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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: billt on July 05, 2011, 03:41:22 PM
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Unbelievable. I thought they couldn't find a worse jury since O.J. I was wrong. This is simply unbelievable. I hope that bitch gets some good solid street justice, or else dies in prison. Bill T.
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Not guilty on the 3 major charges and guilty on the 4 misdemeanors of lying to the police. Could get up to 4 years each, unless the judge has a hard on for some reason, she will get time served.
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You're wrong BillT. Just like OJ, It ain't the jury, it was the DA's. They promised an open and shut case with all sorts of evidence. At the end of the day, they couldn't even prove cause of death. Yes she was guilty. No, they couldn't prove it, and the jury did the right thing. You don't convict someone of a capital crime unless the state has its ducks in a row. They didn't. Thing is, she won't kill anyone else. If the prosecuters had convicted her and sent her to death row on sloppy evidence? They'd do the same damn thing tommorow. Sorry, but I am a lot more afraid of an overzealous prosecuter than a murdering mother. She'll answer to God. The DAs got a useful wakeup call. Just sayin'.
FQ13
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I watched a bunch of this trial because I get home early these days. No way the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
Justice, or the presumption of innocence, worked...they probably will never know but she can have a press conference on Thursday and admit to all of it without consequences....
So could OJ...
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There is NO justice in this world. >:( >:(
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After following a good bit of that madness called a 'murder trial' I find, (gulp, I can't believe this) I pretty much have to agree with FQ on this one. The prosecuting team fell short of the mark here and the defense introduced just enough doubt. One of the hardest things for a jury to do is judge based on evidence and not emotion. I am glad I wasn't in their shoes.
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What little I saw of it, there was no "smoking gun", nothing to tie her to the death. Just a bunch of very damaged people behaving oddly. The DA was just speculating at how the little girl died as they could not tell for sure. While I believe she was probably involved in her daughters death there just wasn't any conclusive evidence.
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You're wrong BillT. Just like OJ, It ain't the jury, it was the DA's. They promised an open and shut case with all sorts of evidence. At the end of the day, they couldn't even prove cause of death. Yes she was guilty. No, they couldn't prove it, and the jury did the right thing. FQ13
Bull$h!t. I don't buy any of it. How much "proof" do you need? The bitch drove around with with her daughters rotting corpse in her trunk until it stunk so bad her own mother called the police. Who the hell does 540 searches for Chloroform on their computer? Her mother was proven to be a liar, and did not do the searches. Look at this bitches behaviour. She's out partying and screwing 3 days after her daughters death? This broad was as guilty as the day is long. The jury was TOO STUIPID TO SEE IT!
Look at her parents. Even they said she was guilty. Notice how they stormed out of the courtroom as soon as the verdict was read? Where was their jubilation now that their "innocent" daughter was freed after 3 years of wrongful captivity? Even they hate her. Where where the hugs? The family love? The whole bunch are nuts and guilty.
There was nothing "wrong" with the prosecution. This is what happens when you fill a jury box full of idiots who can't see straight. Nothing more. Nothing less. Bill T.
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Bull$h!t. I don't buy any of it. How much "proof" do you need? The bitch drove around with with her daughters rotting corpse in her trunk until it stunk so bad her own mother called the police. Who the hell does 540 searches for Chloroform on their computer? Her mother was proven to be a liar, and did not do the searches. Look at this bitches behaviour. She's out partying and screwing 3 days after her daughters death? This broad was as guilty as the day is long. The jury was TOO STUIPID TO SEE IT!
Look at her parents. Even they said she was guilty. Notice how they stormed out of the courtroom as soon as the verdict was read? Where was their jubilation now that their "innocent" daughter was freed after 3 years of wrongful captivity? Even they hate her. Where where the hugs? The family love? The whole bunch are nuts and guilty.
There was nothing "wrong" with the prosecution. This is what happens when you fill a jury box full of idiots who can't see straight. Nothing more. Nothing less. Bill T.
But, that doesn't prove she murdered the child. It points out that she probably or most likely did. Heck, her own crazy-assed mother could have done it.
I agree that she was most likely culpable in the child's death, be it murder or accidental, and won't try to give argument about that point........ but circumstantial evidence won't get the job done.
** As a side note: I think she is mentally unstable, much like those two brothers in Texas a few weeks ago that were living with their mother. The old woman fell in the living room and could not get up. They stepped over her and ignored her until she starved to death. Then they continued to step over and ignore the body until neighbors called police about the smell. This woman stuck me as having that same mentality. JMHO.
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circumstantial evidence won't get the job done.
It did with Scott Peterson. And he was nowhere near as guilty as this bitch, nor did they have the evidence. His big mistake was putting himself at the crime scene. Casey Anthony DROVE THE CRIME SCENE. Her behaviour was worse than Peterson's. He was found guilty, and got the death penalty. She walks? Give me a break. Bill T.
