted, Portland is well known as a bastion of liberal activism with socialist elected officials calling the shots. I know there are a few Conservatives living there, but they don't seem to count for much. They are the truly disenfranchised voters. The only Republican, or conservative candidates who manage to win, are in the local races in rural and other out-lying areas. By law, the state Attorney General can not investigate fraud on their own. In what is known as a complaint driven system, they can only investigate after the election and only on specific complaints. Of course, the complaints are always found to be not valid.

The state legislature is now in the process of considering vote by phone, and vote by Internet laws. I'm certain such a system would be even more corrupt than our present one.

I got this at Portland city hall. They are very proud of their reputation.
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Title: Re: Re: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: alfsauve on March 29, 2011, 01:17:58 PM: Quote from: Badgersmilk on March 29, 2011, 10:06:20 AM
You go to the poll, place your vote along with everyone else, and the person with the most citizens votes is elected our President.

Not discounting your basic premise but the most votes doesn't always win on our system
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Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: mortdooley on April 01, 2011, 10:40:52 AM: I believe the system will be destroyed by the people who take more then they contribute. Between the welfare crowd, Unions and all level of Government employees with BS jobs voting for more benefits how can our system survive? We don't need fake results or pretend elections.
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: CJS3 on April 02, 2011, 01:13:30 PM: The system does work, but safegaurds must be in place. In Texas, our legislature just sent a voter ID bill to the guv for signiture. It requires a state issued picture ID (state issued IDs are free) to vote. Many states are looking at or enacting "Proof of Citizenship" laws for candidates to run in primaries. If you're down on the "system", what are you going to replace it with? Democracy means you become a slave to whatever area has the most voters. No mater what you think, our system is better than anywhere else in the world.

Quote from: alfsauve on March 29, 2011, 01:17:58 PM
Not discounting your basic premise but the most votes doesn't always win on our system
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The electorial College ONLY picks the President. He's not a king, there are a lot of reps and senators that can stop him. And the most votes pick them.
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: mortdooley on April 02, 2011, 08:57:16 PM: Election results may be very different when the Unregistered Democrats (illegal aliens) are denied the vote.
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: Timothy on April 02, 2011, 09:11:55 PM: If we don't like the Electoral College then convince your congresscritters to change it! It only takes 38 states.....

We can't have it both ways. Remember if Gore had only won his home state, Florida wouldn't have mattered and the entire world would have been different.

As to ID cards, this past midterm, I was required to show an ID in order to cast my ballot. That was a first for me at least from what I remember. I'd voted in this town for George HW Bush in 92 but I don't recall showing ID.
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: fightingquaker13 on April 02, 2011, 09:32:23 PM: Dittoes to Timothy.
Look, it is a beauty contest, but the system works. By any objective standard, Gore should have won in a landslide. His admin brought us peace and prosperity, but people were upset about Monica (the world's most dangerous woman as she brought down two Speakers of the House, a President and a sitting VP. Hell, we could have saved a lot llot of money on nukes and invested in chubby jewish girls from So. Cal. and won the Cold War quicker ;D). Likewise McCain was beaten by a rookie despite, or because, of having the incumbent party AND a prior administration working for him. The system works. Its the voters I worry about. :-X
FQ13
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 02, 2011, 10:59:16 PM: Quote from: fightingquaker13 on April 02, 2011, 09:32:23 PM
Dittoes to Timothy.
Look, it is a beauty contest, but the system works. By any objective standard, Gore should have won in a landslide. His admin brought us peace and prosperity, but people were upset about Monica (the world's most dangerous woman as she brought down two Speakers of the House, a President and a sitting VP. Hell, we could have saved a lot llot of money on nukes and invested in chubby jewish girls from So. Cal. and won the Cold War quicker ;D). Likewise McCain was beaten by a rookie despite, or because, of having the incumbent party AND a prior administration working for him. The system works. Its the voters I worry about. :-X
FQ13

