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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: BAC on May 01, 2011, 09:47:40 PM
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Geraldo is reporting it now. Ears is about to come on TV.
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Bho will take all the credit!!!!!!! :(
But I'm glad he gone ;D
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Bho will take all the credit!!!!!!! :(
But I'm glad he gone ;D
Of course he's going to take all the credit!
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:D Bless the United States Armed Forces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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:D Bless the United States Armed Forces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Abso-friggin'-lutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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YEA!!!! Thank you Soldiers!
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The U.S. Military did an outstanding job riding us of that tall bag of scum. Once again outstanding and well done U.S Military
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I hope the son of a bitch rots in hell. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS.
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About time. Is it wrong of me to hope it was painful for him?
Can't wait for Obummer to come on tv and apologize to the world about it. ::)
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bury his ass in a pile or rancid bacon
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Too bad he wasn't captured alive.
I"m sure there is a long list of folks that would have loved to make his last days EXACTLY what he deserved. Thinking maybe a dungeon in Haifa....
Dead is OK too!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Reports are that Bin Laden was shot in the head... I suppose it's asking too much to hope that a 1911 was used.
USA!!!
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Too bad he wasn't captured alive.
I"m sure there is a long list of folks that would have loved to make his last days EXACTLY what he deserved. Thinking maybe a dungeon in Haifa....
Dead is OK too!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Thank God he wasn't. If we had tried to put him on trial every muslim withe anger issues would be taking hostages and demanding his release. Dead is good. Very, very good. A truly nice bit of news on a Sunday! ;D
FQ13
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Too bad he wasn't captured alive.
I"m sure there is a long list of folks that would have loved to make his last days EXACTLY what he deserved. Thinking maybe a dungeon in Haifa....
Dead is OK too!!!! ;D ;D ;
That is the dumbest thing I've read since FQ's last post.
You are saying you wish he could have been protected by the treasonous Justice Dept. that refuses to prosecute Black panthers for voter intimidation, aided in smuggling guns to Mexico's drug cartels continues to delay the murder trial of the Ft. Hood shooter, and refuses to admit that it was an act of Terrorism. Which word they refuse to use while they attempted to extend the rights of US citizens to the ragheads who helped plan 9-11.
f..k the DOJ, Justice has been served.
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Reports are that Bin Laden was shot in the head... I suppose it's asking too much to hope that a 1911 was used.
USA!!!
Wilson Combat had a comment wondering if one theirs was used, since it was some secret squirls they were saying there was a chance
GLAD WE GOT HIM!!
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That is the dumbest thing I've read since FQ's last post.
You are saying you wish he could have been protected by the treasonous Justice Dept. that refuses to prosecute Black panthers for voter intimidation, aided in smuggling guns to Mexico's drug cartels continues to delay the murder trial of the Ft. Hood shooter, and refuses to admit that it was an act of Terrorism. Which word they refuse to use while they attempted to extend the rights of US citizens to the ragheads who helped plan 9-11.
f..k the DOJ, Justice has been served.
Thank God he wasn't. If we had tried to put him on trial every muslim withe anger issues would be taking hostages and demanding his release. Dead is good. Very, very good. A truly nice bit of news on a Sunday! ;D
FQ13
No Tom, that is EXACTLY OPPOSITE of what I said. Did you even read the post past the first line?
A big DUH!! to both of you since you think the same!! Think outside the box for once.
Have you never heard of Extraordinary Rendition?
I'll save you guys from looking it up:
Extraordinary rendition and irregular rendition describe the abduction and extrajudicial transfer of a person from one nation to another.
"Torture by proxy" is used by some critics to describe situations in which the United States has transferred suspected terrorists to countries known to practice torture.
Where have you two been?
Do you really think the Israelis would read him his frigging' rights?? ::) ::)
Hence the term, "Thinking maybe a dungeon in Haifa..."
on edit - - I wish he was taken alive so he could endure being chopped into 350 little pieces, starting with his toes and working up!
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I get what you are saying. But I'll still go with Steven King on this one. "Sometimes, dead is better". ;D
FQ13
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How come no pictures, and why did they bury him at sea??
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How come no pictures, and why did they bury him at sea??
They have pictures, but being all sensitive to the mooslims, won't release them for public viewing. Supposedly they took DNA, and equally supposedly they dumped him in the ocean to comply with mooslim burial rights that he be buried within 24 hours. All supposedly.
BOHICA - wait for the US gummint to suspend more rights, ya know, to protect us since the peace-loving mooslims will retaliate against soft US targets and we must protect ourselves.
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God Bless Our Troops! Glad we got some good intellligence for once.
Really happy to hear that none of our troops were hurt in the operation. Pretty sad that Pakistan could not turn him over themselves.
Keep your eyes peeled. The loose ends have not been tied up and I would expect some serious, unorganized attacks against Americans for quite some time.
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How come no pictures, and why did they bury him at sea??
Because burying him in a mound of dead pigs would have been tacky? Appropriate, but tacky. ;D
FQ13
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Buried at sea, what a cop out. Sorry but its true and screw the bloody muslim world about seeing his dead corpse they saw enough of ours when 911 occurred and when they blew the shit out of us in Bali.
They should have had a taxidermist mount the f....r and put him on a stand in the whitehouse or better still the united nations.
Glad the POS is cactus.
That said it wont change a damn thing, the only thing is now the nanny state govts will use this event to tighten more laws, give police etc more powers all under the guise of increased security threats and the sheeple will eat it up accepting that its making them safer.
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Really happy the POS is rotting in Hell, but it would have been a nice send-off if he was gut shot and writhing in pain for 48 hours before leaving.
Reports are that they dropped him off a ship into the deep briney to avoid the mohammadanists making a shrine out of his burial site.
I would like to encourage all faithful mooslims to make a pilgrimage to his burial site. I would happily contribute to chartering a boat that could drop them off.
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I would like to encourage all faithful mooslims to make a pilgrimage to his burial site. I would happily contribute to chartering a boat that could drop them off.
No need to spend your hard earned mate, we have these things called asylum seekers constantly arriving here in their rat infested leaky POS things they call boats I am sure that if the US asked we would be glad to donate them to the cause, of course they probably not seaworthy enough to reach the site and definately not make it back but I dont really see that as a problem do you? ;D
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Saddam Hussein ✓ Osama Bin Laden ✓ Justin Bieber ☐
World Hide and Seek Champion 2001-2011
Count to ten years then osma's on his way!
Just heard Elton John is going to be playing a tune at Osamas funeral. I'm guessing it will be 'Sandles in the bin"..
(http://patriotic.jimrlong.com/911/osama_liberty.jpg)
so will this be the 2012 campaign poster ???
