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Member Section => Down Range Cafe => Topic started by: twyacht on July 07, 2011, 04:58:27 PM
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Barack Hussien Obama. >:(
Because the murdering, raping, child killer who confessed to raping, sodomizing, torturing, and crushing the skull OF A 16 YEAR OLD GIRL, with a 30lb piece of asphalt is:
AN ILLEGAL ALIEN! ......and he should have been entitled to diplomatic options for council.
****This illegal scumbag left this girls body nude, battered, and with a stick left in her genitals, bite marks, strangulation, and crushed face....
But BHO is trying to get an injunction from the SCOTUS.
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/articles/huntsville-128543-mexican-seeks.html
White House seeks delay of Mexican man's execution
July 07, 2011 9:42 AM
MICHAEL GRACZYK, Associated Press
HUNTSVILLE (AP) — The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday was considering whether to block a Mexican citizen's execution for the rape and murder of a teenager in a case where Texas justice clashed with international treaty rights. The White House was among those pleading for a stay, saying the case could affect not only foreigners in the U.S. but Americans detained in other countries.
The Obama administration asked the high court to delay Humberto Leal's execution, set for Thursday evening, so Congress could consider a law that would require court reviews in cases where condemned foreign nationals did not receive help from their consulates. Prosecutors say such legislation is likely to fail, and that Leal's appeals are simply an attempt to evade justice for a gruesome murder.
Leal, a 38-year-old mechanic, was sentenced to lethal injection for the 1994 rape-slaying of 16-year-old Adria Sauceda, whose brutalized nude body was found hours after Leal left a San Antonio street party with her. The girl's head was bashed with a 30- to 40-pound chunk of asphalt.
Another article.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/07/should-texas-execute-a-mexican-rick-perry-will-decide/241577/
ARE YOU %$)*(% KIDDING ME!!!!!??!?!?!?!!!!
I'm *&^(*&^( pissed.....
)(*& this POTUS....
S.O.B. should have been executed long ago.....BHO,....well,....I'll reserve posting anything about that.
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Personally I think the murdering rapist is a better human being than that slime ball communist motherf*cker who is trying to protect him, and the Ft Hood TERRORIST traitor, and the crooked unions, and his crooked cabinet, and the American hating Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Libya.
When that POS is shot his body should be left in the street to poison feral dogs.
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So is W. and most former Sec. States. Perry is an asswipe who is looking at the election and trying to appeal to the idiot wing of the GOP (I grant you the Dem's have one of their own).
Here's the deal TW. Diplomacy is a two way street and all treaties are based on quid pro quo and nothing else. The Vienna convention guarantees a foreign national that they be advised of their right to speak to their embassy. We didn't do that. Now, you can get your panties in a twist over this dirt bag if you want, BUT.....what happens when an American is jailed overseas? If we don't honor the treaty how can we expect anyone else to? How can we demand our citizens get to call our embassies? It seems cheap at the price to commute this guy's sentence to life without parole, but then, I'm not thinking about running in the GOP primary. ::)
FQ13 who has no problem with offing the guy, but lets be smart about this.
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It's far from being the first time Texas has said f*ck the Vienna convention. And those other countries still keep coming back kissing our ass whenever they want something.
F*ck'em. It should be their Pres we give the shot to for not keeping his scum home.
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He wasn't in custody or under arrest when he confessed to the killing. His right to his consulates legal issues are a moot point.
Let me pull the switch, inject the venom, tie the noose, yank the lever, gun the f....r down. I can be there in the am..
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So is W. and most former Sec. States. Perry is an asswipe who is looking at the election and trying to appeal to the idiot wing of the GOP (I grant you the Dem's have one of their own).
Here's the deal TW. Diplomacy is a two way street and all treaties are based on quid pro quo and nothing else. The Vienna convention guarantees a foreign national that they be advised of their right to speak to their embassy. We didn't do that. Now, you can get your panties in a twist over this dirt bag if you want, BUT.....what happens when an American is jailed overseas? If we don't honor the treaty how can we expect anyone else to? How can we demand our citizens get to call our embassies? It seems cheap at the price to commute this guy's sentence to life without parole, but then, I'm not thinking about running in the GOP primary. ::)
FQ13 who has no problem with offing the guy, but lets be smart about this.
If they are there illegally, they are on their own.
