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Member Section => Politics & RKBA => Topic started by: tombogan03884 on August 13, 2011, 08:35:50 PM
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Three good candidates, which is best and why ?
Any one who mentions that retread Ron Paul, or gives a stupid reason (He has a nice smile ) will be subjected to personal insult and ridicule.
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Perry.
I have some concerns (and will vote for anyone that gets the nomination) but anyone that carries an LCP to shoot coyotes while out for his morning run has got to be good for the country.
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Three good candidates, which is best and why ?
Any one who mentions that retread Ron Paul, or gives a stupid reason (He has a nice smile ) will be subjected to personal insult and ridicule.
You made it tempting. ;D ;D ;D
BUT,
(http://www.drpeterjweiss.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/bachmann.jpg)
“She’s relentless, tough and a tremendous supporter of the right to keep and bear arms,", and pretty! ;)
http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-news-section/69-69/5791-bachmann-to-gun-owners-be-qlocked-and-loadedq (http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-news-section/69-69/5791-bachmann-to-gun-owners-be-qlocked-and-loadedq)
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I wonder about Perry's appearance at the Bilderberger Group shin dig.
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Rastus, I think that may actually be a plus for Perry in that he has already been recognized as a political power on the world stage.
Remember, the goal is a working relationship between CIVILIZED countries, there are no members from Africa or Arabia invited.
This is edited to present the relevant facts, read the entire article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group
The Bilderberg Group, Bilderberg conference, or Bilderberg Club is an annual, unofficial, invitation-only conference of approximately 120 to 140 guests from North America and Western Europe, most of whom are people of influence.[1] About one-third are from government and politics, and two-thirds from finance, industry, labour, education and communications. Meetings are closed to the public and often feature future political leaders shortly before they become household names
The original conference was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg, near Arnhem in the Netherlands, from 29 May to 31 May 1954. It was initiated by several people, including Polish politician Józef Retinger, concerned about the growth of anti-Americanism in Western Europe, who proposed an international conference at which leaders from European countries and the United States would be brought together with the aim of promoting Atlanticism – better understanding between the cultures of the United States and Western Europe to foster cooperation on political, economic, and defense issues.[2] Retinger approached Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands who agreed to promote the idea, together with former Belgian Prime Minister Paul Van Zeeland, and the head of Unilever at that time, Dutchman Paul Rijkens. Bernhard in turn contacted Walter Bedell Smith, then head of the CIA, who asked Eisenhower adviser Charles Douglas Jackson to deal with the suggestion.[3] The guest list was to be drawn up by inviting two attendees from each nation, one of each to represent conservative and liberal points of view.[2] Fifty delegates from 11 countries in Western Europe attended the first conference, along with 11 Americans.[4]
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I voted, but if truth be told, it's still way too early to call. You never know when someone can get a bad case of foot-n-mouth disease.
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How about none of the above, especially, Perry.
If Ron Paul is not in the race and those are my three choices, I will vote for Herman Cain, without a doubt.
But I know some of you love soft tyranny and will keep voting for the establishment candidate; you can't help it, you're a dumbass. And you will keep getting the bullsh!t we have right now. So don't bitch here when the establishment Republican wins and does the same things as Obama. A vote for Rick Perry is an equivalent vote for all of the other establishment candidates since Reagan. And if I can't have Herman Cain or Ron Paul, I will vote for some third party candidate. I am through playing the R vs. D game because both parties are really on the same team.
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Three good candidates, which is best and why ?
Any one who mentions that retread Ron Paul, or gives a stupid reason (He has a nice smile ) will be subjected to personal insult and ridicule.
You were warned.
I wondered who would be the first idiot.
Three choices, one rule, and you still screwed it up.
Ron Paul is the ultimate Washington insider, he's been running for Pres every election since 1988 and assholes like you can't figure out that he doesn't have a snowflakes chance in hell.
Any one who votes third party is an idiot who only helps the Dems.
Read history, the ONLY 3rd party candidate to ever win the Presidency was Lincoln.
I voted, but if truth be told, it's still way too early to call. You never know when someone can get a bad case of foot-n-mouth disease.
I haven't yet, the only one I would consider discounting so far is Cain.
But that is ONLY because I think BO may have poisoned the well for any black candidate from any party.
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I wondered who would be the first idiot.
Three choices, one rule, and you still screwed it up.
Ron Paul is the ultimate Washington insider, he's been running for Pres every election since 1988 and assholes like you can't figure out that he doesn't have a snowflakes chance in hell.
Any one who votes third party is an idiot who only helps the Dems.
Read history, the ONLY 3rd party candidate to ever win the Presidency was Lincoln.
Tom,
When you advocate assassinating politicians and beating women because they don't have your dinner ready, I give none of your opinions any respect. So I will take no lectures from you, you low-rent son of a bitch.
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Tom,
When you advocate assassinating politicians
Don't forget hanging, I advocate hanging the SOBs as well
and beating women because they don't have your dinner ready,
I don't recall that particular comment, but since the "Religion of Peace" recommends beating your wives every week, I guess your just an insensitive Bigot
I give none of your opinions any respect. So I will take no lectures from you, you low-rent son of a bitch.