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/LostMyselfInJC/1304313970.jpg)
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First let me say that I am extremely happy about the death of Bin Laden.
I can't have more respect than I already had for our Soldiers, but this just shows me that my respect and admiration was well place and deserved (was never any doubt anyway). But, again, I offer thanks and reflect on the debt we can never repay.
My first thoughts on Bin Laden being killed was that he avoided the suffering he deserved for all the pain he has caused. I envisioned wrapping him in pig skin like a football and then burying him directly under the spot where pigs are slaughter for meat.
I also have visions of the humiliation that might have been heaped upon him before he was allowed to die.
Then I remembered the pictures I have seen of Muslims desecrating the corpses of US Soldiers and the atrocities they perform upon them and the videos of the gleeful Muslims around the world over such events.
While I in no way think that US Soldiers, in any way, can be equated to the likes of Bin Laden, I do think that my reaction and desire for the pain, suffering and humiliation of Bin Laden came from the same rage and bitterness that fuels the Muslim demonstations.
So, I think it worked out for the best. He is dead. That was the goal and objective. If we believe the version of god he believed in is wrong and the version of God we believe in is right, he will suffer. He will suffer more than any pain or humiliation we could have heaped upon him here on earth.
He was buried in accordance with his religious beliefs (supposedly) and in a place that can become no "mecca" or rallying spot for our enemies (supposedly) and avoids all the complications involved in a live capture which could only end in his death anyway.
As the grandfather of a notorious forum member has said: There are many reasons to kill a man but none to be disrespectful to him. Well, if anyone ever deserved disrespect, Bin Laden was The One. I am glad he is dead and our public handling of his remains were honorable.
(Though I do not begrudge anyone harboring their thought of vengeance as I do)
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Too bad he wasn't captured alive.
I"m sure there is a long list of folks that would have loved to make his last days EXACTLY what he deserved. Thinking maybe a dungeon in Haifa....
Dead is OK too!!!! ;D ;D ;D
As long as he saw it coming I'm happy!
Good job Spooks and well done to the SEAL team.
I'm ordering a BLT for lunch!
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Booya! Take THAT f****r!
He was supposedly protected by Allah. Now they all know better. The gutless, heartless Americans flew into a foreign nation, landed in his front yard, blew down his doors, put a big friggin' hole in his head, then called it a day. God bless those troops. God has blessed US with the manpower to do such things, and we showed today that if we were really an evil nation we have the capability to do a LOT. We choose not to do evil. We choose to fight it.
And that burial at sea? Smart move not hanging on to the body. I don't know about honoring muslim burial, but I've heard they are supporsed to face Mecca when buried. That's pretty hard to do bobbing around at the bottom of the Mediterranean with concrete shoes.
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It will be interesting to see what story is told to the public and what "leaks" out through back channels. I am really curious about the mission details, tactics and weapons.
A couple of things that would have made it all the better.
1.) He gets capped with a 1911. Happy 100th anniversary!
2.) For his burial, he gets weighted down with some WTC steel. Preferably while still breathing.
All in all, it is very good news.
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No Tom, that is EXACTLY OPPOSITE of what I said. Did you even read the post past the first line?
A big DUH!! to both of you since you think the same!! Think outside the box for once.
Have you never heard of Extraordinary Rendition?
I'll save you guys from looking it up:
Extraordinary rendition and irregular rendition describe the abduction and extrajudicial transfer of a person from one nation to another.
"Torture by proxy" is used by some critics to describe situations in which the United States has transferred suspected terrorists to countries known to practice torture.
Where have you two been?
Do you really think the Israelis would read him his frigging' rights?? ::) ::)
Hence the term, "Thinking maybe a dungeon in Haifa..."
on edit - - I wish he was taken alive so he could endure being chopped into 350 little pieces, starting with his toes and working up!
No I didn't read beyond the first line.
As for "Extraordinary Rendition", This is the Obummer administration, they are far more likely to turn the SEALs over to Pakistan to face murder charges.
One down, one to go.
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New videos mark the occassion - careful probably considered NSFW or Mooslims
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This is what obamas speach should have been like
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkjsa0vvlq1qzu2tdo1_400.gif)
Love him or hate him, you have to admit that funny.
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Peace through superior firepower.
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Too bad he wasn't captured alive.
The bullet to his head saved the taxpayers several $$$ BILLION DOLLARS $$$. Look at what we've spent on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed already, just arguing where to try him. Bill T.
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Let me say I am not trolling or trying to stir up anything. This story does not make sense, for almost 10 years every statement by Bin Laden has proven to be either pre 9-11 or a fake and now they got him but they disposed of the body just as Obama kicks off his re-election campaign. I think we got him at Tora Bora and this story is a pure BS fairy tale ending going into the primaries.
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Let me say I am not trolling or trying to stir up anything. This story does not make sense, for almost 10 years every statement by Bin Laden has proven to be either pre 9-11 or a fake and now they got him but they disposed of the body just as Obama kicks off his re-election campaign. I think we got him at Tora Bora and this story is a pure BS fairy tale ending going into the primaries.
That would take a pretty big conspiracy.
Navy Seals were reportedly involved and if no other Seals are aware of those who did the mission, that fact will become known. Seals would share this debriefing with their brothers for sure.
And if it is fake, I doubt there were real Seals involved. I just do not see members of that outfit being willing to lie to boost BHO's reelection chances.
Have a friend who's son is working to become a Seal. Will check with her to see what he knows.
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Let me say I am not trolling or trying to stir up anything. This story does not make sense, for almost 10 years every statement by Bin Laden has proven to be either pre 9-11 or a fake and now they got him but they disposed of the body just as Obama kicks off his re-election campaign. I think we got him at Tora Bora and this story is a pure BS fairy tale ending going into the primaries.
That would be incredibly poor timing on BHo's part. If this is a hoax to boost his ratings then he should have saved it for closer to the general election in eighteen months. He's just not that stupid.
I did like the timing though - it is roughly the two year anniversary of the last decision he made (that one involved SEALs and Somali pirates) that I actually liked.
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May Day show of force in good comrade fashion...
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Just heard a press conference,
I guess the brave jihadist died with his wife as a human shield? I will never understand these people.
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As for the observation that it involved Navy Seals you are talking about people that can not be identified for their own safety. So if a story about a Seal Team taking out Bin Laden were not true you have the same result. They have no physical evidence and DNA does not require the death of an individual. If I tell you a story you can choose to believe it or not and all of the media appears to believe this one. With all of the dishonest and deceitful things this Administration has done how can you believe anything the Great Sock Puppet says? Look forward to a second term because he will get it!