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It did with Scott Peterson. And he was nowhere near as guilty as this bitch, nor did they have the evidence. His big mistake was putting himself at the crime scene. Casey Anthony DROVE THE CRIME SCENE. Her behaviour was worse than Peterson's. He was found guilty, and got the death penalty. She walks? Give me a break. Bill T.
As guilty?
Either you are or you are not.
They were not trying her based on her behavior. They were trying her on the evidence, and apparently were not convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt.
You can't compare the two different juries. Just because one made the only choice they could make given the evidence doesn't mean the other jury was right or wrong. When it comes to juries, it is the luck of the draw.
I'm not defending her....and I respect your view, and like I said before, I agree that she is likely guilty....but I can't condemn the jury for 'making a bad decision' because I wasn't privy to all the info they got.
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A jury of her peers Billt, get over it.
As with OJ, the only opinion that matters is the juries.
No one gives a crap what you or any one else thinks.
Just like FQ and his opinion on abortion, he ain't going to get pregnant so his opinion is meaningless.
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A jury of her peers Billt, get over it.
As with OJ, the only opinion that matters is the juries.
No one gives a crap what you or any one else thinks.
Just like FQ and his opinion on abortion, he ain't going to get pregnant so his opinion is meaningless.
Not had your coffee yet? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Just stating the facts Peg.
Am I wrong ?
Had the coffee before 7AM. ;D
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Just stating the facts Peg.
Just the facts and nothing but the facts.
Am I wrong ?
No.
Had the coffee before 7AM. ;D
Yer a quart low, then.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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I only need the real thing to get the brain started in the AM.
After that it's decaf. ;D
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Just stating the facts Peg.
Facts?....So let me get this straight..... The "real killer" killed her daughter, stole her car keys, placed the dead corpse of the child in the trunk. Casey Anthony then drove around with it in there for days in the Florida heat and humidity, totally unknowingly, not missing her kid in the least, and reporting it to no one. Oh yeah, I forgot....The "nanny" who never existed. Then, even when it started to stink to high heaven, she never noticed it while she was partying and screwing days after the child was missing.
Then, finally, her mother finally notices the stench, calls the police to tell them there is the smell of a dead body in the trunk of her daughters car. All the while Casey Anthony was totally unaware of anything.
Then, after all this they all march into court where they come up with this total cock and bull story of how the kid died in the pool. After, mind you, the mother calls police and tells them she hasn't seen her grand daughter in WEEKS after calling their attention to the rotting corpse smell in the car, 3 years before they come up with the dead kid in the pool story. And of course, the duct tape on the kids mouth just magically attached itself to the kids mouth....AFTER they, (or someone), threw the poor kids body into the weeds. Yeah, right. Beyond a "reasonable doubt"? How about a brain dead jury. Bill T.
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It's a done deal but from my point of view the defense team dodged a bullet. The lead lawyer was borderline incompetent. It's a miracle they acquitted her. He must have asked for a mistrial ten times over the last few weeks. Imagine if he'd been granted that? They'd have to start all over again...
Luck bastard for sure...
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Bill, they found her not guilty and that has nothing to do with her innocence....get over it man, it's not worth blowing an artery over...
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Bill, they found her not guilty and that has nothing to do with her innocence....get over it man, it's not worth blowing an artery over...
Ding Ding Ding.
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Facts?....So let me get this straight..... The "real killer" killed her daughter, stole her car keys, placed the dead corpse of the child in the trunk. Casey Anthony then drove around with it in there for days in the Florida heat and humidity, totally unknowingly, not missing her kid in the least, and reporting it to no one. Oh yeah, I forgot....The "nanny" who never existed. Then, even when it started to stink to high heaven, she never noticed it while she was partying and screwing days after the child was missing.
Then, finally, her mother finally notices the stench, calls the police to tell them there is the smell of a dead body in the trunk of her daughters car. All the while Casey Anthony was totally unaware of anything.
Then, after all this they all march into court where they come up with this total cock and bull story of how the kid died in the pool. After, mind you, the mother calls police and tells them she hasn't seen her grand daughter in WEEKS after calling their attention to the rotting corpse smell in the car, 3 years before they come up with the dead kid in the pool story. And of course, the duct tape on the kids mouth just magically attached itself to the kids mouth....AFTER they, (or someone), threw the poor kids body into the weeds. Yeah, right. Beyond a "reasonable doubt"? How about a brain dead jury. Bill T.
I don't know, and since I wasn't on the jury, I don't give a sh!t.
If you took your meds, you wouldn't either.
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Bill:
Casey Anthony will be punished. She'll never again be able to walk in public without fear....without enduring the looks of people who firmly believe she offed her kid, etc. Should she ever have another child, CPS will be up her ass clear to their shoulder blades until that child is grown and gone.