This SOB was here illegally......he should not fall under the protection of jack-squat. IMHO.
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So FQ, since this scumbag has been on death row for YEARS, and NOW it's suddenly an election year, and the "Anointed One" is pandering for the Hispanic vote,....
Only NOW does he try to stop it?
Really?
How many American rapist child killing are in Mexican prisons....??????
Diplomacy? From a country whose Presidente said illegal immigrants are imprisoned and deported if found in Mexico...Did the Mexican embassy want anything to do with this dirtbag?
Commute this guy's sentence????For what?????$40-50,000 DOLLARS NOT PESO'S to keep him fed and bathed? WITH FREE HEALTHCARE????
Really FQ,.....put the Kool-Aid down and get some Cuervo.
Lethal injection is too kind....
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So is W. and most former Sec. States. Perry is an asswipe who is looking at the election and trying to appeal to the idiot wing of the GOP (I grant you the Dem's have one of their own).
Here's the deal TW. Diplomacy is a two way street and all treaties are based on quid pro quo and nothing else. The Vienna convention guarantees a foreign national that they be advised of their right to speak to their embassy. We didn't do that. Now, you can get your panties in a twist over this dirt bag if you want, BUT.....what happens when an American is jailed overseas? If we don't honor the treaty how can we expect anyone else to? How can we demand our citizens get to call our embassies? It seems cheap at the price to commute this guy's sentence to life without parole, but then, I'm not thinking about running in the GOP primary. ::)
FQ13 who has no problem with offing the guy, but lets be smart about this.
First, other countries DON'T honer our treaties. Just look at the hikers that got picked up in Iran. Or how about all the missing POWs in Vietnam. Second, this dirt bag probably never thought to mention he was an illegal alien, a FELONY in of itself. In essence, he just kept digging himself a deeper hole. I have to go for Tom's point of view here however, the fact that BHO is fighting for this guy is the cherry on top of this S%^T show. Execute him and be done with it. It'll be one less beanhead in our detention centers. After that I would start looking at the White House with regards to obstruction of justice, that would be multiple counts by the way.
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Its not just BO. W is argiuing for clemency here.Its about being smart, not being right.
FQ13
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STAY DENIED.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/07/white-house-seeks-delay-mexican-mans-execution-as-supreme-court-mulls-case/
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/07/white-house-seeks-delay-mexican-mans-execution-as-supreme-court-mulls-case/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/07/white-house-seeks-delay-mexican-mans-execution-as-supreme-court-mulls-case/)
That's the specific article.
Hey "smart boy" (that's you, FQ), here's what the SCOTUS thinks of your "do the smart thing" idea:
"The U.S. Supreme Court denied a Mexican man's request for an execution stay in Texas, calling his argument meritless."
I stand by my labeling of you as a tool. To stop being a tool, maybe consider starting with not giving a flying f..k what the hell Mexico thinks? Huh? Start there?
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One down.
A sh!t load to go.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/07/white-house-seeks-delay-mexican-mans-execution-as-supreme-court-mulls-case/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/07/white-house-seeks-delay-mexican-mans-execution-as-supreme-court-mulls-case/)
That's the specific article.
Hey "smart boy" (that's you, FQ), here's what the SCOTUS thinks of your "do the smart thing" idea:
"The U.S. Supreme Court denied a Mexican man's request for an execution stay in Texas, calling his argument meritless."
I stand by my labeling of you as a tool. To stop being a tool, maybe consider starting with not giving a flying f..k what the hell Mexico thinks? Huh? Start there?
Or the UN or Amnesty International, or Human rights Watch, or the World council of Churches or any of the other communist front organizations.
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Hell is too good for his filthy hide.
Good Riddance. Sad Texas doesn't have public hangings anymore.
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Hell is too good for his filthy hide.
Good Riddance. Sad Texas doesn't have public hangings anymore.
Yeah, The murderer is a scumbag too.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/07/white-house-seeks-delay-mexican-mans-execution-as-supreme-court-mulls-case/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/07/white-house-seeks-delay-mexican-mans-execution-as-supreme-court-mulls-case/)
That's the specific article.
Hey "smart boy" (that's you, FQ), here's what the SCOTUS thinks of your "do the smart thing" idea:
"The U.S. Supreme Court denied a Mexican man's request for an execution stay in Texas, calling his argument meritless."