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I heard that 5 out of 6 terrorist organizations are condemning his death.
Ya think? Who gives a flyin f*** about what hamas thinks, mr. media man.
Good riddance to a very disturbed and evil person.
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As for the observation that it involved Navy Seals you are talking about people that can not be identified for their own safety. So if a story about a Seal Team taking out Bin Laden were not true you have the same result. They have no physical evidence and DNA does not require the death of an individual. If I tell you a story you can choose to believe it or not and all of the media appears to believe this one. With all of the dishonest and deceitful things this Administration has done how can you believe anything the Great Sock Puppet says? Look forward to a second term because he will get it!
Again, the SEAL community would soon know it was a bogus raid and would not let that pass.
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Again, the SEAL community would soon know it was a bogus raid and would not let that pass.
That would be a new revolution.
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I heard that 5 out of 6 terrorist organizations are condemning his death.
The more they're pissed, the better I like it! Our turn to dance. Bill T.
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Too bad he wasn't captured alive.
I"m sure there is a long list of folks that would have loved to make his last days EXACTLY what he deserved. Thinking maybe a dungeon in Haifa....
Dead is OK too!!!! ;D ;D ;D
but let me ask you this....if you were the soldier, OBL on his knees groveling for mercy (at least I hope) and you had the opportunity to put a hollowpoint thru his brain, would you want to take that chance? I hope they at least make him eat a ham sammich before they popped him though
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(http://i.imgur.com/09fM7.jpg)
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they are reporting here that when he was found that he used one of his wives as a shield and went for a weapon and that is when he was shot.
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(http://i.imgur.com/09fM7.jpg)
Stolen.
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Stolen.
any time
(http://episcopalian.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/obama-osama.jpg)
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/02/teacher-shaves-time-sept-11-2001/?test=latestnews
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When I first heard of the "burial at sea", I figured they just threw his worthless carcass out of the helicopter. ::)
Glad he's dead. God Bless Our Military!!!!
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(http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/05/03/1226048/978816-bin-laden-white-house.jpg)
President Barack Obama and other US national security officials watched live footage of the attack, filmed via a video camera fixed to the helmet of a Navy Seal and relayed to the White House by satellite.
They saw the moment Bin Laden was shot in the left eye.
Mr Obama said: "We got him."
http://www.news.com.au/world/last-act-of-cowardice-osama-bin-laden-used-wife-as-human-shield/story-fn8ljm6z-1226048824448#ixzz1LFRw1I5B
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When I first heard of the "burial at sea", I figured they just threw his worthless carcass out of the helicopter. ::)
Glad he's dead. God Bless Our Military!!!!
Though he didn't deserve more than a pail of pigshit for a burial, his respectful disposal proves that we are not the heathen assbags that most Muslims are...
God Bless the United States of America and the Armed Forces of the United States!
These men of Honor will be rewarded quietly as is their tradition.
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Musings on the OP . . . .
Grateful he was whacked and we did not lose anyone.
Can't get too rejoicing or celebratory though, in part because I do not want to celebrate the removal of this POS, deserved so it was, the feeling is more of grim satisfaction, just as 9/11 is remembered as being in a cloud of grim rage. Sort of like the killing of a pest who has ravaged your ranch or garden. Also, I know full well our own POS .gov will use this to remove more freedoms, rights and liberties from the American people, under the guide of keeping us safer.
I liked the checklist, but sadly - and again, deserv ed it may be - Bieber ain't even close to being that high up on the list! ;D The list is long, however, and not all of the names are those of funny talking furriners.
Just read a reminder story that the very team (Seal Team 6) that took OBL out was the same one that the asshole writer at the New Yorker called "Cheney's personal assassination team".
Looks like in the photo that Hitlery can't stomach this part of her job.
More as it develops.
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Musings on the OP . . . .
Looks like in the photo that Hitlery can't stomach this part of her job.
Actually, that was kind of reassuring. If you don't flinch a little, at least internally, when you see another human being killed in real time and at least partially at your orders, I'd wonder about you. The stomach for the job requires that you give those orders and live with the consequences, not that you like the reality of it. Its sort of like an execution. No one leaves the death chamber exchanging high fives, no mater how evil the SOB was.
FQ13
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Looks like in the photo that Hitlery can't stomach this part of her job.
Clinton's look is because she's finally seeing how the business end of foreign policy actually looks like and how it works
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Actually, that was kind of reassuring. If you don't flinch a little, at least internally, when you see another human being killed in real time and at least partially at your orders, I'd wonder about you. The stomach for the job requires that you give those orders and live with the consequences, not that you like the reality of it. Its sort of like an execution. No one leaves the death chamber exchanging high fives, no mater how evil the SOB was.
FQ13
Figures you'd think that.
Go back and re-read my post, slowly and it's OK if your lips move as you do, I want you to get it right this time. Look for the part where I say no rejoicing or celebratory, and especially the part of "the feeling is more of grim satisfaction".
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Actually, that was kind of reassuring. If you don't flinch a little, at least internally, when you see another human being killed in real time and at least partially at your orders, I'd wonder about you. The stomach for the job requires that you give those orders and live with the consequences, not that you like the reality of it. Its sort of like an execution. No one leaves the death chamber exchanging high fives, no mater how evil the SOB was.
FQ13
This statement I agree with but......your guy plays golf while brave men die in three war zones. GWB decided that was in poor taste and kept off the golf course after invading Iraq and Afghanistan. Who's the better man?
this is rhetorical FQ, your reply isn't necessary...
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Figures you'd think that.
Go back and re-read my post, slowly and it's OK if your lips move as you do, I want you to get it right this time. Look for the part where I say no rejoicing or celebratory, and especially the part of "the feeling is more of grim satisfaction".
No slam or self rghteousness intended Path. I agree with every word you wrote. All I meant to say was that I was glad our government treated it with grave solemnity, not gloating. I'm also gladwe showed a bit of class with the burial and didn't drag his body through the streets like his people do to ours (Mogadishu anyone >:(). I guess the contrast is with Saadams execution when the witnesses taunted him and made a mockery of the thing. Things like this should be grim, but we should also not feel guilty about being satisfied that its over and glad the guy is dead.
Fq13
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Burial at sea, I was hoping they'd wrap a couple weights around his ankles set him afloat in a raft and shoot it and him full of holes, him full of more holes, and as it sinks get eveyone to piss on him.
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Actually, that was kind of reassuring. If you don't flinch a little, at least internally, when you see another human being killed in real time and at least partially at your orders, I'd wonder about you. The stomach for the job requires that you give those orders and live with the consequences, not that you like the reality of it. Its sort of like an execution. No one leaves the death chamber exchanging high fives, no mater how evil the SOB was.
