Marshall, you never seem..err..cease to amaze me! ;D Well done on this one. I'll be following it closely. Guess tomorrow is opening day, huh?
I know....and I agree.. He is like a magician in this area.. I think we can all agree that he gives his effort of 299% to Down Range. .. He is really amazing. :)
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 18, 2008, 11:11:10 AM
We are having a live blog now: http://www.downrange.tv/rkba/index.htm
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Post by: Hazcat on March 18, 2008, 11:12:57 AM
I know....and I agree.. He is like a magician in this area.. I think we can all agree that he gives his effort of 299% to Down Range. .. He is really amazing. :)
Now you two have gone and done it!(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sauer/angry-smiley-005.gif)
You'll have to get him a new (bigger) hat!(http://www.mazeguy.net/employed/cowboy.gif)
Good job, Marshal!! (http://www.mazeguy.net/happy/applause.gif)(http://www.mazeguy.net/happy/thumbsup.gif)
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Post by: Teresa Heilevang on March 18, 2008, 11:16:14 AM
The live blog is going to be fun and informative.. Come on in everyone and join in.
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Post by: Teresa Heilevang on March 18, 2008, 02:11:39 PM
I have posted this everywhere I can post it. ..and sent it to everyone I know.. Democrats & Republicans.. Copy and paste this into an e-mail and do the same..
Washington DC vs Heller..
The court is done and a verdict will be in June.
If we lose this decision, it is an unprecedented disaster...40 states have RKBA ( Right to keep and bear Arms) provisions, but the individual interpretation of the Second Amendment is the primary buttress that holds all the state constitutional guarantees upright... I hope we win this on all levels but especially on an individual rights basis...the question is, of course, the definition of "reasonable restriction..."
Please ... it is crucial to us as Americans to have ALL of our amendments intact as they were intended by our founding fathers. If you care about our 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms.... please take a minute to call this number.
Should the Supreme Court Uphold the DC Handgun Ban?
The # to call for NO is : 202-585-3886
I urge you to text all your phone and e-mail contacts with this number.
United We stand.. Divided We Fall (http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/usflag.gif)
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Outlaw on March 18, 2008, 02:31:39 PM
I'm not getting an answer. Is it a good number or is it just overwhelmed with calls? ???
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on March 18, 2008, 02:34:10 PM
I just ask the same thing on the live blog..
http://www.downrange.tv/rkba/index.htm
Haven't got any answer either. It either rings and rings and rings.. or it is busy..
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Post by: Outlaw on March 18, 2008, 03:01:54 PM
I hope it's just overwhelmed with people saying NO ;D
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Hazcat on March 18, 2008, 03:12:06 PM
Ya know what frosts my behind? The MSM is barely reporting this.
They are all over trying to figure out how much of a racist Obama is but actual news worthy information on one of our fundamental rights? NADA!
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on March 18, 2008, 03:35:08 PM
Marshal has been putting up the audio's as fast as he can.. and as fast as they come in.
The phone and e-mails are on fire. ( which is good.. ) Let the people be heard!
There is going to be lots more on this page... Bookmark it...Check it often.
http://www.downrange.tv/rkba/dc-v-heller.htm
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Post by: Teresa Heilevang on March 18, 2008, 04:28:12 PM
I just have to share this with you all... ;D We are like family here .. and ( in my opinion) this is just too funny to NOT tell you.
Okay.. as you can imagine.. It is just crazy here today! We are just like 2 crazy s**t house rats trying to gather all the corn that is falling from the sky. I know that Michael is feeling the same. We are working on stuff as fast as we can, to get it to you all here.. and it is just coming in like rockets.
And of course when the pace of things gets real fast and furious around here and nerves and energy levels are on tilt.. Marshal tends to drink tons of coffee that is so strong I could walk on the top of it... and he eats! he eats and he eats and he eats.. Nervous eating, I think it is called. (Now get a visual.....) He has his phone to his ear...He's pounding out stuff on his computer, he's checking e-mails.....has about 10 screens open on his computer that he is working on at once and between all of this... he keeps jumping up and runs around the corner to the kitchen and grabs cookies, nuts, cinnamon rolls..whatever...
