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Title: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: Hazcat on May 21, 2011, 05:53:21 PM
by ELLEN TUMPOSKY
May 20, 2011

A Tucson, Ariz., SWAT team defends shooting an Iraq War veteran 60 times during a drug raid, although it declines to say whether it found any drugs in the house and has had to retract its claim that the veteran shot first.

And the Pima County sheriff scolded the media for "questioning the legality" of the shooting.

--SNIP--

Vanessa Guerena thought the gunman might be part of a home invasion -- especially because two members of her sister-in-law's family, Cynthia and Manny Orozco, were killed last year in their Tucson home, her lawyer, Chris Scileppi, said. She shouted for her husband in the next room, and he woke up and told his wife to hide in the closet with the child, Joel, 4.

Guerena grabbed his assault rifle and was pointing it at the SWAT team, which was trying to serve a narcotics search warrant as part of a multi-house drug crackdown, when the team broke down the door. At first the Pima County Sheriff's Office said that Guerena fired first, but on Wednesday officials backtracked and said he had not. "The safety was on and he could not fire," according to the sheriff's statement.

--SNIP--

http://abcnews.go.com/US/tucson-swat-team-defends-shooting-iraq-marine-veteran/story?id=13640112

More and video at link.

For those that don't remember the Pima County Sheriffs name is ....... Dupnik!  Yeah, that Dupnik!  Think the truth about this will ever come out?

BTW I read in another story on this that the raid was part of a multi-home operation.  NO ONE was arrested in ANY of the locations!
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: fightingquaker13 on May 21, 2011, 06:02:22 PM
Note to Pima County residents, shoot first, don't give a warning. The police sure as hell don't, and you may as well make it pricy for them.  >:(
FQ13
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: Ichiban on May 21, 2011, 06:06:48 PM
Isn't Pima county part of the state that wants to secede from Arizona?  It sound like a typical blue state mentality - "Don't question us, we are the authorities."
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: Hazcat on May 21, 2011, 07:02:52 PM
Here are more stories on this

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_54486592-8257-11e0-950b-001cc4c002e0.html

http://www.kold.com/story/14664249/copy-authorities-wont-release-info-on-tucson-shooting

Qfficial statement from Pima Sheriff http://www.kgun9.com/story/14670430/pima-co-sheriff-blasts-media-questions-about-swat-shooting
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: Solus on May 21, 2011, 08:57:24 PM
Another Drug War Success Story.
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: fightingquaker13 on May 21, 2011, 09:08:27 PM
Might be a good bill board to put up across the street from the SO. Him in his dress blues, "Another drug war sucess story. You must be Proud". A bit cold, but they deserveit for not letting the medics in.
FQ13
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: Rastus on May 22, 2011, 07:50:43 AM
Another Drug War Success Story.

Sure enough.

..............Guerena grabbed his assault rifle and was pointing it at the SWAT team, which was trying to serve a narcotics search warrant as part of a multi-house drug crackdown, when the team broke down the door. ....
...............Pima County Sheriffs name is ....... Dupnik!  Yeah, that Dupnik!  Think the truth about this will ever come out?
.....................

So did they try knocking on the door and announcing who they were first.....or just bust down the door and expect them to believe they were the police?  Dupnik....yeah, the name says it all....lying dog opportunist destroyer of free speech comes to mind.
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: philw on May 22, 2011, 08:54:28 AM
how can they defend this

I would like to know more about the incident,

so who would be investigating it,  the sheriff's department??
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: Ichiban on May 22, 2011, 10:50:34 AM
I'm sure that the sheriff will be able to somehow tie this to irresponsible right wing rhetoric.

I wonder if it was his call to deny medical attention (apparently none of the 60 rounds were immediately fatal) for over an hour.
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: Timothy on May 22, 2011, 11:40:43 AM
Simpleton
Warriors
And
Testosterone

Para-Military operations in our cities is getting out of hand and another reason I live in the sticks......
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: Hazcat on May 22, 2011, 11:41:04 AM
how can they defend this

I would like to know more about the incident,

so who would be investigating it,  the sheriff's department??


It SHOULD be the State Police, BUT I believe that must be requested by either the Sheriff or the AG.  At least that's how it works here in FL.
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: Hazcat on May 22, 2011, 11:50:05 AM
Simpleton
Warriors
And
Testosterone

Para-Military operations in our cities is getting out of hand and another reason I live in the sticks......