Is that the best you can do ? My Mother used harsher language than that on her tuition bills.
Then why read, let alone post, in a thread I started ?
You don't like my idea's ?
TS, at least I have suggestions, whats yours ?
More of the same failed practices .
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Got an E mail from the Cain campaign with the Iowa straw poll results.
I find it interesting and amusing that the MSM's "frontrunner" came in 7th
Today, at the Ames (Iowa) Straw Poll, the 2012 Republican nomination campaign kicked into high gear. While the main-stream-media will create a story that depicts today's winner as the clear front-runner for the GOP nomination, that is not necessarily the truth.
History has shown that this contest is not indicative of the outcome of the actual caucus votes that truly matter in early 2012. For example, George H.W. Bush won the straw poll in 1979, yet America went on to elect one of our greatest Presidents...Ronald Reagan.
I have said from the beginning that I would not buy a straw poll victory. We worked hard. We organized. We turned our supporters out to the Straw Poll. While I did not place 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, I am happy with our strong placing. I spent less money, had less name ID than the front runners, but our strong showing is evidence of the deep support for a non-politician problem solver who has the courage and conviction to change the way things work in Washington. I beat better known, better funded politicians...including those who have held titles like Governor and Speaker of the House.
Straw Poll Results
Michelle Bachman - 4,823
Ron Paul - 4, 621
Tim Pawlenty - 2, 293
Rick Santorum - 1,657
Herman Cain - 1, 456
Rick Perry - 718
Mitt Romney - 567
Newt Gingrich - 385
Jon Huntsman - 69
Thaddeus McCotter - 35
Scattering - 162
Many individuals told our campaign workers they would have switched their votes had they had opportunity to vote after hearing my speech. I truly believe that we will reach the top in the real Iowa caucuses (as well as in the nomination) as my name ID increases and my message of Common Sense Solutions spreads across America.
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I saw on Meet the Press where Pawlenty is dropping out today.
David Gregory had Bachman on and had the nerve to comment/ask about how her "limited legislative experience" related to her "qualifications" to be PotUS. Considering she was a state senator and is/was a three-term (I think) US Representative, that puts her, what, several YEARS ahead of our CURRENT Commander in Thief in the "legislative experience" department?
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I like what all three have been saying but I haven't looked into their records or accomplishments. Bachman and Cain have business experience and Perry has a proven record of eliminating the BS that businesses have to endure and has created more jobs in Texas than all the rest of the states combined.
While I don't care about of the color or ones skin, Cain probably won't become the second black POTUS...the first didn't work out as planned.
Perry and Bachman, at this point I gotta go with the Texan and maybe Bachman as the VP on the ticket. They'd carry a larger portion of the independents through the election.
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I like what all three have been saying but I haven't looked into their records or accomplishments. Bachman and Cain have business experience and Perry has a proven record of eliminating the BS that businesses have to endure and has created more jobs in Texas than all the rest of the states combined.
While I don't care about of the color or ones skin, Cain probably won't become the second black POTUS...the first didn't work out as planned.
Perry and Bachman, at this point I gotta go with the Texan and maybe Bachman as the VP on the ticket. They'd carry a larger portion of the independents through the election.
True on the first statement in bold, and I see potential in the second. Time will tell.
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Perry for sure but I think he has to go with a woman or a 'minority' for veep, I'm thinking Rubio -
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Perry for sure but I think he has to go with a woman or a 'minority' for veep, I'm thinking Rubio -
Interesting, Rubio would be a good VP choice for any of the 3
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Yep a first term minority senator. That's worked out so well. I at least have learned. What's y'all's excuse? ;D
FQ13
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Has anyone verified Rubios immigration status to become the POTUS?
I know he was born here of Cuban immigrants but didn't look any further into it.
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Has anyone verified Rubios immigration status to become the POTUS?
I know he was born here of Cuban immigrants but didn't look any further into it.
That's all it takes.
FQ13
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Yep a first term minority senator. That's worked out so well. I at least have learned. What's y'all's excuse? ;D
FQ13
That hurt.
But this time its for the associate position, not the top spot. ;D
Haven't you ever heard of APPRENTICESHIP. ;D
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RUBIO parents were not citizens when he was born and he does not qualify for POTUS.Same as BOHO.
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US Constitution, Article II, Section 1
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
His parents status is irrelevant. Kind of like an "anchor baby."
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Yep a first term minority senator. That's worked out so well. I at least have learned. What's y'all's excuse? ;D
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Right again FQ, Biden was first elected senator in 1972 and he's doing a bang up job :)
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Yep a first term minority senator. That's worked out so well. I at least have learned. What's y'all's excuse? ;D
FQ13
Senators rarely get elected and don't necessarily make the best Presidents anyway! In modern history, I believe that JFK was the only other Senator to become POTUS. It's up for debate if he was a good one or not...I'm going with not!