And the computers are getting slower and slower and Marshal just whirled around in his chair and said in a very very concerned tone.... " I am so worried about the server holding up. The traffic to this site is HUGE and it is getting more and more hits and people on it by the minute. It is just getting slower and slower.. and I can't do anything about it!!"..
He hasn't shaved today .. his eyes were like a crazed hoot owl..and he had a huge glass jar that I keep full of mixed nuts in his lap with half of them gone!! Except for the nut crumbs on his chin and all over the front of him.
Good Lord... ::) ::)
I calmly looked him over from the top to the bottom and told him " I'm not nearly as worried about the server as I am about your poor office chair you're setting in. If you keep slamming food in your face, I don't know how long it will hold your weight "..
Had to tattle... (http://www.cascity.com/howard/animations/183.gif)
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: addict on March 18, 2008, 05:30:22 PM
You go Marshall! I have been swilling the second pot of coffee listening to the audio ya'll have graciously posted along with 2 Pilsbury cinnamon rolls.( I had to have 2 in support of the second amendment honey..... ;D) Addict
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Hazcat on March 18, 2008, 09:33:41 PM
Here's a quote we need to remember when we talk about what is 'arms' and who gets to keep them and whether we (Citizens) should have the EXACT same arms as the miltary.
Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788: " Every terrible instrument of the soldier is the birthright of an American. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but where I trust it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." - Tench Coxe, Continental Congress
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 18, 2008, 09:39:59 PM
Here are the comments made outside the supreme court right after the oral arguments.
These are comments from both sides of the case:
http://www.downrange.tv/rkba/dc-v-heller2.htm
We are still struggling with slow server because the heavy traffic, but hope to have this resolved asap.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Hazcat on March 18, 2008, 09:46:48 PM
Marshal,
Give them some of that strong black coffee of yours! ;)
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: BigSaucy on March 18, 2008, 09:59:44 PM
I have to say that your coverage has been truly superb. It really makes me proud to be a member of this forum. Thanks for this tremendous service.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 18, 2008, 11:50:19 PM
Tomorrow (03/18/09) on CSPAN:
8:30-9:30 Eastern PAUL HELMKE (HELM-key) r/t Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence President
www.bradycampaign.org
STEPHEN HALBROOK (HALL-brook) National Rifle Association Board Member www.nra.org
Topic: The Supreme Court heard argument Tuesday on the Second Amendment issue of the right to bear arms. Our guests today will discuss the debate for and against the DC handgun ban and analyze whether the Court is likely to overturn the law.
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Post by: Dakotaranger on March 18, 2008, 11:58:47 PM
You guys did a great job covering this Thanks for the hard work you guys did to get it on the web.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: m25operator on March 19, 2008, 12:04:31 AM
I have not heard all the oratory yet. But this reasonable restriction thing is really bugging me.. You guys and gals, the 3 M's are doing a GREAT JOB! Definitely top drawer. Where else would we hear what is happening, NOW!!!!! I think reasonable restriction can be taken too far, and would be taken too far. The individual right seems to be coming along OK, but if it allows the states or local governments to restrict us, what have We gained? Just they can't take all our guns away... Interesting times. I look forward to any comments. I'm not disheartened, just not happy, yet. This is the most important thing that has happened in the shooting world in history. By shooting world I do mean shooters, We are a world unto our selves, shooting is a way of life, it infuses us. I love and live to shoot, competition, hunting, range time to figure out new handloads to make my gun more accurate, more reliable etc.... Everything about our craft enthuses me. Gunsmithing is one of my hobbies and skills, I don't take likely. Delivering a rifle or pistol that is better than it was before it was given to me is very satisfying..... We cannot predict what the SCOTUS will do, things do look better, but not what we hoped as I see it. I do have my chin up...