And finally, when the time comes that she shuffles off this mortal coil, she'll face the same Judge we must ALL face. If she actually did that of which she was accused, she'll be punished.
Do we get the satisfaction of seeing her pay now? No. Sometimes it happens that way. Take a deep breath and move on.
TT
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As guilty?
Either you are or you are not.
They were not trying her based on her behavior. They were trying her on the evidence, and apparently were not convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt.
You can't compare the two different juries. Just because one made the only choice they could make given the evidence doesn't mean the other jury was right or wrong. When it comes to juries, it is the luck of the draw.
I'm not defending her....and I respect your view, and like I said before, I agree that she is likely guilty....but I can't condemn the jury for 'making a bad decision' because I wasn't privy to all the info they got.
The legal system doesn't require proof "beyond a shadow of a doubt", simply beyond a REASONABLE doubt. BIG difference.
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The legal system doesn't require proof "beyond a shadow of a doubt", simply beyond a REASONABLE doubt. BIG difference.
I agree, and this is where I say the problem was with that jury, not the evidence presented, which there was nothing wrong with. Bill T.
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I agree, and this is where I say the problem was with that jury, not the evidence presented, which there was nothing wrong with. Bill T.
One of our pastors is a former LA County cop, and his take on juries was that jurors were dumb as bales of hay. Which I found offensive.
To bales of hay that is.
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One of our pastors is a former LA County cop, and his take on juries was that jurors were dumb as bales of hay. Which I found offensive.
To bales of hay that is.
Post that after you get called next Path ::).The frustrating thing about being on a jury is you only get the info thats fed to you. You can't do your own research, you can't ask for advice, you can't interrogate a witness yourself, even if the DA missed an obvious question. You just have to be a mushroom and accept what you are fed. Guilty or not guilty, the blame is on those who gave you the info.
FQ13
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I agree, and this is where I say the problem was with that jury, not the evidence presented, which there was nothing wrong with. Bill T.
Unless you were actually IN the courtroom, you have no idea what the REAL evidence was, just the media’s interpretation of it. We’re all quick to jump on the MSM’s leanings on everything else, but take their coverage of court proceedings as gospel?
In his closing argument, Baez urged the jurors not to get caught up in the strong emotions that have followed the case since Anthony was arrested in 2008.
He told the jurors during his closing argument on Sunday that it was the government’s burden to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt and that the defense did not have to prove anything.
“Don’t speculate,” he said. “Don’t guess. It has to be proven to you beyond and to the exclusion of any reasonable doubt.”
Although many commentators had opined about the strength of the state’s case, prosecutors were unable at trial to present any direct physical evidence proving that Anthony played a role in her daughter’s death. They argued that the three pieces of duct tape found with Caylee’s skeletal remains were the murder weapon. But there no finger prints on the tape and the only unidentified DNA detected excluded both Caylee and her mother.
Defense attorneys said it was speculation that the tape caused Caylee’s death, and that the state – in a capital case – must prove that murder was committed
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2011/0705/Casey-Anthony-trial-acquittal-Death-of-Caylee-Anthony-is-still-a-mystery/(page)/2
Did she do something that caused, or could have caused the child’s death? Probably. Could it be PROVEN illegal? Not 100%, and by definition if there is a doubt in a “reasonable persons” mind that she actually KILLED the child, she in not guilty. That isn’t to say through negligence or accident the child died, it means WILLFULL and DELIBERATE acts resulting in the death of an individual. Post incident behavior, while suspect, is not evidence of a crime. Were their ligature marks or bruising on the child, indicative of restraint? Abnormal toxicology? Even the manslaughter charge requires there to be physical evidence and proof that she knew that the actions she was taking would or could result in the death of the child. Negligence alone does not prove guilt, it requires proven malice. Since that evidence could not be brought out, as there was none due to the time it took to find the body, doubt of how the child actually died is in question.
Scott Peterson was a bloody tool (literally). There were truckloads of physical evidence collected at the house, and everywhere else he went, before and after his wife went missing. The testimony of witnesses and his behavior later on only added to the case, they weren’t the whole case, as it appears here.
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One of our pastors is a former LA County cop, and his take on juries was that jurors were dumb as bales of hay. Which I found offensive.
To bales of hay that is.
+1 !
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The legal system doesn't require proof "beyond a shadow of a doubt", simply beyond a REASONABLE doubt. BIG difference.
I know. I simply mis-spoke (or mis-typed) or whatever you want to call it. ;D
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Personally I think the whole thing is just another bullsh1t distraction to keep the sheep from asking who's going to jail over the ATF gun running into Mexico, or the increasing unemployment or BO's illegal war on Libya, etc, etc.
And in this Fox News is just as guilty as the rest of the LSM.
For all the hype neither the crime, or verdict makes a damn bit of difference to any one but the family, might as well get worked up about the Lizzie Borden verdict.