The other has already proven he ain't going to be nominated to the Hall of Fame!
edit....I forgot about Truman, Johnson and Nixon but you get the drift.....not exactly stellar Presidencies...
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Got an E mail from the Cain campaign with the Iowa straw poll results.
I find it interesting and amusing that the MSM's "frontrunner" came in 7th
Today, at the Ames (Iowa) Straw Poll, the 2012 Republican nomination campaign kicked into high gear. While the main-stream-media will create a story that depicts today's winner as the clear front-runner for the GOP nomination, that is not necessarily the truth.
History has shown that this contest is not indicative of the outcome of the actual caucus votes that truly matter in early 2012. For example, George H.W. Bush won the straw poll in 1979, yet America went on to elect one of our greatest Presidents...Ronald Reagan.
I have said from the beginning that I would not buy a straw poll victory. We worked hard. We organized. We turned our supporters out to the Straw Poll. While I did not place 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, I am happy with our strong placing. I spent less money, had less name ID than the front runners, but our strong showing is evidence of the deep support for a non-politician problem solver who has the courage and conviction to change the way things work in Washington. I beat better known, better funded politicians...including those who have held titles like Governor and Speaker of the House.
Straw Poll Results
Michelle Bachman - 4,823
Ron Paul - 4, 621
Tim Pawlenty - 2, 293
Rick Santorum - 1,657
Herman Cain - 1, 456
Rick Perry - 718
Mitt Romney - 567
Newt Gingrich - 385
Jon Huntsman - 69
Thaddeus McCotter - 35
Scattering - 162
Many individuals told our campaign workers they would have switched their votes had they had opportunity to vote after hearing my speech. I truly believe that we will reach the top in the real Iowa caucuses (as well as in the nomination) as my name ID increases and my message of Common Sense Solutions spreads across America.
Looks like Rick Perry did amazingly well in the straw poll, especially considering his name wasn't on the ballot. All Perry's votes were write-ins.
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Governors are supposed to make the best Presidents because the job is basically the same.
They don't do foreign policy, but they do have to relate to other states. About the only things they don't deal with are Naval affairs and the Post Office.
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Governors are supposed to make the best Presidents because the job is basically the same.
They don't do foreign policy, but they do have to relate to other states. About the only things they don't deal with are Naval affairs and the Post Office.
Dealing with the cmmonuist/socialist/progressive/douchebag Washington elite doesn't qualify as "foreign" policy?
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Our foreign policy should be shelved until we get our domestic and fiscal policies in working order. Until then, with the exception of those countries who actually defend us and our policies, the rest can just sit and rot!
Timothy, who's waiting for a response from our resident libertarian progressive misguided professor!
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Governors are supposed to make the best Presidents because the job is basically the same.
They don't do foreign policy, but they do have to relate to other states. About the only things they don't deal with are Naval affairs and the Post Office.
Didn't work all that well with Carter 1.0................. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
But I get what you meant, and for the most part agree. Should be a direct step up with a shallower learning curve.
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I look fwd. to seeing Perry and Bachmann advance. Cain, appoint to chair the FED. I don't think he'll go all the way. As of today's daily Gallup approval numbers, BHO drops BELOW 40%.
Bobo the clown would beat him if the election were held today.
Perry just because ANOTHER Texas Gov. to White House would make the Libs whine, squirm, bitch and moan.
Bachmann, just because a Conservative woman, NOT a Hillary, was the first woman elected. (See reference to Libs. above)... ;D
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Perry is the Texas version of Bill Clinton....he can sound good to whomever he's talking to at the time....social conservatives, business leaders, Tea Party, RHINO's, etc.....he's a master at target marketing.
The problem I have with Perry is that he brings a lot of baggage with him into the race, such as:
1. Approving an illegal income tax: http://www.kutnews.org/post/suit-alleges-perry-approved-unconstitutional-income-tax
2. Controversy with the Texas Enterprise Fund: http://www.statesman.com/news/texas-politics/report-texas-enterprise-fund-falls-short-on-jobs-904912.html, http://info.tpj.org/watchyourassets/enterprise2/index
3. Selling Texas-built roads to foreign companies: http://www.statesman.com/news/local/perrys-toll-road-sins-mostly-in-woulda-coulda-193585.html
4. Using state funds to bring Formula 1 Racing to Austin, and charges of bribery on the F1 head: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/8648669/Formula-One-chief-executive-Bernie-Ecclestone-formally-accused-of-paying-bribe.html, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/11/texas-teacher-layoffs_n_860447.html
5. Wishy-washy illegal alien policies: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/rick-perrys-immigration-journey-could-haunt-presidential-race.php, http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/rick-perrys-immigration-journey-could-haunt-presidential-race.php
6. Massive cuts to education in Texas while other business-related projects remain untouched: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7465134.html, http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015476534_perry01.html, http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43525
Perry's been good at letting his policy controversies slide off his back in Texas....but I don't think he'll be as successful in the national media. And I'd rather see him get trounced in the GOP primary by a good candidate than to win the Repub nomination and get blasted by all of this in the general election....and guarantee Obama a second go at gutting our nation....
