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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: twyacht on August 01, 2011, 06:52:21 PM
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http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/08/we_the_stupid.html
We The Stupid
Ann Barnhardt
I stand here in abject stupefaction. The so-called "right" or "Tea Party" in this republic is being so thoroughly rolled and defeated that I am struggling to come up with an adequate violent submission metaphor that does not involve prison rape . . . and they honesty think that they're "winning." Really? You call this winning?
* - Obama gets over $2 Trillion to spend before the 2012 election
* - There are no real spending cuts
* - There is a massive tax increase effective January 1, 2013
Obama is going to be handed something in excess of $2 Trillion -- and he has made it perfectly clear that he will spend every penny of it before the November 2012 election. That's why he kept saying, " . . . so we don't have to do this again", meaning raise the debt ceiling again. The debt ceiling would only need to be raised if all of the money had been spent. Therefore, he has stated very clearly that he will spend every penny of any debt ceiling increase. He is going to burn through $2 Trillion-plus in the next sixteen months. This was the Obama regime's plan from day one. Geithner appeared before Congress in early May and told them this in no uncertain terms. This outcome has been a known quantity all along.
There are no spending cuts in this plan. It is all accounting fraud. Saying that you are not going to spend money in Afghanistan ten years from now is not spending cuts. Even if you accept the $1 Trillion in cuts over ten years propaganda, that is only $100 Billion per year, which is essentially meaningless relative to the size of the problem. Furthermore, even a miniscule uptick in interest rates, which given the massive debasement of our currency is now a mathematical certainty, will completely consume that $100 Billion per year. It's all a joke.
Back to the $2 Trillion that Obama is being handed. I honestly think that most people in this country have no understanding of simple counting numbers. Do you not understand how much a trillion is? Where do you think this money is going to come from -- who has two trillion dollars to loan us? China? Nope. Not even close. China's entire GDP is only $6 Trillion. Do you honestly think that China is going to loan us one third of their total annual economic production? China was a huge creditor to us back when $100 Billion was considered a staggeringly large amount of money - which was four years ago. Now $100 Billion is literally a rounding error. Do you realize that there are only a handful of nations of this planet that even have a GDP in excess of $2 Trillion? If these countries loaned us every penny of their GDP, it wouldn't even be $2 Trillion:
Canada ($1.57 T)
India ($1.54 T)
Russia ($1.46 T)
Are you starting to understand the scope of what we are talking about now? Obama is going to embezzle considerably more than the entire economic output of Canada, India or Russia to his cronies before the 2012 election -- and that is just counting this round of spending. This doesn't include the other $5 Trillion he has already burned through since 2009.
China is not going to lend us this money because they simply don't have anything close to that much money to lend. This $2 Trillion is going to come from the Federal Reserve. Where is the Federal Reserve going to get $2 Trillion? They are going to print it out of thin air. We are in the midst of the largest currency debasement ever seen in human history. There is only one result that can come of currency debasement: hyperinflation and total economic and societal collapse.
Have you also forgotten the so-called "Bush tax cuts"? Yeah. Those rates are going to expire on January 1, 2013. Obama will presumably still be occupying the Oval Office at that time assuming that he is not forcibly removed or that the Republic is still intact at that time. Taxes will increase significantly at that point, and the Congressional Budget Office has scored everything put before them given the fact of the massive tax increases on 1/1/2013. Do you understand that? When these Republicans and even these so-called "Tea Party Freshmen" tell you that there are no tax hikes in their "plan," they are consciously, willfully, knowingly lying to you through their teeth.
Finally, I do not understand how it can possibly be that conservative writers are still addressing Obama as if he is actually trying to help the economy, but his well-intentioned policies are failing.
Obama is the enemy. Obama is a Marxist-Communist usurper and puppet front for a cabal of Marxist-Communists who are actively trying to destroy the United States of America. Everything they have done, are doing, and will do has the single goal of collapsing and destroying the U.S. economy, military, constitutional government and culture. What part of "Marxist Revolution" do you not understand?
The Obama regime is not a failure. The Obama regime is not incompetent. The Obama regime has achieved more in two and a half years than anyone could have possibly foreseen. It has debased the currency by 50% of the GDP and guaranteed that our economy will collapse. It has looted the Treasury for more than the size of a top-ten economy and embezzled that wealth into the hands of their fellow Marxists in preparation for the final collapse of the United States. It has ground the economy of the United States to a screeching halt. It has destabilized the entire Muslim world and ensured that there will be a nuclear war centered around Israel within the decade.