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Unless you were actually IN the courtroom, you have no idea what the REAL evidence was, just the media’s interpretation of it. We’re all quick to jump on the MSM’s leanings on everything else, but take their coverage of court proceedings as gospel?
And that is where we have to be careful, case in point is the Duke lacross players. Nancy Grace should have been fired for her actions on that one.
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You know, this whole "dead/missing little white girl" shtick is just another LSM product. There is always some dead/missing little white girl that everyone is getting hysterical over. I bet the next "star" will be in the headlines by the end of the month. It helps if there is someone they can paint as a monster. The LSM definitely knows its audience.
Food for thought:
According to the American Anthropological Association, more than 200 women kill their children in the United States each year. Three to five children a day are killed by their parents. Homicide is one of the leading causes of death of children under age four, yet we continue to "persist with the unrealistic view that this is rare behavior," says Jill Korbin, expert on child abuse, who has studied mothers who killed their children.
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I'm with you Bill.... 1,000%..
The psyco bitch should be swinging from a tree.. and hopefully someone will see to it when she walks the streets..
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I can't confrim this, but I heard on the radio today that vivid entertainment offered her a job.( she actually is a good looking women)
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I can't confrim this, but I heard on the radio today that vivid entertainment offered her a job.( she actually is a good looking women)
Whatever Tab.... ::)
She's an evil skank on the inside... takes away anything that is on the outside...
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I also saw something on Yahoo news about her possibly getting a reality show.
But to reiterate my original post, the jury said there was not enough evidence to convict, that's the only opinion that matters.
I did see a funny cartoon in today's paper though, OJ hearing she got off and blowing coffee across his cell. ;D
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Whatever Tab.... ::)
She's an evil skank on the inside... takes away anything that is on the outside...
I'm not disagreeing with you, I would not screw her with some one elses dick. That does not change the fact that there are many men that would line up to hit it... Not to mention the sheer "novelty" of it. Remember, men have 2 heads, blood can only flow to one at a time.
"crazy in the head, crazy in bed"
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I'm not disagreeing with you, I would not screw her with some one elses dick. That does not change the fact that there are many men that would line up to hit it... Not to mention the sheer "novelty" of it. Remember, men have 2 heads, blood can only flow to one at a time.
"crazy in the head, crazy in bed"
But the active word is still "Crazy".
Usually far more aggravation than a good piece is worth.
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But the active word is still "Crazy".
Usually far more aggravation than a good piece is worth.
That brings me to something else my dad told me...
"when it comes down to her place or yours, its always thiers."
There was a period of my life in college where I went after the crazys...
lets just say he was right on both of those sayings. ;D
now back on topic.
this lady is crazy, has not been laid in 3 years and is good looking...
Any guesses on how good the sex would be?
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But the active word is still "Crazy".
Usually far more aggravation than a good piece is worth.
Amen.
A good 'crazy romp' in the sack the night before does nothing for you if you suddenly awake the following morning, drowning in your own blood from the knife in your esophagus........unable to scream while staring into her lovely eyes.
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Probably pretty amazing. Of course, its an even money bet as to whether you'd wake to see your wedding tackle cut off or her lighting the bed on fire, so I think I'll pass. ;D
FQ13
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Gorgeous woman don't always mean great in the other areas of their life.
From experience, lots and lots of experience....I'll take the normal woman over the supermodel type any day. Remember the saying, "no matter how beautiful, someone, somewhere is tired of taking her shit!"
Now, a four foot women with a flat head.... ;D
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Try a schizophrenic, you and her can have a threesome. ;D
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I would not let her teeth anywhere near to that part of me...
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I wonder what OJs lawyers in the murder trial got? ;D
FQ13
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I wonder what OJs lawyers in the murder trial got? ;D
FQ13
Cochran and Kardashian got dead.....Bailey, Dershowitz and the other assholes are still kickin...
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Don't be hating on Barry Scheck though. That guy has caused more justice to be done than anybody since JMB. The rest I don't care much about, but Scheck is an American hero.
FQ13
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Lawyers, politicians and the like are all assholes....don't care much for any of 'em..
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Scheck founded The Innocence Project. They have gotten 217 innocent men out of prison based on DNA results (which is all they do, no technicalities, just forensics). The guy is the real deal.
FQ13
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216 of them were probably guilty of other things that they never got caught for.
There were 3 guys in Boston, the papers made a big deal about "justice has been served". The Whitey's FBI office got them convicted of one of Whitey's murders.
What went unreported was that they were 3 career Mafia guys, they were guilty as hell of extortion assault, drug dealing, various types of fraud, and a few other murders of their own.
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I'll stick with proving guilt in court for the government to sentence a criminal, rather than any other means for the government to determine someone's guilt...like a Terrorist Watch List.
I'll give individuals more leeway.
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Lawyers, politicians and the like are all assholes....don't care much for any of 'em..