May we not live in interesting times.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 19, 2008, 12:39:35 AM
Supreme Court Hears “The Threshold Question” By Jim Shepherd http://www.downrange.tv/artman2/publish/shepherd/146.shtml
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Lucas on March 19, 2008, 01:12:15 AM
I have to agree operator. What was really accomplished, I would think someone would have stated how ridiculous the whole thing is. Is it so hard to stand up and say this is a RIGHT NOT TO BE INFRINGED. I understand that this is a delicate matter, but I am a simple man. Throughout time governments have taken away the right of the people to defends themselves, isnt this why we came to America? Isnt this why they put it 2nd on the list. It seems to me that if the men who wrote the Consitution were here today they would be kicking someones *ss
I dont mean to be negative, I listened to the discussion and it seemed like we came out on top, and I am deffinatly not complaining about that.
Thank you team M3, outstanding job today and every other day!!!
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 19, 2008, 03:13:44 AM
Here's a quote we need to remember when we talk about what is 'arms' and who gets to keep them and whether we (Citizens) should have the EXACT same arms as the miltary.
Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788: " Every terrible instrument of the soldier is the birthright of an American. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but where I trust it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." - Tench Coxe, Continental Congress
You wont hear that on the MSM.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 19, 2008, 03:20:20 AM
I have to agree operator. What was really accomplished, I would think someone would have stated how ridiculous the whole thing is. Is it so hard to stand up and say this is a RIGHT NOT TO BE INFRINGED. I understand that this is a delicate matter, but I am a simple man. Throughout time governments have taken away the right of the people to defends themselves, isnt this why we came to America? Isnt this why they put it 2nd on the list. It seems to me that if the men who wrote the Consitution were here today they would be kicking someones *ss
I dont mean to be negative, I listened to the discussion and it seemed like we came out on top, and I am deffinatly not complaining about that.
Thank you team M3, outstanding job today and every other day!!!
I won't have time to listen till the weekend, will it be archived ? I want to add my agreement to everything Lucas said, especially his thanks to "Team M-3" for their extra effort to keep us HONESTLY informed.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Outlaw on March 19, 2008, 09:33:24 AM
DR Columnists : Jim Shepherd Last Updated: Mar 19, 2008 - 12:38:31 AM
Supreme Court Hears “The Threshold Question” By Jim Shepherd Mar 19, 2008 - 12:33:06 AM
I didn't want to copy the whole article. Just thought this part was perfectly timed..
That fact wasn’t lost on Dick Heller, the named defendant in the case.
Speaking with him on the Supreme Court steps after the arguments -and his long question-and-answer period with the media, I asked him how he felt about “his” lawsuit.
“It’s a simple case to me,” Heller said, “It is wrong for the government to tell me that it is OK for me to have a gun during my work hours, but illegal for me to have a gun when the only thing I want to protect is me.”
At that point, a reporter interjected: “the Mayor (DC Mayor Adrian M. Fenty) says the handgun ban and his initiatives have significantly lowered violent crime in the District. How do you answer that, Mr. Heller?”
The initial answer certainly wasn’t expected – Dick Heller laughed. Ruefully.
Pointing at the Mayor who was making his way across the plaza, surrounded by at least six DC police officers, Heller said, “the Mayor doesn’t know what he’s talking about.”
“He doesn’t walk on the street like an average citizen. Look at him; he travels with an army of police officers as bodyguards – to keep him safe. But he says that I don’t have the right to be a force of one to protect myself. Does he look like he thinks the streets are safe?”
There was no follow-up question.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on March 19, 2008, 10:15:59 AM
Yep.. It will be archived...and in there until all the Liberals are carrying. :D ( So THAT means it will be in there forever) LOL Marshal and I was up until almost 4 this morning. He worked on adding new content. I went over everything..we listened to everything, plus went on the NRA site and listened to Jim Shepard and a few of the people who were in the court room give their opinions of the days events. Wish we could take certain things off the NRA site and use them.. but there isn't a way to do it... Pity, cause some of the content is just phenomenal. The server is S-L-O-W today, because there are so many listening and using the site.... so we ask that you be patient and Marshal will see what he can do about it. :)
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Outlaw on March 19, 2008, 11:00:29 AM
Marshal'ette, Welcome back to the land of the living
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: tombogan03884 on March 19, 2008, 11:11:31 AM
;D perfect answer !