The Obama regime has no interest whatsoever in "stimulus" or "getting folks back to work." How can you not understand this? How can we possibly win this war if we refuse to come to terms with the fact that we are in fact fighting a war.
God save the United States of America, because the people are far too stupid to do it themselves.
Ann Barnhardt is a livestock and grain commodity broker and marketing consultant, American patriot, traditional Catholic, and unwitting counter-revolutionary blogger. She can be reached through her business at www.barnhardt.biz.
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http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/08/we_the_stupid.html
We The Stupid
Ann Barnhardt
I stand here in abject stupefaction. The so-called "right" or "Tea Party" in this republic is being so thoroughly rolled and defeated that I am struggling to come up with an adequate violent submission metaphor that does not involve prison rape . . . and they honesty think that they're "winning." Really? You call this winning?
* - Obama gets over $2 Trillion to spend before the 2012 election
* - There are no real spending cuts
* - There is a massive tax increase effective January 1, 2013
Obama is going to be handed something in excess of $2 Trillion -- and he has made it perfectly clear that he will spend every penny of it before the November 2012 election. That's why he kept saying, " . . . so we don't have to do this again", meaning raise the debt ceiling again. The debt ceiling would only need to be raised if all of the money had been spent. Therefore, he has stated very clearly that he will spend every penny of any debt ceiling increase. He is going to burn through $2 Trillion-plus in the next sixteen months. This was the Obama regime's plan from day one. Geithner appeared before Congress in early May and told them this in no uncertain terms. This outcome has been a known quantity all along.
There are no spending cuts in this plan. It is all accounting fraud. Saying that you are not going to spend money in Afghanistan ten years from now is not spending cuts. Even if you accept the $1 Trillion in cuts over ten years propaganda, that is only $100 Billion per year, which is essentially meaningless relative to the size of the problem. Furthermore, even a miniscule uptick in interest rates, which given the massive debasement of our currency is now a mathematical certainty, will completely consume that $100 Billion per year. It's all a joke.
Back to the $2 Trillion that Obama is being handed. I honestly think that most people in this country have no understanding of simple counting numbers. Do you not understand how much a trillion is? Where do you think this money is going to come from -- who has two trillion dollars to loan us? China? Nope. Not even close. China's entire GDP is only $6 Trillion. Do you honestly think that China is going to loan us one third of their total annual economic production? China was a huge creditor to us back when $100 Billion was considered a staggeringly large amount of money - which was four years ago. Now $100 Billion is literally a rounding error. Do you realize that there are only a handful of nations of this planet that even have a GDP in excess of $2 Trillion? If these countries loaned us every penny of their GDP, it wouldn't even be $2 Trillion:
Canada ($1.57 T)
India ($1.54 T)
Russia ($1.46 T)
Are you starting to understand the scope of what we are talking about now? Obama is going to embezzle considerably more than the entire economic output of Canada, India or Russia to his cronies before the 2012 election -- and that is just counting this round of spending. This doesn't include the other $5 Trillion he has already burned through since 2009.
China is not going to lend us this money because they simply don't have anything close to that much money to lend. This $2 Trillion is going to come from the Federal Reserve. Where is the Federal Reserve going to get $2 Trillion? They are going to print it out of thin air. We are in the midst of the largest currency debasement ever seen in human history. There is only one result that can come of currency debasement: hyperinflation and total economic and societal collapse.
Have you also forgotten the so-called "Bush tax cuts"? Yeah. Those rates are going to expire on January 1, 2013. Obama will presumably still be occupying the Oval Office at that time assuming that he is not forcibly removed or that the Republic is still intact at that time. Taxes will increase significantly at that point, and the Congressional Budget Office has scored everything put before them given the fact of the massive tax increases on 1/1/2013. Do you understand that? When these Republicans and even these so-called "Tea Party Freshmen" tell you that there are no tax hikes in their "plan," they are consciously, willfully, knowingly lying to you through their teeth.
Finally, I do not understand how it can possibly be that conservative writers are still addressing Obama as if he is actually trying to help the economy, but his well-intentioned policies are failing.
Obama is the enemy. Obama is a Marxist-Communist usurper and puppet front for a cabal of Marxist-Communists who are actively trying to destroy the United States of America. Everything they have done, are doing, and will do has the single goal of collapsing and destroying the U.S. economy, military, constitutional government and culture. What part of "Marxist Revolution" do you not understand?
