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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on July 25, 2011, 08:33:42 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/california-dream-act-approved-illegal-immigrants-230031406.html
California "Dream Act" approved for illegal immigrants
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law on Monday a bill allowing illegal immigrants to receive privately funded scholarships to attend the state's public colleges and universities.
The bill, dubbed the California Dream Act, passed the state Legislature earlier this month and aims at helping illegal immigrants who have earned a high school diploma after attending at least three years of high school in the state.
"At the end of the day, if we're going to continue as a powerful, equal-opportunity society, we're going to have to invest in our people," Brown, a Democrat, said at the signing ceremony in the library of a Los Angeles community college.
The state law is named after a national bill introduced in Congress last year to give young, undocumented immigrants who have lived in the United States for at least five years a path to citizenship through college or military service.
The federal bill failed to win passage in December 2010, and its chances have dimmed since a Republican majority took control of the House of Representatives this year.
Critics say the California Dream Act gives illegal immigrants a false promise, because their immigration status will not change after graduating from college, and they will remain unable to find legal employment.
The new law merely makes undocumented students who qualify eligible for private scholarships. Many are unable to otherwise afford more than a two-year degree from a community college.
A separate bill under consideration in the legislature would allow illegal immigrants to qualify for publicly funded scholarships as well.
State law already allows illegal immigrants in California who qualify for admission to a four-year state university to pay in-state tuition rather than the more expensive out-of-state tuition rate.
But four-year institutions are still beyond reach for many undocumented students without financial aid.
Twelve other states also grant in-state tuition eligibility to illegal immigrants based on attendance and graduation from a state high school, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.
Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, South Carolina and Indiana bar illegal immigrants from in-state tuition benefits.
The Constitution of the United States
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
Are the rules different for liberal/socialists ?
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What frosts me about this bill and so many others is that they actually refer to these criminals and fugitives from justice as "illegal immigrants." The are illegal, they are breaking the law, they are stealing from law abiding citizens and legal residents of this nation!
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The asshats in Hartford beat Kalifornistan to the punch.....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/07/illegal-immigrant-instate_n_892435.html
HARTFORD, Conn. -- This will be the first year that illegal immigrant Maria Praeli can consider going to college fulltime.
She and her family had feared that the cost would be more than they could afford. But the 18-year-old high school student can now qualify for in-state tuition at Connecticut's public universities under a law that took effect last week.
A ceremonial bill signing was planned for Thursday afternoon.
The law can reduce tuition costs by as much as $17,000 annually for undocumented students such as Praeli, a rising senior at New Milford High School who is plans to apply to state schools.
"It gives me something to work for," said Praeli, a native of Peru who was taken to the United States when she was 5 years old. "It's easier to see your future."
Connecticut is now among 12 states, including New York and Illinois, that grant in-state tuition to illegal immigrants who are working toward legal status. Advocates also have been pushing for a federal law providing a path to legalization for qualified illegal immigrant students and other young adults, but the federal legislation known as the DREAM Act has failed repeatedly in Washington.
Fewer than 50 illegal immigrants are expected to take advantage of the new law immediately, with the University of Connecticut expecting less than 10 for its next term. But advocates say that number could rise to 250 across Connecticut within the year as enrollment increases at community colleges in particular.
Lawmakers who supported the tuition change say it makes sense to give students who were raised as Americans a chance to succeed. Opponents say it is unfair to legal residents who could lose a spot in the in-state pool because of the new law.
The law requires the undocumented students to attend four years of high school in Connecticut and then file a statement with their college or university saying they will apply for legal residency when eligible to do so. Currently, if an illegal resident applies for lawful status they are subject to deportation.
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Any and all supporters of these state laws are criminals, violating the law and their oath of office.
Who will rid us of yon one world hacks ?
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Any and all supporters of these state laws are criminals, violating the law and their oath of office.
Who will rid us of yon one world hacks ?
True. But remember this cuts both ways. This what opponents of Arizona and Georgia's laws are arguing, that immimgration is a federal issue. There's a lot of hypocrisy here. Still I think we have a much better case asour side is about the state's enforcing federal law, not flouting it.
FQ13 who would love to see an ICE official note that they will supoena the admissions applications to find illegal students. That would end it quickly.
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True. But remember this cuts both ways. This what opponents of Arizona and Georgia's laws are arguing, that immimgration is a federal issue. There's a lot of hypocrisy here. Still I think we have a much better case asour side is about the state's enforcing federal law, not flouting it.
FQ13 who would love to see an ICE official note that they will supoena the admissions applications to find illegal students. That would end it quickly.
There is no comparison.
States like Ariz. and Ga. are filling a void created by the federal Govt refusing to enforce their own law. They have no problem with State or local authorities executing warrant's on tax charges. The NH couple who made news a few years ago as tax protesters were arrested by State cops, but their local taxes were paid, there were no state charges against them. It was purely federal.
These other however, are engaging in a conspiracy to violate federal law. That is a felony.
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Remember that thread "Why you SHOULD cheat on your tax's"?
Just saying...
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FQ - Section 8 tells us who at the federal level is responsible for immigration. However, it does not forbid any lower jurisdiction from having their own as long as they do not infringe on any Rights.
As far as California's new law - This law breaks federal immigration laws, which means that it is unconstitutional.
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FQ - Section 8 tells us who at the federal level is responsible for immigration. However, it does not forbid any lower jurisdiction from having their own as long as they do not infringe on any Rights.