Q: What is the difference between a dead skunk and a dead lawyer in the middle of the road?
A: There are skidmarks in front of the skunk.
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http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44680
Casey Anthony -- Single Mom of the Year!
by Ann Coulter
07/06/2011
How many months of man-hours did Florida police spend searching for little Caylee Anthony back in 2008, while her mother, Casey Anthony, knew exactly where the child's body was?
If you were the victim of a crime in Orlando, Fla., between July and December 2008, you should be enraged that the police couldn't prevent or investigate your crime because they were too busy looking for a missing child whose mother already knew the kid was dead.
It's a zero-sum game with police resources. Cops combing through the woods searching for a missing child are not going to be patrolling your street or arresting suspects.
From repeat domestic violence calls to Los Angeles car chases, hit-and-run drivers and the balloon-boy hoax, worthless louts consume vastly more law enforcement resources than the rest of us. Cops in any town will tell you all the domestic violence calls come from the exact same homes, over and over again.
As long as we're looking for new revenue streams, how about billing these white trash low-lifes for their massive consumption of police resources? The dregs of society need to be assessed a fee for their abuse of government services and thrown in debtors prison in the unlikely event that they can't pay.
As I described in my last book, "Guilty," the leading cause of all social pathologies is single motherhood. One way or another, Casey Anthony's refusal to give up Caylee for adoption was going to cost society -- and cost Caylee.
The statistics are so jaw-dropping that not giving up an illegitimate child for adoption ought to be considered child abuse.
Various studies have shown that children raised by a single mother comprise about 70 percent of juvenile murderers, delinquents, teenaged mothers, drug abusers, dropouts, suicides and runaways. Imagine an America with 70 percent fewer of these social disorders and you will see what liberals' destruction of marriage has wrought.
A 1990 study by the (liberal) Progressive Policy Institute showed that, after controlling for single motherhood, the difference in black and white crime rates disappeared.
Meanwhile, adopted kids, on average, turn out better than even biological kids raised in two-parent families.
Of course, there aren't a lot of studies of adopted children because they aren't constantly mugging us. They're too busy running Oracle (Larry Ellison), the District of Columbia (Anthony Williams), or fantastic political websites, like "Big Government" (Andrew Breitbart).
One four-year study by the Search Institute in Minnesota found that adopted teenagers had greater empathy, higher self-esteem and more close friends than non-adopted teenagers in public schools, and were also less likely to engage in high-risk behavior, such as stealing and excessive drinking. In all, they scored higher than the control group on 16 indicators of well-being.
They were as strongly attached to their parents as their non-adopted siblings. Indeed, contrary to Hollywood movies portraying adopted kids mystically driven to find their biological parents, the majority of adopted teenagers rarely thought about the fact that they were adopted. (Apple's Steve Jobs has shown little interest in his biological father and corrects people who refer to his "adoptive parents," saying, "They were my parents.")
We could wipe out chronic poverty in America tomorrow -- and the new iPad would be even more awesome, if such a thing were possible! -- if only women would get married before having children or give up their illegitimate kids for adoption.
And yet, between 1979 and 2003, we went from about 600,000 babies being born out of wedlock, with about a quarter of them put up for adoption, to 1.5 million illegitimate births with fewer than 1 percent of them (14,000) given up for adoption. That's why Angelina Jolie and Madonna are constantly having to break up tribal wars to adopt Third World children.
A 2008 study led by Georgia State University economist Benjamin Scafidi conservatively estimated that single mothers cost the U.S. taxpayer $112 billion every year -- in addition to asking the rest of us to keep an eye on their kids while they go clubbing.
We could have had two Iraq wars -- Obama could have "saved or created" half a million stimulus jobs -- at that price.
But in fact, Scafidi underestimated single mothers' burden to society by excluding additional costs of single mothers to poverty programs such as the Earned Income Tax Credit.
That makes his estimates very low: Single mothers are six times more likely to be in poverty than married families. More than 80 percent of homeless families are single mothers.
Scafidi's study also did not consider the burden single mothers place on law enforcement because of their higher likelihood to neglect or kill their children.
Eighty-five percent of mothers who kill their children through neglect are single mothers.
The plague of single motherhood isn't an inevitable decay brought on by stupid choices of the underclass. Destroying the family is the active social policy of liberals. They enjoy experimenting with other people's lives and leaving the taxpayer with the bill.
The mainstream media and Hollywood studios are constantly issuing propaganda about the joys and triumphs of single mothers.
Thus, for example, the noted scientific periodical Us Weekly celebrated single motherhood with an article titled "The New Single Moms and How They Do It," which delusionally proclaimed that the "sisters are doing it for themselves."
No, they're not. They're "doing it" at an enormous and unasked-for cost to every man, woman and child in America. They're doing it at incalculable cost to the children themselves, such as helpless, innocent Caylee.