FQ13
Look at your comment, now back to mine. Now back at your comment now back to mine. Sadly it isn't mine, but if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate comments it could look like mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You're scrolling through comments, writing the comment your comment could look like. What did you post? Back at mine, it's a reply saying something you want to hear. Look again the reply is now diamonds. Anything is possible when you think before you post.
Sorry FQ been waiting to use this for ages on someone, ;D
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FQ doesn't know what the f..k he's babbling about. Professionals take care of business, and go home to their families. Or else they engage in liberal hand wringing and die.
Guess they didn't teach you THAT shit in ROTC did they FQ.
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"US officials said controversial techniques including water-boarding and sleep deprivation were directly responsible for helping security forces find the warlord."
Something else the libtards and wackos can deny. Bill T.
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....................................Just read a reminder story that the very team (Seal Team 6) that took OBL out was the same one that the asshole writer at the New Yorker called "Cheney's personal assassination team".
Looks like in the photo that Hitlery can't stomach this part of her job.
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No kiddin'. Saw that. All of the politicians were wide eyed...except Biden, he didn't know where he was or was wondering how he could plagerize some of that action. The military man at the end of the table...all business, Gates....had the smirkey smile of the bunch.
Has anyone heard a rumor that Lake City ammo is actually lubed with pig fat and sealed with a concoction of pig urine and pig feces cooked off in a solvent to make a long-lasting varnish type sealer?
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I want to know who put the value of that place at $1,000,000.00? The joint looks like an industrial storage facility. Bill T.
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I want to know who put the value of that place at $1,000,000.00? The joint looks like an industrial storage facility. Bill T.
Dollar doesn't buy what it use to Bill.
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No slam or self rghteousness intended Path. I agree with every word you wrote. All I meant to say was that I was glad our government treated it with grave solemnity, not gloating. I'm also gladwe showed a bit of class with the burial and didn't drag his body through the streets like his people do to ours (Mogadishu anyone >:(). I guess the contrast is with Saadams execution when the witnesses taunted him and made a mockery of the thing. Things like this should be grim, but we should also not feel guilty about being satisfied that its over and glad the guy is dead.
Fq13
Personally I would like the head on a pole outside the White House till the crows ate all the flesh off of it.
But I'm a vindictive little shit that likes the bad guys to know we mean business.
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Dollar doesn't buy what it use to Bill.
like the USD :P
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they are reporting here that when he was found that he used one of his wives as a shield and went for a weapon and that is when he was shot.
In thinking about this operation, I'd guess that the objective was to kill OBL with no option to capture him alive. We would gain so little value by having him alive (if any) and a ton of drawbacks related to how "civilized" people would treat him.
This means he would be executed no matter what efforts he made to surrender.
One of the helicopters was reported shot down by the defenders so OBL would not have been surprised in bed by the SEALS entry into his room.
I have little doubt that from the second SEAL team 6 left on the mission that the official result was OBL was killed offering resistance.
I also have little doubt that the official disposition of the body, should they manage to pull out with it was that he was buried at sea was known from the start of the mission.
I'd guess that from the start of the mission, the goal was 1) to get OBL dead and 2) to lose his body forever if possible.
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"US officials said controversial techniques including water-boarding and sleep deprivation were directly responsible for helping security forces find the warlord."
Something else the libtards and wackos can deny. Bill T.
this will make Obama look like a hypocrite
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Burial at sea, I was hoping they'd wrap a couple weights around his ankles set him afloat in a raft and shoot it and him full of holes, him full of more holes, and as it sinks get eveyone to piss on him.
While I might agree with the attitude of your post. These guys are called "quiet professionals" for a reason. They understood that magnitude of what they had just accomplished. No need to stoop to the enemies level of desecration.
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this will make Obama look like a hypocrite
And those who support him. The bimbo's over at "The View" were already yucking it up yesterday about how "smart" Hussein was to not bomb him, and all of their other libtard rhetoric. They conveniently forget there would have been nothing to "get" if it weren't for the tactics used to make KSM and the others rat out the information that was needed to kill the piece of sub human scum. Bill T.
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Just to throw in my own dementedness, I'd like to know which weapon was used. NATO .223 rifle or a trusty 1911 from a holster?
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One of the helicopters was reported shot down by the defenders so OBL would not have been surprised in bed by the SEALS entry into his room.
I understand it went down due to mechanical failure/hard landing, not from hostile fire. It was destroyed in place, probably as soon as the Team exfilled.
I also have little doubt that the official disposition of the body, should they manage to pull out with it was that he was buried at sea was known from the start of the mission.
I'd guess that from the start of the mission, the goal was 1) to get OBL dead and 2) to lose his body forever if possible.
NYT reported it was already a consideration.
White House officials decided before Monday’s firefight in northern Pakistan that if American troops killed Osama bin Laden, they would bury him at sea in order to prevent his grave from becoming a shrine for his followers, a White House official said Monday. They planned to include all rites associated with Muslim burials, the official added.
American officials stressed Monday that the sea burial followed Islamic custom. “The disposal of — the burial of Bin Laden’s remains was done in strict conformance with Islamic precepts and practices,” said John O. Brennan, President Obama’s top counterterrorism adviser, who added that the administration had consulted with Islamic experts.
Another reason we are more "civilized" than our current opponent, they would have left the body to rot. We made sure to follow the religious customs.
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I understand it went down due to mechanical failure/hard landing, not from hostile fire. It was destroyed in place, probably as soon as the Team exfilled.
I wondered about that when I read it was bought down by hostile fire but everyone escaped injury. Unless a lucky shot brings down the bird, enough hostile fire to down it would mean likely casualties, let alone trying to land a damaged chopper under fire and have everyone remain unharmed.
I then wondered if it was sacrificed to support the story OBL was shot in a firefight while resisting capture. Only matters to the PC folks...getting him dead was the goal.
Same with the full ceremonial burial at sea. Making sure the body was never found was the goal and it doesn't matter if it was tossed out the door as soon as they were over deep water.
Professionalism was maintained and no dishonor was committed.
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They used to call him "Great Sheik", now they just call him "chum". ;D
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I wondered about that when I read it was bought down by hostile fire but everyone escaped injury.
Everything I've seen/heard so far says there were no causalities, no mention of injuries.
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There was a question earlier about the weapon, type used. This is what I received earlier today on what seals carry.
custom Sig 226 in 9mm and the MK23 .45cal SOCOM handgun by HK. Have not heard this anywhere else, but thought this would lead to more discussion.