The Obama regime is not a failure. The Obama regime is not incompetent. The Obama regime has achieved more in two and a half years than anyone could have possibly foreseen. It has debased the currency by 50% of the GDP and guaranteed that our economy will collapse. It has looted the Treasury for more than the size of a top-ten economy and embezzled that wealth into the hands of their fellow Marxists in preparation for the final collapse of the United States. It has ground the economy of the United States to a screeching halt. It has destabilized the entire Muslim world and ensured that there will be a nuclear war centered around Israel within the decade.
The Obama regime has no interest whatsoever in "stimulus" or "getting folks back to work." How can you not understand this? How can we possibly win this war if we refuse to come to terms with the fact that we are in fact fighting a war.
God save the United States of America, because the people are far too stupid to do it themselves.
Ann Barnhardt is a livestock and grain commodity broker and marketing consultant, American patriot, traditional Catholic, and unwitting counter-revolutionary blogger. She can be reached through her business at www.barnhardt.biz.
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Right on the money as far as I am concerned. Right on the money.
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Bhwahahahaha! (My best evil overlord laugh).
FQ13 who is boarding his black helicopter and preparing to fly to Mars. ::) Did it occur to anyone that Reagan and W ran up the highest debts until BO and no one accused them of being a part of a conspiracy? Anybody ever ask why? Here's a clue, conspiracy theories are a load of crap. The only conspiracy is a bunch of politicians promising something for nothing and voters being dumb enough to buy it.
FQ13
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Your talking point of Reagan and W don't work anymore....BHO makes Carter look good.EVERYONE on the left accused Bush the Elder, and W of being a member of the Skulls frat,...(Kerry was too,...he served in Vietnam ya' know),...
The New World Order was all part of the vast right wing conspiracy,....Please,,,,Soros/ Cloward and Piven, Alnsky,...Bill Ayers,...HARDLY Right Wing,...
She presented FACTS...and I do agree that low information voters are dumb enough to still support the hope and changey thingy.
Got an extra seat on the helicopter? :-*
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Bhwahahahaha! (My best evil overlord laugh).
FQ13 who is boarding his black helicopter and preparing to fly to Mars. ::) Did it occur to anyone that Reagan and W ran up the highest debts until BO and no one accused them of being a part of a conspiracy? Anybody ever ask why? Here's a clue, conspiracy theories are a load of crap. The only conspiracy is a bunch of politicians promising something for nothing and voters being dumb enough to buy it.
FQ13
Wrong. Go read my other post you laughed at in the thread about building trucks in WWII - and once again I will keep this simple for you so maybe you can wrap your academia-addled brain around it
EVERY DAMN PRESIDENT SINCE JFK HAS BEEN IN ON THE DEAL. EVERY ONE.
Show me one president in that chain who actually did something substantial to stop the destruction of the American economy. Just one, FQ, that's all I ask.
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FQ spent to much time in college to be able to tell a "conspiracy theory" from a historic fact.
He is actually engaging in socialist SOP.
Ignore the facts, He has yet to reply to any evidence, such as my references to the "Frankfort School".
Change the subject, "Bush and Reagan did it too"
Attack, demean or ridicule the speaker and the subject.
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Attack, demean or ridicule the speaker and the subject.
Endearing qualities. At some point you begin to wonder if it's an act or a plan.
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Dialog according to Alinsky.
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More from this Tough Lady.
Copied from here http://infidelsunited.com/articles/271/ann-barnhardt-responds-to-death-threat%22
Stop by to see her picture carrying a pretty pink AR.
DEATH THREAT:
To:annbarnhardt
I'm going to kill you when I find you. Don't think I won't, I know where you and your parents live and I'll need is one phone-call to kil ya'll.
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ANN'S RESPONSE:
Re: Watch your back.
Hello mufcadnan123!
You don't need to "find" me. My address is 9175 Kornbrust Circle, Lone Tree, CO 80124.
Luckily for you, there are daily DIRECT FLIGHTS from Heathrow to Denver. Here's what you will need to do. After arriving at Denver and passing through customs, you will need to catch the shuttle to the rental car facility. Once in your rental car, take Pena Boulevard to I-225 south. Proceed on I-225 south to I-25 south. Proceed south on I-25 to Lincoln Avenue which is exit 193. Turn right (west) onto Lincoln. Proceed west to the fourth light, and turn left (south) onto Ridgegate Boulevard. Proceed south, through the roundabout to Kornbrust Drive. Turn left onto Kornbrust Drive and then take an immediate right onto Kornbrust Circle. I'm at 9175.