A 2007 New York Times op-ed column about three gold-diggers fighting for custody of Anna Nicole Smith's illegitimate daughter said: "Surely this change is a welcome corrective to the injustice of traditional marriage laws and family values that stigmatized 'bastards' for life."
Except one can't help noticing how many more illegitimate children there are -- and the accompanying child abuse, neglect, suicide, runaways and murders -- now that the stigma is gone.
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Zippers, condoms, the pill or abortion. If you aren't married and ready to raise a child, please choose one of the above alternatives. I honestly don't care which. Just don't expect me to pay for your little bundle of joy, suffer whatever crime spree it goes on, and then pay to incarcerate it for the rest of its life. Sorry if that isn't PC, but the liberals and the pro-lifers can both KMA on this one. I am tired of cleaning up other peoples messes. Be ready to raise it right or don't get knocked up (or knock someone up) to begin with.
FQ13
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216 of them were probably guilty of other things that they never got caught for.
Then they should be tried for those crimes. You can't jail or execute someone because they suck at being humans. You need proof.
The Innocence Project has uncovered scores of cases where prosecutors and cops have buried evidence, fabricated evidence and outright lied.
I gag whenever I hear someone moaning about "he got off on a technicality". Then those same people get misty eyed when they hear the National Anthem or Taps playing and don't realize that those "technicalities", our way of life, have been the reason our troops have fought for the last 235 years. To protect those very "technicalities".
Ever hear of "Better 10 Guilty Men Go Free than to Convict a Single Innocent Man"?
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Way I heard it was, "Better 100 innocent men hang than 1 guilty one escape". Same guy said "If one man is killed it's a tragedy, if a million are killed it's a statistic".
But to address the rest of your post, you just summed up why the opinions expressed in this thread about this broad don't amount to a piss hole in the snow.
If you weren't on the jury no one gives a sh!t what you think of her.
The opinions that mattered said let her go.
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Way I heard it was, "Better 100 innocent men hang than 1 guilty one escape".
What Commisar told you that? Here in America Kmitch is right, its the other way around.
FQ13
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I can't stand most Russian writers, but there are a couple I've waded through, that was Stalin.
The only thing by a Russian I ever ENJOYED reading was "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch" by Solzhenitsyn.
In America we also have trial by JURY, not by public opinion, which is exactly what people are trying to give Casey Anthony.
Of course there is always the OJ solution.
Keep trying her until you get the popular verdict, I'm sure some headline hungry ambulance chasing scum bag could come up with a civil offense.
She was found not guilty, deal with it.
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I'm with you Bill.... 1,000%..
The psyco bitch should be swinging from a tree.. and hopefully someone will see to it when she walks the streets..
The more this jury talks, the more this whole thing stinks on ice. They had 3 ways to go. They chose the worst one. "Juror # 4" This Jennifer broad said they all believed she was guilty. But she said they couldn't convict her of murder because the prosecution didn't prove their case.
OK, let's give her that. They could have deliberately hung the jury and said they were hopelessly deadlocked. This would have resulted in a mistrial, and given the prosecution another chance in a retrial. It also would have taken the monkey off of their backs, and resulted in another jury, (Thank God!). This is exactly what they did to Rod Blagojevich, and he didn't kill anyone. He "talked about" selling Obama's Senate seat. Did he? No. Did any money change hands? No. Did he financially profit in any way, shape, or form that could be proven? No. But they hung the jury, retried him, and got him the second time around. Why? Simply because they hated his guts, and wanted his ass on a stick. They got it, and Rod Blagojevich never hurt a single soul in his entire life. If the man was guilty of anything, he was guilty of being an arrogant, stupid, foul mouthed smart ass. Last time I looked that wasn't a crime. Now, if they can do that to him LEGALLY, no one is going to tell me they couldn't do it to that child murdering bitch.
Here is yet another problem with that whole bunch of idiots on this jury. They also let her skate on child endangerment. Why? We have a woman here in Phoenix as we speak, who is currently sitting in jail, and is most likely going to lose custody of her 2 children because she left them unattended in a parked car, while she spent 2 hours in a bar drinking. The kids are fine, and came to no harm. FACT: This broad goes out drinking and screwing for 31 DAYS, never reports the kid missing. FACT: Then, when the police question her about that very fact, she claims the kid was being watched by her "nanny". FACT: There was no nanny. Then she comes up with this cock and bull story about some wealthy boyfriend. FACT: There was no wealthy boyfriend. Then, the kid turns up DEAD. And she walks on child endangerment charges?? That is insane.
The fact is by their own admission they believed she was guilty. They could have used other legal options that were within their grasp, in an attempt to bring her to justice for this. They were either too lazy, too stupid, or all of the above. Because of their silly, stupid actions we now have a child murderer not only free as a bird, she will most likely bear yet another child at some point in her life. How would you like to be that little girl or boy? Then, provided she let's you live long enough, find out she killed your half sister? And those stupid buffoons that sat in that jury box have the audacity to think they "did the right thing". Yeah, right. Bill T.