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There was a question earlier about the weapon, type used. This is what I received earlier today on what seals carry.
custom Sig 226 in 9mm and the MK23 .45cal SOCOM handgun by HK. Have not heard this anywhere else, but thought this would lead to more discussion.
You are correct sir! However the behemoth MK23 is less favored by spec ops for the slightly more compact USP. The SIG 226 is also a common sidearm.
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JC, Thanks. I was just passing on what I saw earlier on another site. I'll have to add these two to my shopping list.
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Interesting updates and commentary:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383010/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Obama-took-16-hours-make-mind.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383010/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Obama-took-16-hours-make-mind.html)
* Obama took sixteen hours to make up his mind about Bin Laden mission
Not exactly the gutsy, snap decision it was made out to be. Military left hanging while he "slept on it."
Again, the Brits deliver the news the US MSM WILL NOT report
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/obls_death_a_victory_for_the_a.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/obls_death_a_victory_for_the_a.html)
* OBL's Death a Victory for the Adults
"When you drill down, the death of bin Laden has nothing to do with the core beliefs of this President or the entire liberal movement."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/2/no-class-obama-snubs-bush-praises-himself/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/2/no-class-obama-snubs-bush-praises-himself/)
* No Class: Obama snubs Bush, praises himself
Somewhere this AM I read where bho mentioned himself as "I", "me", or "my" numerous times in his announcement re' OBL's killing.
unrelated to OBL but expressive as to the people we are dealing with - - - in DC anyhow - http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/03/white-house-asked-california-paper-to-take-out-unflattering-remark-about-first-lady/ (http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/03/white-house-asked-california-paper-to-take-out-unflattering-remark-about-first-lady/)
White House asked California paper to take out unflattering remark about first lady
And from the leftoid libtards at Salon . . .
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/05/02/osama_and_chants_of_usa (http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/05/02/osama_and_chants_of_usa)
"USA! USA!" is the wrong response
Bin Laden's death is a great relief, but by cheering it we're mimicking our worst enemies
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I heard today that I-bama is going to Ground Zero to gloat. It's his first trip since becoming Pres.
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Glad Bin Laden is dead. Proud of the team/s that were involved and none were harmed. But just like a dope dealer, there are more out there to take his place. The job is never finished. Just like the Spec Op's Teams never quit training.
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(http://extragoodshit.phlap.net/wp-content/uploads/extragoodshit.phlap.net/2011/05/kxugl.jpg)
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here are some clear photos around the place
http://cryptome.org/eyeball/obl-kill/obl-kill.htm
WARNING – GRAPHICAL
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2011/may/04/osama-bin-laden-compound#/?picture=374256178&index=6
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I heard today that I-bama is going to Ground Zero to gloat. It's his first trip since becoming Pres.
Headline from this morning:
http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/04/obama-administration-takes-victory-lap-in-clown-car/ (http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/04/obama-administration-takes-victory-lap-in-clown-car/)
Obama Administration takes victory lap in clown car
FTA: "Let’s start with that speech Sunday night. It was originally announced for 10:30 but didn’t happen until 11:30. By that time, the news Obama was supposed to be breaking had broken already. Not the best start. Presumably he was delayed arguing with his speechwriters about keeping in all the “I,” “Me,” and “Mine.” Everything having to do with this raid was “I”; anything that could be attributed to the Bush administration was “We.” “I gave the order, I did this, I did that.” The hallmark of any great leader is a willingness to bravely take credit for the hard work and sacrifice of others.
Then there’s the official narrative of the raid, which has already gone through more versions than the Star Wars movies. First Bin Laden had a gun; then he didn’t. He hid behind one of his wives, who was killed; wait, no, scratch that, she’s alive and wasn’t his wife. Maybe? Now Leon Panetta says he and President Obama didn’t actually see the whole thing go down, after the White House made a point of releasing that instantly iconic picture of the whole gang watching it go down."
PS: It comes out today that the picture was staged, not real time. Nice bunch of "leaders" we have here, no? >:(
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Headline from this morning:
http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/04/obama-administration-takes-victory-lap-in-clown-car/ (http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/04/obama-administration-takes-victory-lap-in-clown-car/)
Obama Administration takes victory lap in clown car
FTA: "Let’s start with that speech Sunday night. It was originally announced for 10:30 but didn’t happen until 11:30. By that time, the news Obama was supposed to be breaking had broken already. Not the best start. Presumably he was delayed arguing with his speechwriters about keeping in all the “I,” “Me,” and “Mine.” Everything having to do with this raid was “I”; anything that could be attributed to the Bush administration was “We.” “I gave the order, I did this, I did that.” The hallmark of any great leader is a willingness to bravely take credit for the hard work and sacrifice of others.
Then there’s the official narrative of the raid, which has already gone through more versions than the Star Wars movies. First Bin Laden had a gun; then he didn’t. He hid behind one of his wives, who was killed; wait, no, scratch that, she’s alive and wasn’t his wife. Maybe? Now Leon Panetta says he and President Obama didn’t actually see the whole thing go down, after the White House made a point of releasing that instantly iconic picture of the whole gang watching it go down."
PS: It comes out today that the picture was staged, not real time. Nice bunch of "leaders" we have here, no? >:(
Which is why I will henceforth refer to him as Ibama.
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Interesting updates and commentary:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383010/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Obama-took-16-hours-make-mind.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383010/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Obama-took-16-hours-make-mind.html)
* Obama took sixteen hours to make up his mind about Bin Laden mission
Not exactly the gutsy, snap decision it was made out to be. Military left hanging while he "slept on it."
Again, the Brits deliver the news the US MSM WILL NOT report
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/obls_death_a_victory_for_the_a.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/obls_death_a_victory_for_the_a.html)
* OBL's Death a Victory for the Adults
"When you drill down, the death of bin Laden has nothing to do with the core beliefs of this President or the entire liberal movement."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/2/no-class-obama-snubs-bush-praises-himself/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/2/no-class-obama-snubs-bush-praises-himself/)
* No Class: Obama snubs Bush, praises himself
Somewhere this AM I read where bho mentioned himself as "I", "me", or "my" numerous times in his announcement re' OBL's killing.
unrelated to OBL but expressive as to the people we are dealing with - - - in DC anyhow - http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/03/white-house-asked-california-paper-to-take-out-unflattering-remark-about-first-lady/ (http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/03/white-house-asked-california-paper-to-take-out-unflattering-remark-about-first-lady/)
White House asked California paper to take out unflattering remark about first lady
And from the leftoid libtards at Salon . . .