Just do me one favor. PLEASE wear body armor. I have some new ammunition that I want to try out, and frankly, close-quarter body shots without armor would feel almost unsporting from my perspective. That and the fact that I'm probably carrying a good 50 I.Q. points on you makes it morally incumbent upon me to spot you a tactical advantage.
However, being that you are a miserable, trembling coward, I realize that you probably are incapable of actually following up on any of your threats without losing control of your bowels and crapping your pants while simultaneously sobbing yourself into hyperventilation. So, how about this: why don't you contact the main mosque here in Denver and see if some of the local musloids here in town would be willing to carry out your attack for you? After all, this is what your "perfect man" mohamed did (pig excrement be upon him). You see, mohamed, being a miserable coward and a con artist, would send other men into battle to fight on his behalf. Mohamed would stay at the BACK of the pack and let the stupid, ignorant suckers like you that he had conned into his political cult do the actual fighting and dying. Mohamed would then fornicate with the dead men's wives and children. You should follow mohamed's example! Here is the contact info for the main mosque here in Denver:
Masjid Abu Bakr
Imam Karim Abu Zaid
2071 South Parker Road
Denver, CO 80231
Phone: 303-696-9800
Email: denvermosque@yahoo.com
I'm sure they would be delighted to hear from you. Frankly, I'm terribly disappointed that not a SINGLE musloid here in the United States has made ANY attempt to rape and behead me. But maybe I haven't made myself clear enough, so let me do that right now.
I will NEVER, EVER, EVER submit to islam. I will fight islam with every fiber of my being for as long as I live because islam is pure satanic evil. If you are really serious about islam dominating the United States and the world, you are going to have to come through me. You are going to have to kill me. Good luck with that. And understand that if you or some of your musloid boyfriends do actually manage to kill me, The Final Crusade will officially commence five minutes later, and then, despite your genetic mental retardation, you will be made to understand with crystal clarity what the word "defeat" means. Either way, I win, so come and get it.
Deo adjuvante non timendum-
Ann Barnhardt
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With balls as big as hers I don't see how she can even walk.
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FTA,
Just do me one favor. PLEASE wear body armor. I have some new ammunition that I want to try out, and frankly, close-quarter body shots without armor would feel almost unsporting from my perspective. That and the fact that I'm probably carrying a good 50 I.Q. points on you makes it morally incumbent upon me to spot you a tactical advantage.
That and the last two paragraphs. :o
Is she single?
I think we found the perfect woman for Tom... ;D
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Well written, succinct, accurate, and right-on. I'm falling in love all over again. This magnificent woman is/should be a National Treasure.
Submitted by an awed CRUSADER Rabbit
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FTA,
Just do me one favor. PLEASE wear body armor. I have some new ammunition that I want to try out, and frankly, close-quarter body shots without armor would feel almost unsporting from my perspective. That and the fact that I'm probably carrying a good 50 I.Q. points on you makes it morally incumbent upon me to spot you a tactical advantage.
That and the last two paragraphs. :o
Is she single?
I think we found the perfect woman for Tom... ;D
Could be ! ;D
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Could be ! ;D
Yer right on that one.
She won't be taking anyone's guff and can stand toe to toe with you on taking the harsh measures that are necessary. The only question is, "What's in it for her?" ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Musloids? MUSLOIDS? ? ?
Oh, man, I do love this woman dearly!!!!!
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No. No. Tell me what does she really feel?
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Yer right on that one.
She won't be taking anyone's guff and can stand toe to toe with you on taking the harsh measures that are necessary. The only question is, "What's in it for her?" ;D ;D ;D ;D
Plenty ;D
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Plenty ;D
Oh quit bragging! ;)
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Deo adjuvante, non timendum: With the help of God there is nothing to be afraid of.
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm182/twyacht/images-2.jpg)
When your AR matches your pumps,...you go girl...
http://island-adv.com/2011/05/new-sheriff-in-town-ann-barnhardt-fearless-against-islam-and-the-obama-syndicate/
She simply does not "f" around, and is quite serious and sincere enough to back it up.
Using bacon to bookmark passages in the Koran,....Gee...I wonder if she is related to General Pershing,...
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Just got done listening to Ms. Barnhardt on a radio program. You can find a "listen" button on her web page. You can also find a link to her YouTube page. I have not watched any of them yet, but one is addressed in the radio show. It is where she reads the Koran, one offensive verse at a time, then tears it from the book and burns it. This was the cause of the death threat.
Here is her description of the radio program.