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Post by: CurrieS103 on March 19, 2008, 11:26:43 AM
The D.C. Mayor reminds me of what Orwell wrote in his book Animal Farm; "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others". I wonder if he has ever read it?
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 19, 2008, 11:49:12 AM
On CSPAN this am: Paul Helmke and Stephen Halbrook debated yesterday’s Supreme Court oral arguments in the case of District of Columbia v. Heller. The case involved a District of Columbia law banning all handguns and the Second Amendment right to bear arms. They responded to telephone calls and electronic mail.
(http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/cache/images/203469-4_200x136.jpg) WATCH THE VIDEO HERE (http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=203469-4&showVid=true)
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Post by: Teresa Heilevang on March 19, 2008, 12:07:07 PM
They DIDN'T respond to telephone calls. I had about 60 some e-mails this morning telling me that they were trying to get something other than constant ringing or a busy signal to the number. Wonder what the deal was with that? I tried about 10 times and got the same. Did hear a few clicking noises on time.. but have no idea what it was. ( Probably my name came up flashing on the "watch" line and it was added to my folder that I am sure is tucked away) 8)
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Post by: a1abob on March 19, 2008, 01:31:19 PM
I've only had the chance to listen to the interview with James Shepherd, if it was an example of what's to come I can't wait for everyone to go to sleep so I ahve some time to listen. GREAT JOB!!! THANKS
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: kmitch200 on March 19, 2008, 06:11:45 PM
You guys all did a great job covering this. Thank you!
I just wish I felt better about the outcome. When Mr. Gura says that the government has every right to ban arms that are not appropriate for civilian use and 'reasonable restrictions' are OK...well, we could be screwed.
The government - be it city, county, state or federal - could say reasonable is a $1000 a month permit for each gun owned. Once you pass the reasonable tests of background, need, psych, etc. of course.
My prediction for June ruling: 1. The 2nd is recognized as an individual right but the status quo doesn't change one bit because of "resonable" restrictions. 2. States with FOID to buy/possess even a bullet stay the same. 3. DC rewrites their ban but the hoops to jump through are too arduous for anyone to follow.
I hope I'm wrong and SCOTUS actually follows the Constitution and not political claptrap but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by: DDMac on March 19, 2008, 07:19:50 PM
I predict a SEVERE upward spike in homicides in the District of Columbia, overwhelmingly justifiable/excusable, followed by the ripple-in-the-pond increase in neighboring states as bad guys search for easier prey. The mainstream media will be horrified! "Normal" human condition in DC will probably take about three years, after which all their citizens will finally rejoin the rest of the nation in the free exercise of Constitutional Rights.
I know many here disagree with me, but, with the exception of the misdemeanor domestic violence disability, I fully support of the regulatory laws that make firearm and ammo possession illegal for the people described on the ATF yellow sheet (ATF F 4473), Felons, illegals, druggies, traitors, fugitives, kids, all those. Thats just me. Hate a well armed felon. Not promoting the agency, just the limits. I believe in preemption, in force.
Mac.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Hazcat on March 19, 2008, 07:35:05 PM
Mac,
I do and don't agree with some of the 'not allowed'.
Part of me says if you have done your time then you should be allowed fully back into society. The problem is I believe that our sentencing is WAAAAAAY too light and our parole boards are made up of feel good nannies.
Course I also feel that the war on some dugs is a complete waste.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Overload on March 19, 2008, 08:09:18 PM
I'm listening to the Arguements. Was there a reading list posted beforehand?