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/05/02/osama_and_chants_of_usa (http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/05/02/osama_and_chants_of_usa)
"USA! USA!" is the wrong response
Bin Laden's death is a great relief, but by cheering it we're mimicking our worst enemies
16 hours, it would have taken me about 16 second.
The only reason why it took that long was me trying to figure out whats the fastest way to kill him...
It would have went down some thing like this.
"we know where osama is"
" are you sure?"
"yep"
" whats the closest asset to kill him?"
"*insert name of the asset*"
"Go, Go, Go!"
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FOREIGN Minister Kevin Rudd has been drawn into an ugly international dispute over intelligence revelations, which Pakistan says could have disrupted the top-secret US operation to kill Osama bin Laden.
Pakistan's ISI intelligence agency claims Mr Rudd "shattered" a confidence by publicly confirming the arrest of Bali bomber and al-Qa'ida acolyte Umar Patek in late March.
The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade's most senior official, secretary Dennis Richardson, yesterday dismissed the claims as "untrue and absurd".
But an ISI spokesman told The Australian yesterday Pakistani authorities had deliberately kept secret Patek's arrest in January - in the same town where bin Laden was found and killed this week - for fear that "subsequent leads would all go dead".
<http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/rudd-in-row-over-osama-allys-arrest/story-fn59niix-1226050795277>
good old KRudd just has to be in everything...
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http://news.yahoo.com/correcting-fairy-tale-seal-account-osama-bin-laden-054233289.html
Forget whatever you think you know about the night Osama bin Laden was killed. According to a former Navy SEAL who claims to have the inside track, the mangled tales told of that historic night have only now been corrected.
“It became obvious in the weeks evolving after the mission that the story that was getting put out there was not only untrue, but it was a really ugly farce of what did happen,” said Chuck Pfarrer, author of Seal Target Geronimo: The Inside Story of the Mission to Kill Osama Bin Laden.
In an extensive interview with The Daily Caller, Pfarrer gave a detailed account of why he believes the record needed to be corrected, and why he set out to share the personal stories of the warriors who penetrated bin Laden’s long-secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.
In August the New Yorker delivered a riveting blow-by-blow of the SEALs’ May 1, 2011 raid on bin Laden’s hideaway. In that account, later reported to lack contributions from the SEALs involved, readers are taken through a mission that began with a top-secret helicopter crashing and led to a bottom-up assault of the Abbottabad compound.
Freelancer Nicholas Schmidle wrote that the SEALs had shot and blasted their way up floor-by-floor, finally cornering the bewildered Al-Qaida leader:
“The Al Qaeda chief, who was wearing a tan shalwar kameez and a prayer cap on his head, froze; he was unarmed. ‘There was never any question of detaining or capturing him—it wasn’t a split-second decision. No one wanted detainees,’ the special-operations officer told me. (The Administration maintains that had bin Laden immediately surrendered he could have been taken alive.) Nine years, seven months, and twenty days after September 11th, an American was a trigger pull from ending bin Laden’s life. The first round, a 5.56-mm. bullet, struck bin Laden in the chest. As he fell backward, the SEAL fired a second round into his head, just above his left eye.”
Chuck Pfarrer rejects almost all of that story.
“The version of the 45-minute firefight, and the ground-up assault, and the cold-blooded murder on the third floor — that wasn’t the mission,” Pfarrer told TheDC.
“I had to try and figure out, well, look: Why is this story not what I’m hearing? Why is it so off and how is it so off?” he recounted. “One of the things I sort of determined was, OK, somebody was told ‘one of the insertion helicopters crashed.’ OK, well that got muddled to ‘a helicopter crashed on insertion.’”
The helicopters, called “Stealth Hawks,” are inconspicuous machines concealing cutting-edge technology. They entered the compound as planned, with “Razor 1″ disembarking its team of SEALs on the roof of the compound — not on the ground level. There was no crash landing. That wouldn’t occur until after bin Laden was dead.
Meanwhile, “Razor 2″ took up a hovering position so that its on-board snipers, some of whom had also participated in the sea rescue of Maersk Alabama captain Richard Phillips, had a clear view of anyone fleeing the compound.
The SEALs then dropped down from the roof, immediately penetrated the third floor, and hastily encountered bin Laden in his room. He was not standing still.
“He dived across the king-size bed to get at the AKSU rifle he kept by the headboard,” wrote Pfarrer in his book. It was at that moment, a mere 90 seconds after the SEALs first set foot on the roof, that two American bullets shattered bin Laden’s chest and head, killing a man who sought violence to the very end.
President Obama stepped up to a podium in the East Room of the White House that night to announce bin Laden’s death. That rapid announcement, explained Pfarrer, posed a major threat to U.S. national security.
“There was a choice that night,” Pfarrer told TheDC. “There was a choice to keep the mission secret.” America, Pfarrer explained, could have left things alone for “weeks or months … even though there was evidence left on the ground there … and use the intelligence and finish off al-Qaida.”
But Obama’s announcement, he said, “rendered moot all of the intelligence that was gathered from the nexus of al-Qaida. The computer drives, the hard drives, the videocasettes, the CDs, the thumb drives, everything. Before that could even be looked through, the political decision was made to take credit for the operation.”
And in the days that followed, as politicians sought to thrust their identities into the details of the bin Laden kill, the tale began to grow out of control, said Pfarrer.
“The president made a statement, and as far as that goes, that was fine, that was the mission statement,” he explained. “But, soon after … politicians began leaking information from every orifice. And it was like a game of Chinese telephone. These guys didn’t know what they were talking about. Very few of them had even seen the video feed.”
Pfarrer suggests that much of the misinformation was likely born out of operational ignorance, even among those sitting in the White House.
“One of the things that happened was that there were only a handful of people who know about this mission,” he said. “On the civilian side, there were only a handful of people in the situation room who were watching the drone feed. They were looking at the roof of a building taken from a rotating aircraft at 35,000 feet.”
“None of those guys, not a single one of them, had a background in special operations, with the exception of General Webb who was sitting there running a laptop,” Pfarrer went on. “No one knew or could even imagine what was going on inside the building. They didn’t know.”
“There was an alternative feed going to CIA headquarters where Leon Panetta sat there with the communications brevity codes [a guide sheet for the mission's radio lingo] in his lap and a SEAL off-screen by his side to be able to tell him what was going on,” he said. “But these guys, none of them, really knew what they were looking at.”
As the media raised more questions, officials gave more answers.
Whether or not bin Laden resisted ultimately developed into a barrage of murky official and unofficial explanations in the days following. And statements from as high as then-CIA Director Leon Panetta offered confirmation that the endeavor was a “kill mission.”
Pfarrer dismisses that assertion.