I picked Cain....but I'd be just as happy with Bachmann or Santorum....
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Senators rarely get elected and don't necessarily make the best Presidents anyway! In modern history, I believe that JFK was the only other Senator to become POTUS. It's up for debate if he was a good one or not...I'm going with not!
The other has already proven he ain't going to be nominated to the Hall of Fame!
edit....I forgot about Truman, Johnson and Nixon but you get the drift.....not exactly stellar Presidencies...
And that was after having been Vice President.
OK scratch Rubio ;D
The only reason JFK is remembered "fondly" is because he and Jackie looked good on TV , just like the Clinton's.
The only high point in his administration was the Cuban missile Crisis and he handled that with a back room deal, not the "eyeball to eyeball" stand off it's depicted as. We pulled our nukes out of Turkey right after the Soviets pulled theirs out of Cuba.
He had a bunch of civil rights legislation that didn't go any where until Johnson rammed it through.
The only reason anyone remembers him is for getting his head blown off on video.
Perry is the Texas version of Bill Clinton....he can sound good to whomever he's talking to at the time....social conservatives, business leaders, Tea Party, RHINO's, etc.....he's a master at target marketing.
The problem I have with Perry is that he brings a lot of baggage with him into the race, such as:
1. Approving an illegal income tax: http://www.kutnews.org/post/suit-alleges-perry-approved-unconstitutional-income-tax
Seems politically motivated, Kay Bailey Hutchison is scum, if she hates Perry I'm for Perry
2. Controversy with the Texas Enterprise Fund: http://www.statesman.com/news/texas-politics/report-texas-enterprise-fund-falls-short-on-jobs-904912.html, http://info.tpj.org/watchyourassets/enterprise2/index
"fell short of projected" Texas still created more jobs than the rest of the nation combined, again, seems politically motivated
3. Selling Texas-built roads to foreign companies: http://www.statesman.com/news/local/perrys-toll-road-sins-mostly-in-woulda-coulda-193585.html
FTA "But Hutchison's campaign is treating the corridor plan — and its potential taking of farmland — as if it still has a pulse, foreign toll road leases like they're proliferating, and toll conversions as if they have a chance of happening (even Perry has disowned the strategy, and they now require a public vote). She's right in that Perry did want to do all those things, and probably still would if the politics were right. But they're not. Seems like another politically motivated attack by a woman who has proven herself to be a RINO, versus Perry, who is man enough to dump a bad idea.
4. Using state funds to bring Formula 1 Racing to Austin, and charges of bribery on the F1 head: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/8648669/Formula-One-chief-executive-Bernie-Ecclestone-formally-accused-of-paying-bribe.html, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/11/texas-teacher-layoffs_n_860447.html
I wouldn't believe the Huffington Post if they said grass was green, That being said our lousy showing in test scores versus other countries proves that money isn't the answer to lousy teaching and lazy students. It is suspicious that no mention is made of how much revenue will be generated by the races. We have a couple Indy car, and 2 Nascar races up here and they generate a buttload of money for the local economy.
5. Wishy-washy illegal alien policies: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/rick-perrys-immigration-journey-could-haunt-presidential-race.php, http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/rick-perrys-immigration-journey-could-haunt-presidential-race.php
FTA;"a failed attempt by the governor to crack down on "sanctuary cities" with legislation that would free police officers to question people on their immigration status had poisoned the atmosphere completely. San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, who spoke before the governor, condemned Perry's bill as "easily the most anti-Latino agenda in more than a generation."
What's the problem ? Other than not getting it passed ? I've advocated the same thing.
6. Massive cuts to education in Texas while other business-related projects remain untouched: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7465134.html, http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015476534_perry01.html, http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43525
Covered above, $ is not the cure for crappy teaching and lazy students. America spends more than any other country, and ranks around 15th in test scores.
Perry's been good at letting his policy controversies slide off his back in Texas....but I don't think he'll be as successful in the national media. And I'd rather see him get trounced in the GOP primary by a good candidate than to win the Repub nomination and get blasted by all of this in the general election....and guarantee Obama a second go at gutting our nation....
Good point
I picked Cain....but I'd be just as happy with Bachmann or Santorum....
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Didn't work all that well with Carter 1.0................. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
But I get what you meant, and for the most part agree. Should be a direct step up with a shallower learning curve.
Was Carter as shitty a Governor as he was a President? If so, maybe we should say "GOOD Governors make better Presidents than do Senators".
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6. Massive cuts to education in Texas while other business-related projects remain untouched: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7465134.html, http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015476534_perry01.html, http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=43525
Covered above, $ is not the cure for crappy teaching and lazy students. America spends more than any other country, and ranks around 15th in test scores.
I listened to an interview with Michelle Rhee whom I would label a flaming liberal who was the Supt. of Schools under Mayor Fenty (who lost the Heller case) in DC. In her first year as Supt., she closed 23 schools and fired 40% of the principals. Although the "community activists" hollered their heads off, they were facing a system that included a bloated HQ bureaucracy (over a 1000 people when she started, less than half that when she left), reading scores for 8th graders that showed 13% were at or above grade level, and math scores showing 8% at or above grade level.