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 19, 2008, 08:13:37 PM
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Overload on March 19, 2008, 08:58:59 PM
I mean a list of all the sources that are mentioned. Like the Bill of rights of 1689. Do all the Justices and lawyers just know all this off the top of their head, or were they tipped off that certain things would be discussed.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Hazcat on March 19, 2008, 09:04:15 PM
I mean a list of all the sources that are mentioned. Like the Bill of rights of 1689. Do all the Justices and lawyers just know all this off the top of their head, or were they tipped off that certain things would be discussed.
Not trying to be a smart a$$ (for once), but they do the research. Think of this as writing your Doctorate Thesis and multiply by 1000.
Going before the SCOTUS is the BIG TIME!
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 19, 2008, 09:12:33 PM
We have added another commentary. This time, Michael talks to David T. Hardy (In Search of the Second Amendment) and law professor Joe Olson:
http://www.downrange.tv/rkba/dc-v-heller2.htm
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 19, 2008, 09:39:50 PM
From CBS yesterday morning... including Dick Heller
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 19, 2008, 09:56:24 PM
From Fox News:
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Hazcat on March 19, 2008, 10:05:43 PM
KEEP and bear arms CBS, KEEP, a very important word.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 19, 2008, 10:11:21 PM
And this is from NBC
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Hazcat on March 19, 2008, 10:26:15 PM
The NBC report is from the earlier appellate court decision.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 19, 2008, 11:43:56 PM
Haz,
You're right. Wrong clip. It is replaced with the right one. And here is another one from NBC:
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 20, 2008, 01:06:17 AM
Heller/24 Words of Warning By Jim Shepherd Mar 20, 2008 - 12:55:01 AM
Having been in Washington, D.C. for 72 hours and having become involved in the hoopla that is a major news event, a few personal observations seem to be appropriate. Read the article.... (http://www.downrange.tv/artman2/publish/shepherd/147.shtml)
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Hazcat on March 20, 2008, 07:17:47 AM
Shep's article today somes up my feeling quite well. Gura could and should have taken a tougher stance. I think that maybe his ego got in the way and Levy should have presented the case.
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Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 20, 2008, 10:55:24 AM
And here's from last night's Glenn Beck with guest Wayne LaPierre:
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Post by: Hazcat on March 20, 2008, 11:04:36 AM
I know some people have a bit of a problem with Wayne but ya know what? The man does not BS. He puts it out there in real clear terms!
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on March 20, 2008, 12:16:29 PM
I got a huge hug from him ... BUT.. King Michael and King Marshal got invitations...to .. " Call me , when you guys are in Washington and we'll go out and do something"
There I was............with only a hug .. :-\
((Actually I WAS invited to come along.. but I don't want to stop my whining about being in 3rd place yet)) ;D
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: DDMac on March 20, 2008, 01:29:45 PM
Stop whining! You have Brownings. Life's good enough if you have Brownings, don't you think? BTW, what'cha got? Mac.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on March 21, 2008, 02:13:59 AM
I have a Browning 500G Shotgun, 12 gauge that I use for my bird hunting and sporting clays. It is the smoothest shooting shotgun I have ever had. The gas-operated part takes the kick out ..and I can shoot all day long with it and never have a sore shoulder.
My Browning A-5 12 ga. like to tore my shoulder off after a heavy bird hunt or clays.. so that is when I got the 500 G. They don't make them anymore. I think they only made them for about 3 years. quit around 1993 I think. I don't know why either.. cause they are awesome if you are going to shoot a lot. We bought my youngest son one for his 16th birthday, and he is 28 now and still it is his favorite for in the field. I had some cycling problems with mine..we sent it in..they worked on it and I haven't had problems since.
I also have a Browning A-5 Shotgun, 20 gauge.. but I haven't shot it in a long time. We started the kids out with that one.
I also have my deer rifle... which is a 243. I also shoot a 270. Both of course are bolt actions.
My squirrel rifle is a Browning 22 semi-auto. I have shot thousands of rounds through that and put many a squirrel and rabbit on the supper table with it. I surprised Marshal with one 3 years ago right after we were married and he loves his . They are just so sweet to shoot.