I stand by my labeling of you as a tool. To stop being a tool, maybe consider starting with not giving a flying f..k what the hell Mexico thinks? Huh? Start there?
Yep, that's me, a tool, a mouth breathing idiot who thinks that maybe a college kid who gets busted in Mexico might like to be given the chance to call our embassy before looking at serious time in a Mexican prison. You are totally correct Path, executing this guy is far, far, more important than protecting the tens of thousands of Americans who go to Mexico every year. I am a fool, a socialist and a hater of the flag and I bow before your righteousness ::). How silly of me to listen to two presidents and allow realpolitik to get in the way of a good self righteous rant. ::)
FQ13 who would apologize for unloading, but I think we both know its fair.Understand that its a cold hard wiorld and we live in in it Path, your precious morals mean diddly and squat. When it comes to IR, you do what works. The rest is BS.
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Staying on topic,....how cooperative would the Federalis be to an American who confessed to raping and murdering a young girl IN MEXICO?
Gee,....maybe after they let you cry to the American Embassy, they turn you loose in General Population in the Mexican Prison.....
Trial? We don't need no stinkin' trial,.....
Than the Federalis call the Embassy back and tell them they can have what's left of this dead "gringo"...
Please spare me the semantics,....as Bush screwed up in 05 calling for a new hearing,....just as BHO waited to pander at the last minute....
The scumbag is dead. and a .45ACP to the forehead behind the prison, would have saved a lot of time and trouble.
like 16 years worth.
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You're a tool because you cannot see the facts for whatever manifests itself as a bias in your brain. This guy was on death row for 16 years.
Let me repeat that - 16 YEARS!!!!! The Mexicans had ample time to file all sorts of complaints and protests - they didn't so far as I know until the last possible moment when it became apparent Texas was actually - gasp - going to execute this turdball.
And this has nothing to do with my morals, my opinion or anything else about me. The SCOTUS ruled this guy had no case. So I see your 2 Presidents (who, klintoon? Carter 1.0? Carter 2.0 aka bho?) and raise you the SCOTUS, and a Governor.
I particularly like the quote from the SCOTUS: "In a 5-4 decision an hour before the execution, the majority wrote, “We have no authority to stay an execution in light of an 'appeal of the President,' presenting free-ranging assertions of foreign policy consequences, when those assertions come unaccompanied by a persuasive legal claim.”
And killing this raping murderer is realpolitik, just not the kind our one-worldly non-friends wanted, since it comes from us against their will. Reason #2 you're a tool.
Reason #3? You cannot see that this has nothing to do with offing this scumbag. It has everything to do with one-worlders wanting to trash Texas sovereignty, as well as that of the US sovereignty, aided and abetted by none other than bho himself.
So rant all you want, I don't care. Get stupid again and I - or others - will call you on it. But consider this - yet again you demonstrate clearly why your picture is in Ambrose Bierce's Devil's Dictionary right next to the definition of a cynic: "One who knows the price of everything, and the value of nothing". You got the facts, but you ain't got a clue.
Yep, that's me, a tool, a mouth breathing idiot who thinks that maybe a college kid who gets busted in Mexico might like to be given the chance to call our embassy before looking at serious time in a Mexican prison. You are totally correct Path, executing this guy is far, far, more important than protecting the tens of thousands of Americans who go to Mexico every year. I am a fool, a socialist and a hater of the flag and I bow before your righteousness ::). How silly of me to listen to two presidents and allow realpolitik to get in the way of a good self righteous rant. ::)
FQ13 who would apologize for unloading, but I think we both know its fair.Understand that its a cold hard wiorld and we live in in it Path, your precious morals mean diddly and squat. When it comes to IR, you do what works. The rest is BS.
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Staying on topic,....how cooperative would the Federalis be to an American who confessed to raping and murdering a young girl IN MEXICO?
Seriously. If American college kids are down in old Mexico raping and pillaging, then they deserve to die, too!
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TW.
Exactly what part of honoring treaty obligations, whether you like it or not, are you having trouble with? Look, the guy is a murdering rapist. So are a thousand other guys. Do you really care if he dies or gets life? I sure as hell don't, and the most useful thing he will ever do on this earth is to be an example that the Vienna convention is honored by the US and we expect others to honor it for our nationals. What part of this is problematic for you? Why do you care if this guy lives or dies? He has sacrificed his right to live by the rape and murder he committed. Now, he belongs to us and we should dispose of him in the most productive manner possible, which in this case means honoring our treaty obligations. What is the problem with this?