No one is calling for her head - at the moment - but then she is not running for political office (although she is currently dating the mayor of Sacramento). AND - she is a liberal. If TX faced something similar, I would expect Perry to make changes. I agree with Tom - this all looks politically motivated. Texans, give us something of substance about Perry.
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It occurred to me last night that Cain does not have previous political experience.
If I'm wrong on that, let me know.
While we do not want a Washington "good old boy" it would probably be best to elect some one who does know how to manipulate political controls.
Remember how much trouble Arnie got in during his first term ?
It was primarily due to not being familiar with the process, and as a result, in order to even remain in office he had to bend over backwards to please the opposition.
I'm not condemning Cain, nor am I excusing Arnie, I'm just putting my thoughts out for consideration.
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Here's a good one, remember earlier in this thread I posted the Iowa straw poll results ? (pg #2 )
Bachman won. Out of about 17,000 votes Romney got less than 700, finishing a miserable 7th place after campaigning since the beginning of the last primary season.
Perry on the other hand,also under 1,000 but since he wasn't on the ballot, in fact, he had not even confirmed he was running, and he still beat Romney purely on write in votes.
Here's how the MSM views it : ::)
It seems to me, that by falsely promoting Romney, a noted RINO who instituted "MassCare", an alleged inspiration for ObamaCare, and signed Mass' permanent Assault weapon ban with out a fight, that, as with their hype of McCain in 08 the media are attempting to promote the one candidate who has the ability to lose to Obama.
In my opinion there is not enough money in the world to enable an Obama win, the only ones who can get Obama reelected are the Republicans.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/exclusive/despite-bachmann-success-real-gop-race-now-perry-130324604.html
By Beth Reinhard
National Journal
Until now, the biggest question looming over the 2012 Republican primary was who would emerge as the leading alternative to the nominal front-runner, Mitt Romney.
We now know the answer to that question: Rick Perry.
Sure, Perry jumped into the race only one day ago and needs to prove he's worthy of the national stage. Yes, Michele Bachmann is the one who boxed Tim Pawlenty out of the race with her triumph in the Iowa Straw Poll on Saturday.
But it is the governor of the great big state of Texas, not the Minnesota congresswoman, who poses the biggest threat to Romney from here on out. That's because Perry boasts that killer combination of assets: the power to grab hold of voters -- which Bachmann shares -- plus a concrete record of creating jobs. It's the rhetoric plus the results, the inspiration layered on top of the perspiration.
(RELATED: Governor Pawlenty vs. Candidate Pawlenty)
The void in Bachmann's resume was laid bare in Thursday's Fox News debate, when she cited the "Light Bulb Freedom of Choice Act'' as one of her biggest accomplishments. In an interview on Sunday with CNN's Candy Crowley, all she could point to was her education reform agenda as a state lawmaker in Minnesota.
"The Republican nominee and the next president of the United States is going to be Rick Perry or Mitt Romney,'' said Fred Malek, a top Republican money man who ran George H.W. Bush's 1992 campaign. "Michele Bachmann has struck a real chord on the issues important to conservatives, but what we need is a governor with proven record of job creation, deficit reduction, and other accomplishments.''
A member of the House has not been crowned a party nominee since James Garfield in 1880. Bachmann's victory in a mock, Midwestern election dominated by the fringes of the Republican Party only served to highlight her narrow appeal. In contrast, both Perry and Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, have won statewide elections with Democratic and independent votes.
(RELATED: Obama's economy—or not?)
Mounting anger with President Obama over the economy's woes makes it unlikely that voters will take another chance on a crowd-rousing lawmaker who lacks executive experience.
"Republicans feel that if we lose the election, we lose the country,'' said Alex Castellanos, a Republican strategist for George W. Bush who advised Romney's 2008 campaign. "We are not going to nominate somebody who has no chance of winning enough votes to defeat Barack Obama.''
The Romney-Perry showdown seemed unlikely months ago, but came to the fore in recent weeks as Pawlenty continued to fizzle and Perry lined up donors and strategists. Pawlenty's exit on Sunday and Perry's announcement on Saturday just made the two-man race official.
Bachmann defeated Pawlenty because she managed to make him look weak, a feat she is unlikely to engineer with the swaggering three-term governor of Texas.
(RELATED: President Obama's path to reelection narrows)
As for the rest of the field, few people outside of Jon Huntsman's campaign can envision his path to the nomination. Ron Paul is a cult figure, not a party standard-bearer. Rick Santorum beat expectations in the straw poll, but his main role in the race has been to needle the other candidates.
The next potential watershed in the rapidly changing race will be the debate sponsored by NBC News and Politico in Simi Valley, Calif., the first time Perry will be lined up next to his rivals on national television. Two more debates in two weeks, both in Florida, will keep the candidates on their toes.