Like I say, I like all my guns... but I love my Brownings..
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: DDMac on March 21, 2008, 05:48:22 AM
See? Now, don't you feel better? I have the little .22 take down rifle too, along with a Nomad .22 and a HiPower, all bought new at the Navy Exchange in the 60s-70s. Although technology has changed (not necessarily improved), I own none better. Thanks, Mac. ps. Yours are lucky kids.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: CurrieS103 on March 21, 2008, 08:53:04 AM
Great Glenn Beck clip. Despite all the good words from Glenn and Wayne the CNN producers managed to show only video of "Nasty Black Guns" and not beautiful pieces of art from Browning, Weatherby and classic revolvers etc. I really hate the news media’s subliminal crap!
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on March 21, 2008, 11:49:58 AM
Oh Lord~~ The engraving on that barrel is purty! Man oh man oh man... Nice...(http://www.cascity.com/howard/animations/117.gif)
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Hazcat on March 21, 2008, 12:06:49 PM
Yeah, I don't usually like engraving but I gotta admit she's a beauty!
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 21, 2008, 02:39:03 PM
Another audio commentary, this time Michael talks with Larry Keene from the National Shooting Sports Foundation.
http://www.downrange.tv/rkba/dc-v-heller2.htm
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 21, 2008, 04:17:12 PM
From Bloomberg TV:
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 21, 2008, 05:15:50 PM
Major Impact
Article written by Tom Gresham, gun writer, host of Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk radio and several television programs about shooting and firearms.
Certain events impact our lives in clear and immediate ways, changing things -- if not forever -- certainly for many years. The Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor and the attack upon the U.S. on September 11, 2001 come to mind. Read the entire article here.. (http://www.shootingwire.com/shooting_wire.html?date=2008-03-21)
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 22, 2008, 05:53:07 PM
DC gun ban case: plaintiff's attorney on the Supreme Court oral arguments 4:37 PM ET
Alan Gura [attorney, Gura & Possessky, PLLC, lead counsel for plaintiffs in Parker v. District of Columbia, on appeal as District of Columbia v. Heller]: "As advocates, our role is to respond to the actual questions posed by the Justices, in a direct and honest manner, which would hopefully make the Court more comfortable with our respective positions. That's it.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: DDMac on March 23, 2008, 06:27:06 AM
He is undeniably dedicated to his client, and more so to his principles. Sometimes a tightly controlled and directed blast will be more successful than a really big boom. Lifetime exemption from lawyer jokes. Gonna tell'em (jokes), just not including Mr. Gura and others on my really short list.Mac.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Hazcat on March 23, 2008, 08:51:16 AM
Mr. Gura has it right. While many of us (me included) thought that he didn't go far enough and could have stated a few more stats on our side, his reasoned argument for not doing so is persuasive.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: CurrieS103 on March 23, 2008, 08:54:50 AM
This was his first time before the supreme court wasn't it? He did great. The 80 briefs the Justices received had all the stats they needed. Good move on his part. No need to repeat what was sitting right in front of them.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 24, 2008, 02:00:06 PM
With the Supreme Court Poised to Redefine the Right to Bear Arms, Far-Reaching Questions Loom By MICHAEL C. DORF http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20080324.html
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Hazcat on March 24, 2008, 03:38:58 PM
He does bring up some good points on how the decision could be made and what the outcome could affect.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: DDMac on March 24, 2008, 04:30:26 PM
Had to knock the dust off the Black's Law Dictionary to get through that one. Sounded like "individual right probably affirmed, the rest is a can of worms until the ruling". Did I get that right? Mac.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Hazcat on March 24, 2008, 04:32:34 PM
Had to knock the dust off the Black's Law Dictionary to get through that one. Sounded like "individual right probably affirmed, the rest is a can of worms until the ruling". Did I get that right? Mac.