On one of those' reality' follow the cops around shows I remember seeing a swat guy say he was there because he really liked the 'adrenalin rush'!  That statement alone should keep him from being a cop let alone a swat team member!

I have long stated that SWAT teams do MUCH more harm than good and should be few and far between if any.  Heck it seems that every little podunk department has a 'swat' team.

These para-military cops kill more innocents and create more ill will with the public than anything else.  Not to mention the illegal, anti-constitutional actions they take.
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: Timothy on May 22, 2011, 12:19:25 PM
On one of those' reality' follow the cops around shows I remember seeing a swat guy say he was there because he really liked the 'adrenalin rush'!  That statement alone should keep him from being a cop let alone a swat team member!

I have long stated that SWAT teams do MUCH more harm than good and should be few and far between if any.  Heck it seems that every little podunk department has a 'swat' team.

These para-military cops kill more innocents and create more ill will with the public than anything else.  Not to mention the illegal, anti-constitutional actions they take.

Agreed....

We have one cop, forty hours a week that cost the town about 150K annually...it's all we need.
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: Solus on May 22, 2011, 01:40:26 PM
On one of those' reality' follow the cops around shows I remember seeing a swat guy say he was there because he really liked the 'adrenalin rush'!  That statement alone should keep him from being a cop let alone a swat team member!

I have long stated that SWAT teams do MUCH more harm than good and should be few and far between if any.  Heck it seems that every little podunk department has a 'swat' team.

These para-military cops kill more innocents and create more ill will with the public than anything else.  Not to mention the illegal, anti-constitutional actions they take.

You are only right, Haz.

I honestly am starting to think that a citizens vigilante group would handle issues like this with more forethought and less heavy handedness than we have seen in some of the incidents we have discussed here.

And they would be operating without the clout of their agency and the government to whitewash their mistakes.  They would answer to the folks next door and across the street.  Bad eggs would be known and never get on the team.
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: PegLeg45 on May 22, 2011, 01:45:56 PM
On one of those' reality' follow the cops around shows I remember seeing a swat guy say he was there because he really liked the 'adrenalin rush'!  That statement alone should keep him from being a cop let alone a swat team member!

I have long stated that SWAT teams do MUCH more harm than good and should be few and far between if any.  Heck it seems that every little podunk department has a 'swat' team.

These para-military cops kill more innocents and create more ill will with the public than anything else.  Not to mention the illegal, anti-constitutional actions they take.


TV shows like 'COPS' and that ilk have done as much to foul-up the mentality of young LEO's as anything else.........  IMHO.
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: Ichiban on May 22, 2011, 02:36:45 PM

TV shows like 'COPS' and that ilk have done as much to foul-up the mentality of young LEO's as anything else.........  IMHO.

You mean the movie S.W.A.T. wasn't a documentary?   :o
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: PegLeg45 on May 22, 2011, 02:39:37 PM
You mean the movie S.W.A.T. wasn't a documentary?   :o

Sounds like it could be, as of now.   ;)
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: Timothy on May 22, 2011, 05:57:59 PM
You mean the movie S.W.A.T. wasn't a documentary?   :o

Heck, it wasn't even a believable movie for goodness sake......
Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: alfsauve on May 23, 2011, 06:35:23 AM
Para-Military operations in our cities is getting out of hand and another reason I live in the sticks......

Ah well don't rest too easy there, Tim.   ATF has been known to range outside the city limits.   No reason the DEA couldn't as well.

Title: Re: Tucson SWAT Team Defends Shooting Iraq Vet 60 Times
Post by: Rastus on May 28, 2011, 10:57:48 AM
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I honestly am starting to think that a citizens vigilante group would handle issues like this with more forethought and less heavy handedness than we have seen in some of the incidents we have discussed here.
....................

Question.  When this country was being settled it was a) Law Enforcment or b) citizens that "pacified" the criminals in the land.

Focus in history is on a limited number of flamboyant bad guys who got caught up and brought to justice (one way or another).  Criminals like gangsters and famous western outlaws.  It would be simple minded to believe that those few examples were the extent of lawlessness.  Not to take away from the many others who were apprehended by the law unknown, but I suspect before 1900 that many more criminals lie in an unmarked grave put there by the citizen public protecting house, home and neighbor.