"The real question for Perry is how he adjusts to being an official presidential candidate, because it's unlike anything else,'' said Republican strategist Jim Dyke. "It exposes candidates in ways they couldn't have fathomed or trained for. It's something you can't teach.''
Romney has already started pivoting toward Perry in recent days, emphasizing his success as a corporate executive above all else. Perry can't point to experience in the private sector. While Romney would never have wished for a challenger as potentially formidable as Perry, he will be a much tougher nominee in the general election if he is able to defeat Perry, just as Obama was strengthened by his epic primary battle with Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2008.
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I went for Perry, but with some misgivings. He has a colorful past as something less than a conservative. Heck, he backed Al Gore, for gosh sakes.
But, converts are frequently the greatest zealots.
Now that he has had his Road to Damascus Moment I think we'd tend to see eye to eye on many topics.
Plus, I think he is electable.
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I went for Perry, but with some misgivings. He has a colorful past as something less than a conservative. Heck, he backed Al Gore, for gosh sakes.
But, converts are frequently the greatest zealots.
Now that he has had his Road to Damascus Moment I think we'd tend to see eye to eye on many topics.
Plus, I think he is electable.
Let's hope it was a real moment and not one for show.
I agree on the electability, just don't know who he really is.
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Let's hope it was a real moment and not one for show.
I agree on the electability, just don't know who he really is.
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read my latest post here.
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OK. You all know who I support but this thread is about three other candidates so I'll give you my take on them. I'll start with the one I like most of the three and go from there.
Herman Cain
I like his authenticity, he doesn't have that politician feel to him. I know that's completely subjective but a big part of this process are the subjective factors each of us decide is important to us. Another thing I like about him is has executive experience. The man knows how to come up with a vision and sell it to others. He has the right values to me. He is a social conservative as well as a fiscal conservative. Admittedly, I don't know much about him beyond the basic stuff that I have read in the media but what I have read I like.
Michelle Bachman
I like the fact she voted against raising the debt ceiling and voted against Obaminy Care. But based on her background as a lawyer who sued tax payers on behalf of the IRS, I question her core fiscal values as a conservative, wannabe libertarian. She also has voted consistently to take some of our civil rights away (Patriot Act). For me, when someone calls themselves a conservative I'm going to look at how they stand not just on the traditional issues that have defined what a conservative is but also issues that have typically been the domain of liberals. Michelle Bachman gives me pause when I use that yardstick.
Rick Perry
I really am concerned about this guy for several reasons. He ran Al Gore's campaign in Texas back in 1988. One doesn't get to that level being on the fence. I still believe he is a collectivist and I believe these convictions will be manifest should he become president. Then there is his attendance to the Bilderberg conference in 1997. For those of you who don't know this is a super-secret invitation only event. Many government officials from around the world, and business leaders from around the world, get together to discuss and form strategy on a global scale. The people who attend this conference are globalists who wish to diminish or eliminate national sovereignty. Again, fence sitters are not welcome there. They only invite those who are willing to drink from the cup of globalism. And let's not forget his foot dragging on putting a bill backon the calendar that would have made TSA groping a felony in Texas. When it finally got back on the calendar in the special session, enough house members had been contacted by the government to change their votes and the bill died. That one stinks...In short, "Slick" Rick Perry is an example of an establishment candidate we do not need. I know he says all the right things but I would encourage everyone to do their research; this goes double for me....
Thanks!
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Let's hope it was a real moment and not one for show.
I agree on the electability, just don't know who he really is.
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read my latest post here.
Here's the thread
http://www.downrange.tv/forum/index.php?topic=17248.0
To go straight to the linked article click here
http://www.redstate.com/izoneguy/2011/08/14/seventeen-17-things-that-critics-are-saying-about-rick-perry/
OK. You all know who I support but this thread is about three other candidates so I'll give you my take on them. I'll start with the one I like most of the three and go from there.
Herman Cain
I like his authenticity, he doesn't have that politician feel to him. I know that's completely subjective but a big part of this process are the subjective factors each of us decide is important to us. Another thing I like about him is has executive experience. The man knows how to come up with a vision and sell it to others. He has the right values to me. He is a social conservative as well as a fiscal conservative. Admittedly, I don't know much about him beyond the basic stuff that I have read in the media but what I have read I like.
I agree with everything you say here . My 2 questions are 1, has Obummer poisoned the well for black candidates ?
2, While he has executive experience, is that enough to allow him to wield political power effectively.
I can run the crap out of CNC milling machines, and CNC punch presses, but I can't do anything on a CNC lathe, the controls are different.
Michelle Bachman
I like the fact she voted against raising the debt ceiling and voted against Obaminy Care. But based on her background as a lawyer who sued tax payers on behalf of the IRS, I question her core fiscal values as a conservative, wannabe libertarian. She also has voted consistently to take some of our civil rights away (Patriot Act). For me, when someone calls themselves a conservative I'm going to look at how they stand not just on the traditional issues that have defined what a conservative is but also issues that have typically been the domain of liberals. Michelle Bachman gives me pause when I use that yardstick.