FQ13
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The treaty allowed for aliens under arrest or in custody. He confessed to the crime before he was arrested or in custody so the whole Vienna Convention is a moot point according to a Federal Judge I listened to on the way home from work.
He's dead now, let it go...and I agree, if a US citizen is guilty of serious crimes overseas, let them rot.
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Just to clarify one point. Nobody denied him access to his consulate. The detail is that he wasn't informed that he had a right to talk to his consulate. Similar to Miranda rights
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TW.
Exactly what part of honoring treaty obligations, whether you like it or not, are you having trouble with? Look, the guy is a murdering rapist. So are a thousand other guys. Do you really care if he dies or gets life? I sure as hell don't, and the most useful thing he will ever do on this earth is to be an example that the Vienna convention is honored by the US and we expect others to honor it for our nationals. What part of this is problematic for you? Why do you care if this guy lives or dies? He has sacrificed his right to live by the rape and murder he committed. Now, he belongs to us and we should dispose of him in the most productive manner possible, which in this case means honoring our treaty obligations. What is the problem with this?
FQ13
It has nothing to do with our opinions or what we think. It has everything to do with Texas sovereignty and their legal process being followed. Personal revulsion against this lowlife aside, the SCOTUS ruled that there was nothing for them to review due to the lack of any kind of legal argument. So Texas did what Texas should have been allowed to do without any interference from bho or Holder.
What part of this are you having trouble with?
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It has nothing to do with our opinions or what we think. It has everything to do with Texas sovereignty and their legal process being followed. Personal revulsion against this lowlife aside, the SCOTUS ruled that there was nothing for them to review due to the lack of any kind of legal argument. So Texas did what Texas should have been allowed to do without any interference from bho or Holder.
What part of this are you having trouble with?
I guess here is where we part company. The Supremacy Clause means US law trumps Tx. law. Scotus ruled and I will accept it, but I think they are wrong. I think if we put ink to a treaty we should honor it and demand the other party does likewise. I'm willing to walk away from this mess, but I think that state sovereignty becomes irrelevant when issues of IR are concerned, and I'll rely on Article I for that. Still, the Court has spoken and I defer. You win Path, but I still think that this will bite us in the ass with our nationals sooner rather than later.
FQ13
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I guess here is where we part company. The Supremacy Clause means US law trumps Tx. law. Scotus ruled and I will accept it, but I think they are wrong. I think if we put ink to a treaty we should honor it and demand the other party does likewise. I'm willing to walk away from this mess, but I think that state sovereignty becomes irrelevant when issues of IR are concerned, and I'll rely on Article I for that. Still, the Court has spoken and I defer. You win Path, but I still think that this will bite us in the ass with our nationals sooner rather than later.
FQ13
If anyone wants me, I'll be the Motivational Posters thread! ;) ;D 8)
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Vienna Convention can mean any of a number of treaties signed in Vienna. Notable are:
* several treaties and conventions resulted from the Congress of Vienna (1814-1815) which redrew the map of Europe, only partially restoring the pre-Napoleonic situation, and drafted new rules for international relations
* Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations (1961)
* Vienna Convention on Civil Liability for Nuclear Damage (1963)
* Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (1963)
* Vienna Convention on Road Traffic (1968)
* Vienna Convention on Road Signs and Signals (1968)
* Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (1969)
* Vienna Convention on the Representation of States in their Relations with International Organizations of a Universal Character (1975) [1],[2]
* Convention on the issue of multilingual extracts from civil status records (1976)
* Vienna Convention on Succession of States in respect of Treaties (1978)
* United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods (1980)
* Vienna Convention for the Protection of the Ozone Layer (1985)
* Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties between States and International Organizations or Between International Organizations (1986)
* Vienna Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances (1988)
gee, a trelaty regarding nuclear damage, and road traffic, illicit drugs, the ozone, and universal character..no mention of dirtbag child killing rapists.
The New World pacifist order, met Texas, albeit long overdue, justice. By a 5-4 margin, the "4" lib justices sided with International Law....
Thankfully, the "5" saw this as a stunt, a ploy, a pandering, and having NO merit on STATES RIGHTS.