As far as California's new law - This law breaks federal immigration laws, which means that it is unconstitutional.
And what are the odds that our current DoJ is even going to look at this? >:(
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And what are the odds that our current DoJ is even going to look at this? >:(
bets on they won't
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The problem at its core is that Americans have such a low birth rate that Immigration is the only way to keep the government house of cards upright for a little longer. Every incentive has the ultimate goal of bringing more people to our country no matter how they get here or how much they will never embrace our culture. I believe the new name for illegal alien is "unregistered democrat"and we have almost reached the point where the non-taxpaying voters will out number working ones.
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You've seen the bumper sticker: "Work harder, millions of welfare recipients are counting on you!"
Wanna know how to stop that in a BLINK!?!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510707,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510707,00.html)
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The "not enough Americans" is an old and tired argument. The truth is that we have enough Americans, but we don't have enough Americans that want to work for a living!
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The "not enough Americans" is an old and tired argument. The truth is that we have enough Americans, but we don't have enough Americans that want to work for a living!
I realize I'm old, but I remember a day when shoveling shit or digging ditches wasn't "beneath the dignity" of real Americans.
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I realize I'm old, but I remember a day when shoveling shit or digging ditches wasn't "beneath the dignity" of real Americans.
Ever mow an acre with one of those old "whirly" push type mowers?
No wonder I was a skinny kid, I worked my ass off for most of my childhood for almost nothing...minimum wage in 1972 was what, about $1.40 and I was damn glad to get it...
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Ever mow an acre with one of those old "whirly" push type mowers?
No wonder I was a skinny kid, I worked my ass off for most of my childhood for almost nothing...minimum wage in 1972 was what, about $1.40 and I was damn glad to get it...
Heck, make it 2 acres and we can talk. ;D
Man, oh man....I remember cropping tobacco from just after sunup to sundown and then laying irrigation pipes after dark.....for $21 a day.
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At 13 I started working with my Dad, Logging, selling firewood, and building. $5 an hour.
Biggest problem was 13 years later he was still paying me $5 an hour.
That was when I went to Vo Tec and started machining at T/C Arms.
For $4.50 :-\
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Working in the field with a hoe and rake. There is a lot to do when the tractor is finished. Planting and picking cucumbers, peppers, corn, peas, peanuts, strawberries, eggplant...you name it. Strawberry picking was the worst. The fun came guarding the corn and stuff from the coons...give them time to get in the corn then flush 'em out with dogs so they'd run up the trees right at the edge of the field. You KNOW what came next via .22 LR.
Then there was the working in chicken houses from time to time. When the chickens were rotated out and the houses cleaned there was time to hunt rats at night...fun for a 14-15 year old with a pellet gun or rat shot.
Then there was the chain saw time cleaning up and collecting firewood.
I don't know what I made...not so much is all I can recall.
Strange, but that's the kind of stuff I'd rather be doing right now.
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Heck, make it 2 acres and we can talk. ;D
Man, oh man....I remember cropping tobacco from just after sunup to sundown and then laying irrigation pipes after dark.....for $21 a day.
fun stuff...
I couldn't get my own kid to make her own bed but, she's never stopped working since she turned 16 and doing far better than her friends who attended state colleges, mostly liberal arts majors...
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Most of us old farts have stories about how hard we worked as kids.
Back in the day, my best pal's dad was a general contractor. He'd employ us on Saturdays and over vacation days. Paid us $10-a-day for framing, nailing down sub flooring, pushing loads of cement, stacking lumber, or just about anything else nasty, dusty, hot, or hard that came up.
Those times he didn't have any work were filled with us straightening up his shop, cleaning up the yard, changing oil in the gas-powered equipment, or just messin' about with some of his power tools--and that was all for free.
As a reward for some of the "free" labor, the old man gave us an old Briggs and Stratton engine and access to his welding equipment. We built us a go-kart. And the results nearly killed off his work force.
I hadn't thought about this stuff for ages until I started reading this thread.
Man, I miss those days... (sigh)
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Most of us old farts have stories about how hard we worked as kids.
Back in the day, my best pal's dad was a general contractor. He'd employ us on Saturdays and over vacation days. Paid us $10-a-day for framing, nailing down sub flooring, pushing loads of cement, stacking lumber, or just about anything else nasty, dusty, hot, or hard that came up.
Those times he didn't have any work were filled with us straightening up his shop, cleaning up the yard, changing oil in the gas-powered equipment, or just messin' about with some of his power tools--and that was all for free.
As a reward for some of the "free" labor, the old man gave us an old Briggs and Stratton engine and access to his welding equipment. We built us a go-kart. And the results nearly killed off his work force.
I hadn't thought about this stuff for ages until I started reading this thread.
Man, I miss those days... (sigh)
Yeah, I hear ya. For me, since the time I was about 10 I spent my Saturdays, after school hours and summers moving hogs at a hog buying station. Smelly, dirty, hot work, but the $1.25 an hour they paid was AWESOME!! And the agent paid me out of his pocket cuz he was trying to keep me out of trouble.
Then in high school I started working at a roller rink......30-35 hours a week during the school year, and 80-90 hours during the summer at the rink at the local resort area. Still managed to find time for girls, however. Priorities, I guess. ;D
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That's what happens when folks believe that what they want and need will be the rewards of their hard work and won't be given to them by some government agency that stole it from those who do work.
Welfare not only steals money from those who work, it steals incentive and motivation from those it enslaves with "charity", generation after generation.