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I can't confrim this, but I heard on the radio today that vivid entertainment offered her a job.( she actually is a good looking women)
I like to look at a good looking babe as much as the next guy. With that said I honestly can't see how any guy in his right mind could possibly get off over that bitch. I wouldn't piss in her mouth if her guts were on fire. I only hope she finds justice on the street in a far more violent way than she did to her daughter. Bill T.
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Hey Billt And M'ette,and the rest of you .
The reason the founding Fathers included jury trials and the the double jeopardy clause in the Constitution was to protect unpopular defendants from people like you.
If you are going to stand on the 2nd A to claim your gun rights, you have to abide by the rest of the document as well.
You weren't there when it happened, so you don't know what you are talking about.
You weren't on the jury, so your opinion is meaningless.
You had no dog in the fight, You weren't an accuser, defendant, juror, or lawyer, involved in the case, any interest you have in it is only prurient curiosity, like people rubber necking at a car wreck to see if they can see blood or corpses.
I think that's rather sick, and morbid.
You fall into the sheeple trap of getting all worked up about some BS media event that was intended only to distract you from real wrong doing by the administration.
You people didn't learn a damned thing from Bill Clinton bombing some one every time he had a hearing about Monica Lewinski. The socialist spin Dr's keep using the same distraction tactics and you fall for it every time.
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Tom - some of us can do more than one thing at a time, it's called multi-tasking! ;D
Agreed on the Constitution and double jeopardy comments, but also agree on the incompetence of the prosecution of the Anthony case. This should not have gone the way it did, but it did go this way, and we need to put it away. Never forget that little girl, but there are greater issues going on we need to prepare for.
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Hey Billt And M'ette,and the rest of you .
You had no dog in the fight, You weren't an accuser, defendant, juror, or lawyer, involved in the case, any interest you have in it is only prurient curiosity, like people rubber necking at a car wreck to see if they can see blood or corpses.
I think that's rather sick, and morbid.
No, not in the least. This has nothing to do with "having a dog in the fight". It has nothing to do with the media, "sheeple" or anything else you want to tag it with to make to make it look lame. It has to do with right and wrong. That jury was wrong, pure and simple. You could care less and say, "that's the way the system works, get over it." That is bull$h!t, and if you want to sell it, don't sell it to me.
They had other options jury's use all the time, but chose not to. For whatever reason, they didn't want that girl to spend any more time in jail. Don't try to make this out to be something else that wasn't presented. There were no "secret facts". We all saw what was there. The media shaped none of it. Her lawyer was as poor of a defense attorney as could ever hope to get a case of this magnitude......and he wins it? Why? because he was so brilliant, or because the jury was so stupid? My money is on the latter. Simpson had a brilliant defense team that cost millions. This total ass hat belongs in traffic court.
The fact is this was not a proper murder trial. You had an idiot jury who believed an even bigger idiot defense attorney. You had 2 expert FBI witnesses with impeccable records who testified in dozens of murder trials say they found traces of Chloroform in the trunk ALONG WITH HAIR SAMPLES THAT BELONGED TO Caylee Anthony. THE JURY REFUSED TO BELIEVE THEM! They in fact refuse to believe direct evidence in favor of what?......Lies by a third rate attorney with a legal record that borders on total crap?
You're right about one thing, this is "morbid" all right. But not in the way you describe. Not in the least. It is sad we have idiots out there stupid enough not to know what they can and cannot do to convict a guilty person. They just don't care, or are too stupid. I believe the latter. Especially after hearing that stupid, dumb juror talk. That bitch couldn't, (wouldn't would be a better word), convict Hitler. Bill T.
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You vote ?
That thought scares me comrade.
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You vote ?
That thought scares me comrade.
I know the system. What scares the living hell out of me are the stupid idiots who don't. We saw the results of that last week, didn't we? Bill T.
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Thank you Bill.................. :)
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There is something else I heard the other night on a cable discussion show about this whole disaster that was interesting. That is the problem with these sequestered juries on these cases. The guy made a good point. When the Casey Anthony jury first went into deliberation, they immediately took a vote before they started any deliberation. The vote was 10 to 2. 10 not guilty, 2 guilty. Then, just 9 hours later they all agree? How? Those jurors sat through weeks of testimony, and were presented with all sorts of witnesses and evidence. They quite literally took weeks to absorb all of the facts and make up their minds. And 2 of them get changed in just 9 hours by 10 other non professionals? How?