This is from the Mike Siegel Show last night. I'm the first segment, and it runs a bit under 30 minutes. Lots of inspirational yelling at Americans to put on their man pants and stand and fight.
And it does appear that at certain very specific times, a strident tone and delivery is not only acceptable, but required. Sometimes vinegar does indeed trump honey.
Here web page is here http://www.barnhardt.biz/
She is 34 and single and goes armed all the time and thinks every American should do so.
And, Tom B., she sounds very much like you are her speech writer.
P.S. the YouTube of the Koran burning is Barnhardt-Graham Part2. Her unreserved opinion of Lindsey Graham is Part1.
It is in Part2 where she uses bacon to bookmark the Koran
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I'm in love ;D
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I'm in love ;D
Can't blame you :D
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More from Ann Barnhardt.
Raises serious questions about BHO's citizenship.
From her page: http://www.barnhardt.biz/
and a link to the full story from her page http://www.examiner.com/civil-rights-in-portland/justiagate
The definitive online law library service Justia.com has been caught red-handed via web caching services as having fraudulently removed all references to the definitive "Natural Born Citizen" SCOTUS decision, Minor vs. Happersett, from its entire library. This was done in early 2008, obviously front-running for Obama at the Obama campaign's bidding. Minor vs. Happersett explicitly defines "Natural Born Citizen", a standard which Obama obviously does not meet simply by virtue of the fact that his male DNA contributor was a Kenyan - regardless of Barry's physical place of birth.
In early 2008, every Heppersett reference was painstakingly removed by Justia.com. When the fraud was discovered last year, Justia.com then painstakingly returned the case law to its original, uncorrupted and unedited form. But the damage was already done.
Justia.com is run by a man named Tim Stanley. Mr. Stanley should be arrested and tried for treason and sedition. Sedition is defined as engaging in behavior designed to subvert the lawful order, namely the Constitution of the United States. Tim Stanley has committed a capital offense in facilitating the subversion of the Constitution in the person of Barack Obama. When are we going to start arresting traitors? How can this nation survive if treason and sedition are LAUGHED AT and men can literally shred the Constitution without compunction?
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Here's a link to the Minor Vs Happersett which Solus' link refers to but doesn't explain.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=88&page=162
I scanned through it but I do not see it's application to Obama
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The latest from the Lady....and she doesn't put "Rant Off" at the end either. You can find the whole thing at http://www.barnhardt.biz/
TRUTH: Barack Obama is a usurper. He is constitutionally ineligible to hold the office of the presidency, and he knows this, the entire Congress knows this, the entire upper-echelon of the military knows this, the entire intelligence community knows this, and the SCOTUS knows this. Barack Obama is an enemy of the United States, who is in a state of open, declared war upon it, its constitution and its people. This is the absence of truth. We are being “led” by a human lie, backed by an entire government of oath-breaking liars. Therefore, the government is illegitimate and has forfeited its licitness.
JUSTICE: The Rule of Law is effectively dead. From the presence of Obama himself in the White House, to the lawless Department of Justice, to Fast & Furious, to Solyndra, to the unconstitutional “czars” and “executive orders”, to the Federal Reserve, this is a society ruled by a government of men, not laws. When government is ruled by men and not laws, the determining criterion of how government relates to people becomes brute force of arms and violent coercion, and not transcendent truth. We are utterly deprived of justice by the government itself, and thus the federal government has lost forfeited its legitimacy.
SOLIDARITY: The government is inciting both race-centered, age-centered and class-based antagonism and violence. In declaring pre-born children non-human, a genocide has been legally sanctioned that has cost 50 million lives AND COUNTING. ObamaCare is poised to exterminate the elderly by determining that their lives are not worth living. The government is consciously and expressly trying to break down solidarity amongst citizens along race and class lines, and in that action it forfeits its legitimacy.
FREEDOM: From ObamaCare, to the TSA, to the forced acceptance of sexual perversions, to forced “political correctness”, to the overt support of Sharia law and muslim sedition, to the destruction of the Free Exercise and Equal Protection clauses, this government is working consciously and overly against fundamental human freedom, and has thus forfeited its legitimacy.
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I'm in love ;D
Ann Bogan.......kinda got a ring to it, no? And she wouldn't even have to change the monogram on her towels. ;D
Oh yeah, she'd make a helluva First Lady, too!!