I'm not familiar with her career with IRS, I will say, we already have a butt load of Lawyers in DC. That's part of the problem, lawyers never actually produce anything but arguments that disregard right and wrong in favor of the placement of a comma in a document.
Her support of the Patriot Act is perfectly in line with the Conservative principle of a strong National Defense, also people like the Ft Hood shooter, (He was shot in the act, in front of dozens of witnesses, there is no alleged. ) shows that there are those in the country who we need to be suspicious of.
One problem I have with her is that she supposedly suffers from migraines, I have worked with a guy who had that problem and when one hit him he was barely functional the rest of the shift.
On the other hand he returned to active duty as an Army Combat Engineer.
Rick Perry
I really am concerned about this guy for several reasons. He ran Al Gore's campaign in Texas back in 1988. One doesn't get to that level being on the fence. I still believe he is a collectivist and I believe these convictions will be manifest should he become president. Then there is his attendance to the Bilderberg conference in 1997. For those of you who don't know this is a super-secret invitation only event. Many government officials from around the world, and business leaders from around the world, get together to discuss and form strategy on a global scale. The people who attend this conference are globalists who wish to diminish or eliminate national sovereignty. Again, fence sitters are not welcome there. They only invite those who are willing to drink from the cup of globalism. And let's not forget his foot dragging on putting a bill backon the calendar that would have made TSA groping a felony in Texas. When it finally got back on the calendar in the special session, enough house members had been contacted by the government to change their votes and the bill died. That one stinks...In short, "Slick" Rick Perry is an example of an establishment candidate we do not need. I know he says all the right things but I would encourage everyone to do their research; this goes double for me....
These and several other issues are covered in TW's link, check it out, it's long, but worth it.
Thanks!
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"I agree with everything you say here . My 2 questions are 1, has Obummer poisoned the well for black candidates ?
2, While he has executive experience, is that enough to allow him to wield political power effectively.
I can run the crap out of CNC milling machines, and CNC punch presses, but I can't do anything on a CNC lathe, the controls are different."
Tom, I don't think Obama has poisoned it too much. Let's face it he may be the one of the worst if not the worst president we ever had, but I think he is light years ahead of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Cain steps in and offers a good choice for conservatives.
As for the second question, I have to say that is an excellent question for which I don't have an adequate answer. My best answer is his executive experience trumps Obama's community organizing but someone who ran a lemonade stand would qualify on that standard. ;)
On Michelle Bachman, you make some good points...
As for Rick Perry, I will check out TWs link and do my due diligence.
Thanks!
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"I agree with everything you say here . My 2 questions are 1, has Obummer poisoned the well for black candidates ?
2, While he has executive experience, is that enough to allow him to wield political power effectively.
I can run the crap out of CNC milling machines, and CNC punch presses, but I can't do anything on a CNC lathe, the controls are different."
Tom, I don't think Obama has poisoned it too much. Let's face it he may be the one of the worst if not the worst president we ever had, but I think he is light years ahead of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Cain steps in and offers a good choice for conservatives.
As for the second question, I have to say that is an excellent question for which I don't have an adequate answer. My best answer is his executive experience trumps Obama's community organizing but someone who ran a lemonade stand would qualify on that standard. ;)
On Michelle Bachman, you make some good points...
As for Rick Perry, I will check out TWs link and do my due diligence.
Thanks!
-FA
That was why I started this thread. I still haven't voted in my own poll because I still have not made up my mind.
It is imperative that we find the right candidate that the most people can support.
The most important votes are not the national election where Dems will vote D and Rep will vote R, it is the primaries where we pick the D and R candidates.
We really screwed the pooch last time.
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I thought Bachmann was a Governor ?
This article says Congresswoman.
Note how they skip over Cain and the others who beat Romney .
http://news.yahoo.com/pecking-order-gop-field-shifts-race-wh-211957404.html
DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Suddenly facing two serious rivals, GOP front-runner Mitt Romney declared on Monday his business background sets him apart in the presidential race and dismissed the buzz over emerging challengers as "the political winds of the day." Rick Perry insisted no one could go "toe to toe" with him, and rising star Michele Bachmann tried to turn her Iowa straw poll victory into gains against both men.
In less than a week, the slow-to-begin race for the Republican nomination has accelerated and undergone a dramatic shift, essentially becoming a three-way contest for the chance to challenge President Barack Obama next year.
Romney, who has been riding high for months while other Republicans have been struggling to emerge from the pack, now finds himself facing two significant foes in Perry, the Texas governor who formally entered the race only Saturday, and Bachmann, the Minnesota congresswoman who won the Iowa straw poll that same day.
"It's a wide-open race," Gov. Terry Branstad declared after a five-day stretch that saw every Republican presidential candidate show up in his state, where party caucuses kick off the GOP nomination fight next winter. While Perry entered the nomination battle, former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, exited, further reshuffling the deck.
Over the next few months, Romney, Bachmann and Perry will try to win over a GOP electorate angry at the change Obama has brought and looking for a candidate who has the right mix of credentials to beat the incumbent Democrat.