“An order to go in and murder someone in their house is not a lawful order,” explained Pfarrer, who maintains that bin Laden would have been captured had he surrendered. “Unlike the Germans in World War II, if you’re a petty officer, a chief petty officer, a naval officer, and you’re giving an order to murder somebody, that’s an unlawful order.”
Pfarrer also suggests some of the emerging claims were simply self-aggrandizing “fairy tales.”
“The story they tried to tell — it’s preposterous. And the CIA tried to jump in. About mid-June the CIA tried to jump into the car and drive the victory lap. There’s this whole stuff about the CIA guy joining the operation, the gallant interpreter — he couldn’t even fast rope!” exclaimed Pfarrer, referring to a technique for descending from an airborne helicopter.
“There’s this fairy tale about him walking out of the compound during the operation to tell crowds of Pakistanis to go home and everything’s OK.”
Pfarrer tried to put this in perspective: “Do you mean that during the middle of this military operation at night, with hovering helicopters over this odd house in this neighborhood, that people came out of their houses to ask what’s going on, instead of [remaining] huddled in their basement?”
“And I think that there were so many of these leaks that were incorrect, the administration couldn’t walk them all back,” Pfarrer explained. “And so, in the middle of May, they froze everything.”
It was that freeze-out that left Chuck Pfarrer with nowhere to turn for the real story but the SEALs themselves.
Seal Target Geronimo delivers an account of the night Osama bin Laden died with a level of detail unlike anything previously reported. Pfarrer bills the story as “absolutely factual.”
“That’s the other thing. I’m prepared for the White House to say, you know, ‘this is full of inaccuracies,’ et cetera,” offered Pfarrer. He told TheDC that in order to protect American interests, his book is “full of names that are made up, and it is full of bases that are not quite where they really should be.”
“But the timeline of my events,” he cautions, “and the manner in which it happened is 100 percent accurate. And they’ll know that.”
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So, once again this Administration lies. And we are surprised by this for what reason?
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So, once again this Administration gets caught yet again in its lies. And we are surprised by this for what reason?
FIFY
And since the SEALS understand Duty, Honor and Country. This administration would difficulty in spelling any of these words without help, let alone define them, no one here should be surprised, just educated as to how deep, how pervasive the the lying is from DC.
Note to all - when a leftoid mouthpiece like the New Yorker comes out with an "official" story, you can bet dollars to donuts it is a complete fabrication, loaded with spin.
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Personally, I've believed nothing I've read. This guy may be accurate, maybe not! Either way, having once had a Top Secret clearance in the Navy, disclosing what is considered "need to know" information is taken very seriously.
These men who were involved in this mission don't need to "prove" their heroism nor do they need to brag about it to boost their own egos. Those that do aren't there for long. They retire and become firearms instructors or run some BS "Seal Experience" school!
I'm good knowing that the POS is dead. I could care less how he died.
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I shot Bigfoot yesterday. I ate him and dumped the remains in the lake before I could prove it. Just take my word for it. Seriously. - Doug Stanhope
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I shot Bigfoot yesterday. I ate him and dumped the remains in the lake before I could prove it. Just take my word for it. Seriously. - Doug Stanhope
I'd believe you Doug but I already know your name is Roy!
Enjoy your Yeti jerky...
;D ;D
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While I am willing to believe that (gasp!) politician's lie and abuse intel for political gain, I'm skeptical of the author as well. His assertion that no SEAL would kill an unarmed man as its not a lawful order? What planet is this idiot living on? Not one but two Presidents issued a Presidential Finding declaring Bin Laden to be a "clear and present danger". Sounds lawful to me.
FQ13
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While I am willing to believe that (gasp!) politician's lie and abuse intel for political gain, I'm skeptical of the author as well. His assertion that no SEAL would kill an unarmed man as its not a lawful order? What planet is this idiot living on? Not one but two Presidents issued a Presidential Finding declaring Bin Laden to be a "clear and present danger". Sounds lawful to me.
FQ13
Well, for one, the author is a former SEAL, whereas you are a faux libertarian former Perfesser, so he wins in the credibility contest.
And the SEAL mission is not and never has been so far as I can recall ever reading - purely kill missions. Of course, we only get to see a tiny percentage of what they do. Their missions typically include grabbing people, gathering intel, and on occasion whacking someone in the middle of combat, like the 3 Somali pirates, but to mount and operate a pure "go out and kill someone" mission - doubtful, very, very doubtful.
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Well, for one, the author is a former SEAL, whereas you are a faux libertarian former Perfesser, so he wins in the credibility contest.
And the SEAL mission is not and never has been so far as I can recall ever reading - purely kill missions. Of course, we only get to see a tiny percentage of what they do. Their missions typically include grabbing people, gathering intel, and on occasion whacking someone in the middle of combat, like the 3 Somali pirates, but to mount and operate a pure "go out and kill someone" mission - doubtful, very, very doubtful.
Why? Because it offends some abstract sense of morality? It damn sure doesn't offend me. I doubt Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, or Reagan were overly bothered either. You might want to reread your Vietnam War history, or your histories of our involvement in Central America and the Carribean and other garden spots around the world. We tend to play rough, and frankly, from time to time its a necessary thing. Don't try to make plaster saints out of soldiers. Neither the saints nor the soldiers will thank you for it.
Fq13
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Personally, I've believed nothing I've read. This guy may be accurate, maybe not! Either way, having once had a Top Secret clearance in the Navy, disclosing what is considered "need to know" information is taken very seriously.
These men who were involved in this mission don't need to "prove" their heroism nor do they need to brag about it to boost their own egos. Those that do aren't there for long. They retire and become firearms instructors or run some BS "Seal Experience" school!
I'm good knowing that the POS is dead. I could care less how he died.
I tend to agree with this.
It is not in the Intelligence Community/Special Operations mindset to blab anything.
I didn't see him give any compelling reason to make what really happened known. No threat to anyone had this version not been told. All it might do is cast more discredit on an already moral bankrupt administration.
The only motive I see for making this expose is political or perhaps fame and fortune.
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FQ, being clueless you may want to review your "military law".
Following orders you know are illegal is a criminal offense, whacking prisoners is considered a war crime, and assassination was specifically outlawed during the 70's.
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FQ, being clueless you may want to review your "military law".
Following orders you know are illegal is a criminal offense, whacking prisoners is considered a war crime, and assassination was specifically outlawed during the 70's.