I'd say that was a fair condensation of the article.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 24, 2008, 07:56:01 PM
Alan Gura discusses the Supreme Court's D.C. v. Heller case with conservative blogger Rob Bluey of the Heritage Foundation. The interview took place March 21, three days after Gura argued on behalf of Dick Heller and other gun owners at the Supreme Court.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on March 27, 2008, 04:11:32 PM
Guns, God and Gays By Chuck Norris http://media.townhall.com/Townhall//colPics/columnistsChuckNorris.gif (http://media.townhall.com/Townhall//colPics/columnistsChuckNorris.gif)
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on April 02, 2008, 02:14:26 PM
Middle Ground: The Supreme Court's Opportunity in DC v. Heller By Allen Rostron of the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Law - former senior staff attorney for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. In a few months, the U.S. Supreme Court will issue the most important decision it has ever made about the Second Amendment. Who will win? If the Court wisely heads for the sensible middle ground, everybody will win. http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2008/04/middle-ground-supreme-courts.php
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: DDMac on April 02, 2008, 03:51:58 PM
The flood of speculation continues, with no shortage of misstatements and false humility. DC absolutely did argue the Collective Right position until the clearly evident predisposition by the Justices revealed the folly of pursuing that oral argument. Now, it is with a spirit of conciliation that they continue to champion their "reasonable regulation" fall back position. To whom do they offer this olive branch?
Are they hoping that the Justices still seek to connect and absorb from the parties in the suit? I pray not, but rather they are relying on their God given (dare I say that?) empathy with the actual human composition of our nation. No lawyers, no professors, no media screaming eagles, just "We, The People" at large. There is where the consent and consensus of the governed is to be found.
The Supreme Court has it easily and comfortably within their domain to do as most judicial bodies do as a matter of precedent. Dissect the particulars, find equity in both arguments, praise both parties for persevering with the resolution of a long simmering dispute, then meticulously award each party an equal portion of the contested prize. This is Mr. Roston's recommendation. But what an historic opportunity lost if that was the eventual outcome. The issues will never be clearer. The Founding Father's clarity of mind and purpose will be no more discernible than today.
If speculation is the game, I have no credentials to play. If hope for the future seen by our Forefathers is the issue, I would argue that the time is now, as never before or after, for an all or nothing, pro-Liberty ruling, setting the stage for the next hundred years of freedom in our land. May Mr. Roster find use for his olive branch to roast marshmallows over the piles of burning, unconstitutional, ineffective and oppressive regulations.
Mac.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Hazcat on April 02, 2008, 03:56:36 PM
WOW!
Mac,
All kidding aside. That was one of the most erudite. succinct and well reasoned posts I have ever read!
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: DDMac on April 02, 2008, 06:32:56 PM
The guy pissed me off. Thanks, I consider that high praise. Mac.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: tombogan03884 on April 03, 2008, 02:05:04 AM
You said it all Mac, and said it well.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on April 03, 2008, 12:02:49 PM
Another article from the other side of the fence: http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/358/14/1421
You can check latest articles on the RKBA feed section: http://www.downrange.tv/rkba/index.htm
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on April 03, 2008, 09:22:27 PM
Supreme Court Confronts ‘Right to Bear Arms’ in Case By Stephen P. Halbrook
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/21354/26
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on May 20, 2008, 10:34:52 PM
A sickening scene of a bunch of low-class rednecks trying to hold on to their guns and religion.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Hazcat on May 20, 2008, 10:52:27 PM
I would give anything to be even considered worthy of serving water to such an august gathering!
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on May 21, 2008, 12:24:15 AM
isn't that the truth!
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: jpr9954 on May 29, 2008, 11:34:38 AM
The local lefty free paper just ran an interview wth Bob Levy. Turns out he spends part of the year in Asheville, NC - kind of the Berkeley, Boulder, or Key West of the mountains of North Carolina.
Excuse my ignorance, this should be burned into my brain by now! When is the verdict supposed to come out?