More at link
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After conversing with some folks whose political knowledge I respect:
Rubio is too valuable in the senate to be veep.
Cruz is the ultimate 'up & comer'
Bachman needs to lose some 'DIVA' ism
MP
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I just got this from Cain
Herman's Weekly Commentary: "Inside the presidential debate: A missed opportunity for the voters"
Published: Sunday, August 14, 2011
First, let’s clarify some of the media noise about my campaign and my intentions.
I am running for president, seeking the Republican nomination. I finished 5th in the Iowa straw-poll last Saturday ahead of six other candidates. The candidates who finished ahead of me spent millions on TV and radio advertising, and we spent $0.
We have no debt beyond travel and other expenses, which we settle within 30 days after the end of the month. We are raising money at a rate ahead of expenses. We are running the campaign like a business. What a novel idea, and it’s working!
With a national name ID of just 46 percent, I have no intentions of dropping out of the race. All of those predictions of the demise of my campaign are all self folly.
Now, last week all media eyes were on Iowa with the latest presidential debate and the Iowa straw poll. Both events are barometers of knowledge of the issues and their respective solutions, presentation, communication skills and how well a candidate can get his supporters to turn out for events. But neither event is a predictor of who will ultimately win the Republican Party’s nomination.
On most of the really important issues, the other candidates and I are not that far apart. We all generally agree on not raising taxes, reducing federal spending and the size of the federal government, and that the current administration has the nation headed in the wrong direction.
The differences in how we would each change that direction is what the public wants to know. But that was not easily apparent due to the way the questions were structured, and the disproportionate amount of time each candidate had on camera in front of a national Fox News audience. Most of the questions were directed at the politicians about what they had done, or not done, or said, or not said in the past to put them on the defensive – or to them against one another to spice up the exchange.
The fiery exchange set up between Representative Bachmann and Governor Pawlenty did not achieve a substantive outcome for the viewers. Both candidates were simply trying to hold their ground against each other over differences they had back in their home state of Minnesota. It was counter-productive.
During the break following former Speaker Newt Gingrich’s challenge to Chris Wallace about gotcha questions, I thanked him for doing so because gotcha questions were also counter-productive. Newt’s long political career gave him more inherent authority to do that without being perceived as a whiner.
And then there were the three questions from Chris Wallace to me, which I was suppose to answer in one minute, which was the time we were allowed to give a response – or we get that annoying bell indicating that we have gone on too long. During the following break, I pointed out to Chris that answering three questions in a minute was not practical. He vaguely agreed.
But I did manage to salvage part of that packed minute to point out my four-part solution to the immigration problem: Secure the border for real, enforce the laws that already exist, empower the states to enforce those laws, and promote the current legal path to citizenship. It’s called legal immigration.
As the lone businessman problem-solver, I had my hands full up against eight politicians in a tightly structured format. I was actually only on air for about 7.5 minutes of the two hour program, against the eight politicians who were all on camera longer except for one. Although Mitt Romney was a businessman early in his career, his tenure as a governor, as a previous presidential contender, and his on-going defense of RomneyCare makes him more of a politician.
One of the most rewarding moments for me was when I had the opportunity to distinguish myself as the candidate most focused on economic growth and jobs. I took advantage of two opportunities to give some specifics about my previously released economic vision for America (Commentaries on June 27,July 4 and July 11, 2011). Feedback from various sources suggested that the response connected with the audience.
Another enjoyable moment was when I responded to a question about being serious about securing the border with a moat with alligators and a barbed wire fence. Spontaneously, I simply said, “America needs to learn how to take a joke.”
Upon reflection, the American people do have much more of a sense of humor than a lot of media people, because people at rallies and town hall meetings get the joke. They laugh! Media people want to know if I’m serious. That’s a joke!
Although former Gov. Pawlenty has announced that he is ending his race after last Saturday’s Iowa straw poll, he was one of the most genuinely nice opponents in the race. I wish him well in wherever his future takes him.
Whereas the debate gave some people a chance to learn about some of the candidate’s ideas for solving problems, different people have different ideas about who won. So pick your favorite candidate and declare them the winner.
But clearly, the American people lost an opportunity to learn more than they did.
While I will cheerfully support any one of these three, I think I have to come down behind Perry.
Govs traditionally make the best Presidents (except that A hole carter ) and the biggest problems facing America, aside from the democrats, are SPENDING and JOBS, Perry, based on his performance seems to have the best handle on that.
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Bachmann is done, she just doesn't know it yet.
It was bad enough that she confused John Wayne, the American icon with John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer.
But now, Haz posted in another thread that today, on the anniversary of Elvis's death, she wished him a happy birthday. She did this in South Carolina.
http://www.wcnc.com/news/politics/Bachmann-mistakenly-wishes-Elvis-a-happy-birthday-127881778.html
These type of mistakes indicate that she is either dumber than dirt, or she picks lousy advisers.
Neither one is a trait we want in a President.
In fact, I would say that picking bad advisers is a bigger sin than being stupid herself.