And yes I care if he dies or gets life.....States are trying to save money, and one less on death row is cost effective.
Honor our treaty obligations,.......???????
Go to Texas....
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Yep, that's me, a tool, a mouth breathing idiot who thinks that maybe a college kid who gets busted in Mexico might like to be given the chance to call our embassy before looking at serious time in a Mexican prison. You are totally correct Path, executing this guy is far, far, more important than protecting the tens of thousands of Americans who go to Mexico every year. I am a fool, a socialist and a hater of the flag and I bow before your righteousness ::). How silly of me to listen to two presidents and allow realpolitik to get in the way of a good self righteous rant. ::)
FQ13 who would apologize for unloading, but I think we both know its fair.Understand that its a cold hard wiorld and we live in in it Path, your precious morals mean diddly and squat. When it comes to IR, you do what works. The rest is BS.
I couldn't have summed it up better myself. Try "adenoidal moron" next time, that used to be one of my Dad's favorite descriptive s.
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Well, now it don't matter how you cut it... The sumbitch is shakin' hands with Satan tonight. Good riddance. And stay strong, Texas. You may be our final hope!
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Burn baby, BURN !
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I think I read somewhere that this guy had been here since he was two years old? Did ya'll see that? Because it matters...if true this is looking like somekind of POTUS test case that blends Mexico with the US when it gets right down to it.
Nonetheless, the Supreme Court decided there were no overriding treaties. Duh. I believe everything stated by the defense is truthful right along with the part about the tooth fairy and Santa Claus....really, I'm an adult, I can discern truth and fiction.
And, where does the federal government have the right to overturn murder conviction by the state anyway? Guess they don't, HA...HA..one more time...HA.
College kid messing around in Mexico gets accosted and goes to prison...I guess that will have serious consequences after our dollar is trashed and the peso is worth more than a dollar. Nothing but toilet paper to bribe the federales with..... What does BHO and George Soros know we don't know....
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Article 36, of the Vienna Convention for Consular Relations,....1963. It, OF COURSE, is part of the United Nations...
(b) if he so requests, the competent authorities of the receiving State shall, without delay, inform the
consular post of the sending State if, within its consular district, a national of that State is arrested or
committed to prison or to custody pending trial or is detained in any other manner. Any communication
addressed to the consular post by the person arrested, in prison, custody or detention shall be forwarded
by the said authorities without delay. The said authorities shall inform the person concerned without
delay of his rights under this subparagraph;
(c) consular officers shall have the right to visit a national of the sending State who is in prison,
custody or detention, to converse and correspond with him and to arrange for his legal representation.
They shall also have the right to visit any national of the sending State who is in prison, custody or
detention in their district in pursuance of a judgement. Nevertheless, consular officers shall refrain from
taking action on behalf of a national who is in prison, custody or detention if he expressly opposes such
action.
After all those years in prison,.....he never requested it, (unlikely as his family probably did)....or was blown off by Mexico...PERIOD, END OF STORY.
Leal nor his defense attorneys asked for such assistance before his trial, or that article 36 of the Vienna Convention which she refers to does not seem to require arresting authorities to contact a prisoner’s home country unless he requests it.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2011/07/08/msnbc-s-maddow-incorrectly-claims-texas-broke-law-executing-murderer
Stop watching Rachel Maddow FQ,....it's just bad for you. That's why the SCOTUS said "NO"...
Rastus:
And, where does the federal govrernment have the right to overturn murder conviction by the state anyway? Guess they don't, HA...HA..one more time...HA.
NO Treaty Violation....Just a long overdue DEAD Mexican scumbag.
* and that's all I have to say about that....* ;D
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I think now would be a good time to deliver him to his embassy for his final appeal. Maybe shoot him through the front window with one of those circus cannons.
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I think now would be a good time to deliver him to his embassy for his final appeal. Maybe shoot him through the front window with one of those circus cannons.
I like that........Pffftttt-Whoosh..........back over the fence you go boy!!!!!! ;D
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OK, I'm slow. I GET IT NOW.
All this fuss from the White House about the foreign national/consular thing...I get it now.....BHO and Eric Holder are afraid to be extradited to Mexico on accessory to murder charges. I knew there had to be a good reason "close to the front door". Politicians zig and I zagged this time....now I got it.
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ROFL!
FQ13