By the end of this month
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: From the Mailbox on June 10, 2008, 09:48:14 AM
Date: 6/10/2008 1:59:06 AM To: office@downrange.tv Subject: To: Michael Bane Re: Interview with Alan Gura
Mr. Bane,
RE: http://www.downrange.tv/rkba/index.htm
After listening to the Interview with Alan Gura regarding the forthcoming SCOTUS ruling in the 2nd Amendment case of Heller v DC, I was concerned over the simplistic portrayal and avoidance of the central civil rights question at issue.
The core concern over the pending Supreme Court recognition of an individual right under the 2nd Amendment is the level of judicial scrutiny any government restriction on the right must meet. If the Strict Scrutiny standard of the DC Appeals court is upheld, only those restrictions on the right that can be shown to meet a compelling government interest would meet constitutional muster. Strict scrutiny then would give the Right to Bear Arms the same degree of constitutional protection and citizen redress conferred on 1st Amendment rights.
I am convinced, if SCOTUS recognizes an individual right under the 2nd Amendment, subject to some lesser standard of "reasonable regulation," it would be worst possible outcome. For all practical purposes such a ruling, would mean any law, short of regulatory oblivion or an outright ban on the ownership, possession and use of firearms, would be constitutional. The citizenry would be appeased and 2nd Amendment rendered meaningless.
RM
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: ericire12 on June 10, 2008, 09:51:03 AM
It shouldn't even come down to this...... it is getting to the point where we are living under a judicial dictatorship.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on June 10, 2008, 10:39:27 AM
Bearing arms: whose right is it anyway? WATCH VIDEO: http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/washington/news.aspx?id=93477
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: tenringx on June 10, 2008, 09:47:26 PM
When you take away the right to bear arms from the citizens, you might as well put the citizen in front of a Firing Squad. There is no differance, his hands are tied. >:( :'(
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on June 10, 2008, 09:56:46 PM
How right you are ....................... >:(
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Teresa Heilevang on June 12, 2008, 01:08:50 PM
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: 1776 Rebel on June 19, 2008, 08:56:30 AM
More SCOTUS opinions coming down at 10am Eastern this morning. To follow the announcements you can check out this blog...
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/
I believe they are recessing for the summer on Monday (6/23) so this is it for the spring term.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: WymoreWrangler on June 19, 2008, 09:18:33 AM
they didn't rule today...
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: 1776 Rebel on June 19, 2008, 09:20:29 AM
Well no luck today!!! Apparently 10 opinions are still outstanding. Heller being one of them. I asked on the SCOTUS Blog when we might next see an opinion coming down....
"Tom Goldstein - The next opinion day is Monday. There will certainly be one or possibly two additional opinion days next week. Wednesday and Thursday are most likely." ... so my earlier post stands corrected.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: 1776 Rebel on June 25, 2008, 09:23:22 AM
Damm, its Wednesday and no Heller decision. I don't know about you but this is getting to me. I WANT MY HELLER NOW !!!
Chief Justice Roberts announced that all remaining decisions (that means Heller !!!) are coming down tomorrow/Thursday/June 26.
This is gonna be like the OJ decision. I remember the local lunch bar filled to the gunwales watching the TV.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on June 25, 2008, 09:29:11 AM
The Chief Justice has just announced from the courtroom that the Court will issue all of its remaining opinions on Thursday 26th at 10 a.m. Eastern.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Neon Knight Anubis on June 25, 2008, 09:37:13 AM
They're really making this a last minute thing, but at least we know now when the decision will be revealed. Thanks Marshal.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: shooter32 on June 25, 2008, 09:38:33 AM
Thanks for the update Marshal !! We all are ready.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: CurrieS103 on June 25, 2008, 10:00:00 AM
Thanks Marshal...This is history in the making.
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: TAB on June 25, 2008, 10:12:12 AM
I'm actually shocked they did not wait until next session.
I'm sure this was not a easy one to write. Chance are pretty high that they will make an extremely narrow ruling...
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: DDMac on June 25, 2008, 12:30:18 PM
They want a running start! Mac
Title: Re: D.C. v Heller Coverage
Post by: Marshal Halloway on June 25, 2008, 03:47:42 PM
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