So you liked the guy who voted to give our social security money to illegal aliens ?
Enough to forget about all that peace in Bosnia, Kosovo, and Somalia ?
Did I forget to mention the semi monthly missile strikes in Iraq, a couple into Afghanistan and blowing up an aspirin factory in Sudan.
and refusing to deal with OBL despite at least 6 specific opportunities after he was responsible for the deaths on the USS Cole, and the East African embassy bombings ?
And then there was the "Prosperity", implementing the racially biased lending practice that lead directly to the housing market collapse.
"It's racist to verify income when approving a loan".
FQ, you really are an effing idiot. You should not be allowed out with out a keeper .
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: fightingquaker13 on April 02, 2011, 11:21:23 PM: Now that you have passed the hairball, who said anything about liked? ;D I'm just reading the numbers. Its retrospective voting 101. Are you better off now than you were four years ago? Its how most folks vote, party has nothing to do with it.
FQ13
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 02, 2011, 11:32:08 PM: You said "peace and prosperity" I said BS.
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: Timothy on April 03, 2011, 07:28:47 AM: 2000 election.

George W Bush votes 50,456,002

Al Gore votes 50,999,897

I wouldn't call that a landslide FQ. Clinton was a lying, philandering, two faced, poll seeking asshole who did more harm to this country than any prior admin and Al Gore did nothing to stop him or his cow of a wife Hillary. A man who could not convince the people of his own state he was worth voting for isn't someone to praise.

You were a kid in 1992 so I'll give you one stupid decision due to your ignorance of life. I, and others, were grown men trying to make a living in a country that was quickly being sold off in huge chunks by Clinton and Gore and their social bullshit and NAFTA. Take a drive through the midwest someday Jay, see what prosperity is still left after the Clinton Admin.

It will make you cry! If it doesn't, than there is something seriously wrong with you...
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: crusader rabbit on April 03, 2011, 09:52:57 AM: Quote from: tombogan03884 on April 02, 2011, 10:59:16 PM
FQ, you really are an effing idiot. You should not be allowed out with out a keeper .

Tom, you're going to have to stop waffling and equivocating and start telling us what you really think. Don't be so reticent, dude!
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: fightingquaker13 on April 03, 2011, 10:29:15 AM: Quote from: Timothy on April 03, 2011, 07:28:47 AM
2000 election.

George W Bush votes 50,456,002

Al Gore votes 50,999,897

I wouldn't call that a landslide FQ. Clinton was a lying, philandering, two faced, poll seeking asshole who did more harm to this country than any prior admin and Al Gore did nothing to stop him or his cow of a wife Hillary. A man who could not convince the people of his own state he was worth voting for isn't someone to praise.

You were a kid in 1992 so I'll give you one stupid decision due to your ignorance of life. I, and others, were grown men trying to make a living in a country that was quickly being sold off in huge chunks by Clinton and Gore and their social bullshit and NAFTA. Take a drive through the midwest someday Jay, see what prosperity is still left after the Clinton Admin.

It will make you cry! If it doesn't, than there is something seriously wrong with you...

Let me try this again. I didn't vote for Gore. I am merely saying that based on conventional wisdom in politics, the smart money would have been on him. Mine was not a political post, just an observation about how folks historically have tended to vote.
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 03, 2011, 11:25:50 AM: Quote from: crusader rabbit on April 03, 2011, 09:52:57 AM
Tom, you're going to have to stop waffling and equivocating and start telling us what you really think. Don't be so reticent, dude!

Yes, my reticence some times leaves people unsure of my opinion :-\

But you know how I just hate to stir controversy. ::)
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: Timothy on April 03, 2011, 03:34:44 PM: Quote from: fightingquaker13 on April 03, 2011, 10:29:15 AM
Let me try this again. I didn't vote for Gore. I am merely saying that based on conventional wisdom in politics, the smart money would have been on him. Mine was not a political post, just an observation about how folks historically have tended to vote.

I (we) know you didn't vote for Al. You've stated how much you liked GHWB in the past. Wisdom in politics? Smart Money? Look up oxymoron in the dictionary..

You said "peace and prosperity"! OK, no "actual" war existed but the prosperity was cloak and daggers and shady internet companies that produced nothing but nothing and destroyed peoples lives.

To have any respect for Al Gore is stupid..
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: fightingquaker13 on April 03, 2011, 04:12:40 PM: Quote from: Timothy on April 03, 2011, 03:34:44 PM
I (we) know you didn't vote for Al. You've stated how much you liked GHWB in the past. Wisdom in politics? Smart Money? Look up oxymoron in the dictionary..

You said "peace and prosperity"! OK, no "actual" war existed but the prosperity was cloak and daggers and shady internet companies that produced nothing but nothing and destroyed peoples lives.