Wrong Tom. Legally its a lot more complicated, and a hell of a lot more entertaining. Here's a very brief legal overview. It starts with Ford and ends with BO, with segues though Carter, Reagan, W. and BO. You know it has to be good. ;D
Here's the deal. Ford signed Executive Order 11905 prohibiting assassinations for political purposes after the Church Committee Report. That was strengthened (by Carter ::)) in Executive Order 12036. It basically kept the spooks out of dealing with US citizens, leaving that exclusively to the FBI, but also just flat out banned assassinations. Reagan signed Executive Order 12333 stating the same ban. However all three are Executive Orders, not law, and can be countermanded, quite lawfully, by simple Presidential order under authority of the Comander in Chief clause in Article II. A Presidential Finding that someone poses a clear and present danger, with notification of the "Big Four" has been held to be the gold standard here, but it is not legally necessary. An Executive Order for actions taken abroad can be counter-mandated by another, and the military is obligated to obey as it is Constitutionally lawful.
As exhibit A, I give you W.. In Executive Order 13470 signed in 2004, he basically reorganized the Intelligence Community into the shape we see now, in order to make it fall into line with The Patriot Act (among other concerns). However, hidden in and amongst the the delegation of responsibilities for who was responsible for what, was this little gem:
4) Conduct covert action activities approved by the President. No agency except the Central Intelligence Agency (or the Armed Forces of the United States in time of war declared by the Congress or during any period covered by a report from the President to the Congress consistent with the War Powers Resolution, Public Law 93‑148) may conduct any covert action activity unless the President determines that another agency is more likely to achieve a particular objective;
Essentially, this says that any covert activity, of what ever nature, provided it has Presidential and Congressional approval (in the broadest sense) is kosher. This means the "clear and present danger" test is gone, as is the need to notify the "Gang of Four". Congress, by giving vague approval to actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as the War on Terror, have essentially given the green light for a President to use this clause to order a hit. Who used it? Not just W., but also BO. W. green lighted Bin Laden, though BO was in charge when Bin Laden died. However, it was an all BO operation when we took down radical cleric, terrorist, and US citizen Al Awlaki in Yemen. It was the CIA/The Air Force that did the deed with a drone, but the the deed was done. All perfectly legal Tom, because Congress approved action against Al Queda. Actually, it was even Kosher under International Law, (as though we care) , because the UN named Al Awlaki as a member of Al Queda and International Law recognizes the right of nation states to use force against declared enemies.
This was a long post, but I hope a useful one. The moral of the story is this. With the exception of political assassinations which we seem to have sworn off post Castro, the US does engage in assassination and it is legal as long as it has Presidential sanction and takes place abroad. Even US citizens abroad can be considered legitimate targets.
FQ13
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Bear in mind that I don't have any problem with whacking non US citizens who make them selves annoying.
I think it would have been the best way to handle Saddam, and we should hit Chavez.
On the other hand we would have derived some good propaganda value from having UBL do a perp walk, with occasional reminders that the "Great Sheik" was sitting in an American cage like a monkey in a zoo.
The down side of course is that like the socialist Euro/Palestinian terrorists of the 70's and 80's he would, if alive, serve as a rallying point for further attacks attempting to free him.
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Bear in mind that I don't have any problem with whacking non US citizens who make them selves annoying.
I think it would have been the best way to handle Saddam, and we should hit Chavez.
On the other hand we would have derived some good propaganda value from having UBL do a perp walk, with occasional reminders that the "Great Sheik" was sitting in an American cage like a monkey in a zoo.
The down side of course is that like the socialist Euro/Palestinian terrorists of the 70's and 80's he would, if alive, serve as a rallying point for further attacks attempting to free him.
It might have been a lesson in "the rule of law", but no American anywhere would have been safe from being kidnapped and held hostage for his release until the guy died of old age or a needle. I'm not a big Stephen King fan, but here I have to give the man props. "Sometimes dead is better". ;D
FQ13
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It might have been a lesson in "the rule of law", but no American anywhere would have been safe from being kidnapped and held hostage for his release until the guy died of old age or a needle. I'm not a big Stephen King fan, but here I have to give the man props. "Sometimes dead is better". ;D
FQ13
Simpler any way.
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http://news.yahoo.com/spec-ops-command-seal-raid-book-lie-090244352.html
As I said before, unless and until the men involved break their silence, everything is questionable...
FTA
"Pfarrer has made a two-decade career out of his roughly eight years with the SEALs. After retiring as a lieutenant in the late 1980s he co-wrote the screenplay for the 1990 film "Navy Seals," starring Charlie Sheen. Two books about SEALs followed. His current book traces his own history with the unit, and finishes with two chapters on the raid. It includes romantic descriptions of the SEAL raiders."
This and "GI Jane" are probably the worst Navy movies I've personally every watched...
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"It's just not true," U.S. Special Operations Command spokesman Col. Tim Nye said. "It's not how it happened."
Laden with conspiracy theories and attacks on the Obama White House
What else would you expect the official spokesman to say ?
"Why yes, the Commander in Chief is a POS."
Not the quickest route to General. ::)
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"Why yes, the Commander in Chief is a POS."
Not the quickest route to General. ::)
True...the sad part for career Military is that they have to answer to this President knowing the disdain he more than likely holds for them in private.
Either way, the dudes dead, end of story as we'll never know the truth.
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The author has colon cancer but swears he was part of the group that trained the Teams for the mission, really?
I don't care how buddy-buddy you are with the Teams, the guys that went on the mission aren't going to tell you squat, since they know blabbing gets them a nice Article 92, 98, 133, and 134 hearing for improper handling of classified material.
Sure the JSOC PIO might be covering his butt, but do you really think this tool has THAT much "insider" info?
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The author has colon cancer but swears he was part of the group that trained the Teams for the mission, really?
I don't care how buddy-buddy you are with the Teams, the guys that went on the mission aren't going to tell you squat, since they know blabbing gets them a nice Article 92, 98, 133, and 134 hearing for improper handling of classified material.
Sure the JSOC PIO might be covering his butt, but do you really think this tool has THAT much "insider" info?
I agree with you that as far as operators go, classified means classified. You tend to not open your trap when it's your butt on the line. However, our government has been pretty careless with classified info. Stuff gets leaked all the time. It surprises me that we don't have a meeting with our enemies before we attack to discuss how the operation will go. We the public do not need to know the details of the operation. For that matter, we didn't need to know he was toast until all the intel was analyzed and followed up on. The fact that BHO was in such a hurry to take credit for it made a lot of that info worthless.
Imagine the outcome of the Normandy landings if we had the security of todays politicians.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/9/newsid_4013000/4013143.stm
Marines landing in Somalia not to machine guns, but to the media? WTF Everyone of the media should have been rounded up and taken prisoner during that assault. All footage confiscated. Things like this not only jeopardize our soldiers lives, but it shows our enemies our tactics, allowing them easy access to training footage.