He said these sequestered juries are incarcerated as bad or worse than Casey Anthony herself. Just like the defendant, they sit in court all day listening to the trial. Then Casey was marched out of court and into her jail cell, and the jury was marched out into their hotel room. They are not allowed to watch TV, read newspapers or magazines that contain any news. They can't go home, go to work, visit, nothing. After months of this they want out as bad as her. Who's to say they weren't pressured by their own want to simply get on with their lives? The very reason they are sequestered in the first place could very well be the reason they came to such a stupid verdict. Or certainly contributed to it.
By going to such extreme measures to keep the jury itself "pure", they tainted it with the juries own anxiousness to get their lives back, and get the hell out of there. Many of these people have serious financial obligations, just like everyone else. They have kids to support, mortgages, car payments, etc. Those obligations are put on hold for months with these lengthy trials. This whole business of "doing your civic duty" can only be expected to be carried just so far. Those 2 "guilty" jurors knew they didn't stand much of a chance to convince the other 10 to see it their way, so they caved. Who's to say they just plain had enough of hotels, no work, money, (jury duty pays crap), no life period? One thing is for sure, sequestering these people for 2 months didn't help that verdict one damn bit.
Perhaps sequestered juries have just plain outlived there time. It is a bit foolish to think that by letting these people live a normal life, their vote would somehow be influenced. And at the same time think by locking them up like a homeless, wandering dog, it wouldn't be. We quickly move from trying to keep the jury "pure", to trying to ascertain "pure what"? Bill T.
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At last you make a point on this thread that I agree with Bill. The Ojay trial was so bad with weekends and half days off (for everyone but the jurors) that I'd have been tempted to stand up in open court and tell the judge I was going to strip naked and run around the room screaming "Guilty" if things weren't wrapped up by week's end, contempt of court be damned. You are right. Every jury takes things seriously at first. Then, they realize that one way or another they just want to go home, period. Of course, this can lead to a wrongful guilty verdict as well.
FQ13
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At last you make a point on this thread that I agree with Bill. The Ojay trial was so bad with weekends and half days off (for everyone but the jurors) that I'd have been tempted to stand up in open court and tell the judge I was going to strip naked and run around the room screaming "Guilty" if things weren't wrapped up by week's end, contempt of court be damned. You are right. Every jury takes things seriously at first. Then, they realize that one way or another they just want to go home, period. Of course, this can lead to a wrongful guilty verdict as well.
FQ13
The judge in the Casey Anthony trial, Belvin Perry, took time to kick some serious ass with both the prosecution, as well as the defense, for wasting the courts time, and not moving things along.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/20/casey-anthony-trial-angry-judge_n_880389.html#s300174&title=Casey_Anthony_Trial
I hate like hell to quote the Huffington Post for anything, so much as the smell of dog $h!t, but in this case it is a good article. Point being in all of this was the jury was just plain getting bored. And I'm sure the judge could see the disinterest in their eyes. (TV cameras can never show the jury.) Bill T.
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I'm absolutely lost on how anyone cares about this when it has NOOOO effect on ANYONES life... ALL news stories like this are simply in the media because their "Days of Our Lives" soap opera's for men and women alike. AND, that they distract the american public from real issues the politicians are sneaking past you while your busy gossiping. ::)
Feel free to bash my opinion relentlessly. ;D I certainly won't be following the thread. Just finally felt driven to comment because it's lasted how many pages now? ::)
What'a they call those guys... "Metro-sexuals", yeah, that's it. ;D
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I'm absolutely lost on how anyone cares about this when it has NOOOO effect on ANYONES life... ALL news stories like this are simply in the media because their "Days of Our Lives" soap opera's for men and women alike. AND, that they distract the american public from real issues the politicians are sneaking past you while your busy gossiping. ::)
Feel free to bash my opinion relentlessly. ;D I certainly won't be following the thread. Just finally felt driven to comment because it's lasted how many pages now? ::)
What'a they call those guys... "Metro-sexuals", yeah, that's it. ;D
Try telling that to Caylee Anthony. Or the other thousands of families of missing children. Tell them that they can't rely on the justice system to punish those that took, raped, and/or murdered their children. THAT is the issue. I could care less about this particular case, but it does have ramifications on the bigger picture. Mainly people faith in the criminal justice system.
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I'm absolutely lost on how anyone cares about this when it has NOOOO effect on ANYONES life.
You're wrong. It had no effect on your life. It had a direct effect on that little girls life. Go ahead and call me crazy, but it just plain bothers the $h!t out of me that a pretty little 2 year old girl is dead. Brutally murdered. And no one is going to pay the price for it. And quite possibly the very person who did it, just might legally profit from it. Yeah, that bothers me, and it does have an effect on my life. And I assure you it isn't a good one. Bill T.
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When it comes right down to it, Who gives a shit ? Some bint may or may not have whacked her Kid.
BFD, kids die every day and we still haven't run out of them.
If this is actually important to you and you are not one of her f*cked up relatives, you need to get a life.
Just theater for the sheeple.