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I will NEVER, EVER, EVER submit to islam. I will fight islam with every fiber of my being for as long as I live because islam is pure satanic evil. If you are really serious about islam dominating the United States and the world, you are going to have to come through me. You are going to have to kill me. Good luck with that. And understand that if you or some of your musloid boyfriends do actually manage to kill me, The Final Crusade will officially commence five minutes later, and then, despite your genetic mental retardation, you will be made to understand with crystal clarity what the word "defeat" means. Either way, I win, so come and get it.
Deo adjuvante non timendum-
Ann Barnhardt
:o Love it, and her also... ;)
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You do realize in addition to giving Musloids this challenge, she is counting on the rest of us to back her up or avenge her?
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You do realize in addition to giving Musloids this challenge, she is counting on the rest of us to back her up or avenge her?
And your point would be.......................................? ;D
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Just wanted to be sure I wouldn't be going it alone :D :D :D
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Seriously, in one of her posts, she states that she will take this stand and be willing to die first if it will bring this country to ridding itself of the threat of Islam.
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She also stated the Final Crusade will begin 5 minutes after....It won't even take that long.
She has a network of like minded folks in her inner circle, (and a larger group growing by the day).
http://www.infidelsunited.com/
WARNING: There are graphic and barbaric videos of the religion of Peace in action, against fellow Muslims. You actually think a Proud Infidel will be given any quarter?
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Just wanted to be sure I wouldn't be going it alone :D :D :D
Not likely.
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She has set herself up as an obvious tipping point. I would think her local mosque would be guarding her house at this point. The last thing they want is for her to be killed and start a jihad against them.
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She has set herself up as an obvious tipping point. I would think her local mosque would be guarding her house at this point. The last thing they want is for her to be killed and start a jihad against them.
That would be telling.
Most of the actions of Jihadists have the goal of just that...to start an all out war against Islam. Their beliefs tell them that when they can bring that about Allah will enter the fray and defeat all their opponents bringing about the prophesied world domination of Islam.
That the local mosque doesn't see that as a good thing is a good thing.....if only they would stop the teaching of that world domination tenant, it would be meaningful.
Sort of explains why trying for peace with a true Islamic entity is futile. They want and work for total all out war...that is their goal.
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That would be telling.
Most of the actions of Jihadists have the goal of just that...to start an all out war against Islam. Their beliefs tell them that when they can bring that about Allah will enter the fray and defeat all their opponents bringing about the prophesied world domination of Islam.
That the local mosque doesn't see that as a good thing is a good thing.....if only they would stop the teaching of that world domination tenant, it would be meaningful.
Sort of explains why trying for peace with a true Islamic entity is futile. They want and work for total all out war...that is their goal.
Look, its the Trotsky/Che view of revolution. What did it get them? Lenin had Trotsky whacked with a pick axe in Mexico, and Castro sent Che to die in a ditch in Bolivia. Revolutionaries outlive their usefulness after the revolution is won, and you actually need to start governing. The same is true of Islam. Look at Iran, the revolutionaries are lauded as martyrs, but its the practical guys who are calling the shots in Tehran. They (the ones in power) don't want all out war. They want an adjustment of the status quo that benefits them, but after the Iran Iraq War, they've had their bellyfull of anything beyond marginal gains. Its the ones out of power who have nothing to lose, who take the Trotsky/Che approach that the worse things get, the better it is as you are creating the grounds for a revolution. However, Che and Trotsky are dead, and its because cooler heads decided they preferred the status quo. I think that it will be the same with Islam. Its easy to praise a suicide bomber, but who is going to put the explosive vest on? Not the guys in power.
FQ13
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Sort of off topic ( surprise ;D ) but FQ wildly over simplified the conflict between Trotsky and Stalin.
Leon Trotsky was far more than a Che style trouble maker, and his revolutionary activities had nothing to do with Stalins hatred of him.
Trotsky, with no previous military experience took command of the Red revolutionary forces and built the Red Army from them, He was Lenin's hand picked successor and one of the few surviving Bolsheviks who was aware that Stalin had been an Okrana informant.
That was why he was exiled, to prevent him from challenging Stalin's power grab, but when he started writing from abroad that changed and he had to die.
You are right how ever about Che.
The darling of college students world wide, he had become an embarrassment, He attempted to spread revolution to the Dominican Republic and failed bloodily, He attempted to spread revolution to Africa, and failed bloodily, humiliating the Cuban military in the process. To get him out of his hair Castro sent him to Bolivia where he wandered around in the jungles uselessly until his East German KGB agent girl friend sold him out and finely got him killed, removing a PITA and creating a useful martyr to the cause.