To have any respect for Al Gore is stupid..

Which is why I voted Libertarian. However, historically speaking, poli sci tells us that generally Reagan had it right. People go into the voting booth and ask themselves "Am I better off now than I was at the last election"? If the answer is yes, the incumbent party tends to win. If not, they lose. Its a large part of why McCain lost and BO will only win in 2012 if the GOP commits suicide.
FQ13
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: twyacht on April 03, 2011, 06:07:38 PM: Drudge had the recent story of over 5,000 illegal immigrant votes in the last election. I'm sure it's an understated amount.

The Left fights tooth and nail to NOT have to show ID at your voting location.....

Nuff said....Except for the delaying of the absentee ballots to the military (by the State of Ill.), or ACORN, or the brown-nosing to illegals,....(by the Left),.....the Right is just wussified by illegals.

Or Vote here, Vote Often,... or,....or,.....

Yeah,....seems ligit to me,...
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: Pathfinder on April 03, 2011, 06:44:35 PM: One of the more troubling trends is that a number of states have changed how they allocate their electoral votes. After 2000, Hitlery was particularly shrill about abolishing the Electoral College. That went nowhere, so now they are changing the states individually. Basically the deal is this. Instead of the votes being split, say in Illinois where there are a large number to go around, the entire pot goes to the winner of the popular vote.

So, if there are 50 EC votes in a state, instead of the 50 being split 35, 10 and 5 among 3 candidates, the popular vote winner in that state, or in the nation, gets all 50. More vote tampering from the party of the only impeached POTUS, as all of these changes are being driven by uber-liberal progressive types.
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 03, 2011, 07:39:49 PM: Next step will be different colored ballots
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: twyacht on April 03, 2011, 08:13:43 PM: There is always the last resort:

"Vote from the rooftops"....

(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n270/Bubblehead_2006/Blog%20Photos/vote-from-rooftops.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 03, 2011, 09:04:21 PM: The American people don't have guts enough to vote from the rooftops.
They might lose their 401K or miss "Dancing with the stars".
They are f*cking sheep who deserve what they are getting.
The ass holes who are bitching the loudest are to blame, they are the ones who let it get to this point.
The cowards who condemn Ted Nugent for being to "inflamatory".
"Oh, I never watch the news, it's all BS". If you've ever said that then you are an ignorant POS and deserve to be a slave.
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: twyacht on April 03, 2011, 09:32:44 PM: Never forget Tom,....there will always be,...

the 3%

The Doctrine of the Three Percent.
The Three Percent are the folks the Founders counted on to save the Republic when everyone else abandoned it.

And we will.

There will be no more free Wacos and no more free Katrinas.

For we are the Three Percent.

We will not disarm.

You cannot convince us.

You cannot intimidate us.

You can try to kill us, if you think you can.

But remember, we’ll shoot back .

We are not going away.

We are not backing up another inch.

And there are THREE MILLION OF US.

Your move, Mr. Wannabe Tyrant.

Your move.
*****

If it gets to that point, well......there is the 3%....
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 03, 2011, 10:51:30 PM: I'm looking for them.
Should be about 9 million.
I know about 6 people I would count on.
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: Badgersmilk on April 04, 2011, 06:44:04 PM: Unfortunately, the only people who seem to be awake and aware to what waits for us in the future seem to be people I "know" online... EVERYONE I know will sit around the living room and talk politics. The same mindless crap they were fed that day by the media ("Good thing they say our economy is getting better now! It's been ruff."). If you ask these same people where they see themselves and our country in 5 years you'll see them glaze over mindlessly as they've clearly never considered it before. Then say something mind bogglingly STUPID like. "We'll, I should have a new car by then!" Or, "Probably not much different than where I am today.".

It makes me sick and sad for them, our country, and the rest of the world. :(

Jesus help us all! Kill the dumb ones early! ;)
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: mortdooley on April 05, 2011, 08:47:05 AM: If the President were elected by just the popular vote we could all live in a California system. The high density population centers would be the only votes that mattered.
Title: Re: Do you believe the American electoral process still functions?
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 05, 2011, 10:58:29 AM: Quote from: mortdooley on April 05, 2011, 08:47:05 AM
If the President were elected by just the popular vote we could all live in a California system. The high density population centers would be the only votes that mattered.

That's exactly what got Obummer elected.
That and massive vote fraud.